It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate

I would like to respond to the letter 'Recent letter offered no examples of Darwinian disingenuousness,' . He responds to an article with, 'He says evolution is 'so riddled with holes,' yet fails to provide a ... Full Story
KAB

Oxford, NC

#110942 Feb 23, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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The bible and koran have zero supporting evidence.
Now you've moved into the realm of openly stupid. The Bible contains references to Assyrian King Sargon. Compare them with archaeological finds, and you'll see how quickly the Bible moves out of the zero evidence column.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

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#110943 Feb 23, 2013
KAB wrote:
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I have considered every submission you have provided, and so far the first item on each list has always proven laughably easily demonstrably false (e.g., Pi=3) leaving no motivation or rationale for going any further down the list. If you can't sanity check pre-screen your submissions to make the residual worthy of consideration, I'm not going to do it for you.

I have considered every submission you have provided, and so far the first item on each list has always proven laughably easily demonstrably false (e.g. Watchtowerism is not insane) leaving no motivation or rationale for going any further down the list. If you can't sanity check pre-screen your submissions to make the residual worthy of consideration, I'm not going to do it for you.

In other words, no data, no dice.
KAB

Oxford, NC

#110944 Feb 23, 2013
Thomas Robertson wrote:
Marksman, show me where my math is wrong:
C = pi d
C = 300
d = 100
300 = 100 pi
Therefore, pi = 3
If you were good with math you would readily recognize that 3 is Pi rounded to one significant digit.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

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#110945 Feb 23, 2013
KAB wrote:
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For which assertion do you want data first?

You have no data. Assertions is is all you ever have.

“I am Sisyphus”

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#110946 Feb 23, 2013
KAB wrote:
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The statement in question is not an instruction for forming a wash basin. It is a passing reference to the size of the finished basin. There isn't even a hint of using Pi=3 to form something. If there was, I would be all over it like KAB on the Quran 4:11,12.

You better go back and read both again.

The bibles failure to correctly define pi is a major gaff.

But it is easy to rationalize the minor error in the koran.

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Contra...

Level 5

Since: Apr 12

Taizhou, China

#110947 Feb 23, 2013
KAB wrote:
Now you've moved into the realm of openly stupid. The Bible contains references to Assyrian King Sargon. Compare them with archaeological finds, and you'll see how quickly the Bible moves out of the zero evidence column.
Weren't Billy Mays, Ed McMahon, Farrah Fawcett, Patrick Swayze, Walter Cronkite, Dom DeLuise, Edward Kennedy, Natasha Richardson, Bea Arthur, David Carradine, DJ AM, Steve McNair, and Michael Jackson actual people?

You can see them all on Season 13 Episode 8 of South Park.

So South Park must also be true.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

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#110948 Feb 23, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Of course I do. They're documented in a demonstrated reliable source, and no physical data has confirmed these things cannot be so.

No, not one of the sources of a flood are from a "demonstrated reliable source". The best accounts of the flood (probably and actual localized event) are in records that predate (and disagree with) the bible.

The physical data show that no global flood ever occurred. EVER.

If you can produce some DATA of this flood I will reconsider my statement. Till then the evidence stands. No global flood.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

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#110949 Feb 23, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Tangled!!!? I wondered what had become of you, and now I see you're back and posing as Dr. D., but the trademark mindlessly repeated list is a dead giveaway.

Sorry, I am not TB but I do miss his more active presence here. I may have learned to repeat data that others are unable to respond to from him. It is a potent weapon against ignorance.


Dogen wrote:
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That is your assertion. If you would like to try to prove them I will sit here and be amused.
Dogen wrote:
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I will not provide the data. You need to learn to do your own homework and own thinking. It is the only path to freedom.
I notice you could not provide even one germ of data against my post.
Typical of you.
Dogen wrote:
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Paul was rejected by Jesus' followers. He was the first Christian heretic (who John(?) labels 'false prophet'. All followers who acknowledge Paul are, by definition, heretics.
There are many religions not well received by society. Muslims, Jews, ATHEISTS, SDAs, Christian Scientists, Mormans,.....
As to the JW cult you guys DO get a few things right:
- denial of the Trinity
- denial of deity of Christ
- denial of physical resurrection.
You do down hill fast from there, however.
Things you get wrong are legion:
- Mistranslations of many words including YHWH
- revisionist history (including JW history)
- false prophecies
- what happens after death (more the inconsistency than the dogma)
- 144,000.... enough said.
- Whole nonsense about immortal vs. everlasting life (yes, I have read the nonsense, it is guano crazy).
- New World Translation (again enough said).
many, many, many more.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#110950 Feb 23, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Now you've moved into the realm of openly stupid. The Bible contains references to Assyrian King Sargon. Compare them with archaeological finds, and you'll see how quickly the Bible moves out of the zero evidence column.

This is very poor logic.

You like to make a bang sound like a real gun, but all you got are blanks.

The Koran documents event that were unknown to outside history as well till modern archeology verified the claims.

Does that make the Koran evidence based?

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Santorini Greece

#110951 Feb 23, 2013
Benjamin Franklin: "Lighthouses are more useful than churches,"

Thomas Jefferson: "Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man."

Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and even St. Paulů.never met Jesus.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#110952 Feb 23, 2013
KAB wrote:
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If you were good with math you would readily recognize that 3 is Pi rounded to one significant digit.

That is not the issue. 3.0 is 100 times less accurate than what school children use in math class. In physics the term is often limited to 3.141592654 (depending on the number of significant digits of the next less accurate term).

In most building projects 3.14159 would be fine. 3.0 is the formula for mud brick huts.
KAB

Oxford, NC

#110953 Feb 23, 2013
MAAT wrote:
Il'd say KAB whatever works for you.
Given Mayim or waters.
So the understanding of the waters being divided into those below and those above with an expanse between them is recognized as valid, and denial of that has been dowsed. There is hope for a successful combining of you and objective comprehensive data-based data-driven thinking after all. Hopefully, you saw where objectively examining the "waters" thesis was going to lead and that is wasn't going to negate the validity of the above.
KAB

Oxford, NC

#110954 Feb 23, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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You have no data. Assertions is is all you ever have.
Stated like a head doctor who is truly in fear of the data he knows he will receive if he opens the door. If that's not so, you will open the door.
KAB

Oxford, NC

#110955 Feb 23, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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You better go back and read both again.
The bibles failure to correctly define pi is a major gaff.
But it is easy to rationalize the minor error in the koran.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Contra...
None of your referenced material explains/resolves Surah 4:11,12. Beyond that, at least it is acknowledged as something in need of explanation.
KAB

Oxford, NC

#110956 Feb 23, 2013
Thomas Robertson wrote:
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Weren't Billy Mays, Ed McMahon, Farrah Fawcett, Patrick Swayze, Walter Cronkite, Dom DeLuise, Edward Kennedy, Natasha Richardson, Bea Arthur, David Carradine, DJ AM, Steve McNair, and Michael Jackson actual people?
You can see them all on Season 13 Episode 8 of South Park.
So South Park must also be true.
I see you failed to discern the issue.
KAB

Oxford, NC

#110957 Feb 23, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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No, not one of the sources of a flood are from a "demonstrated reliable source". The best accounts of the flood (probably and actual localized event) are in records that predate (and disagree with) the bible.
The physical data show that no global flood ever occurred. EVER.
If you can produce some DATA of this flood I will reconsider my statement. Till then the evidence stands. No global flood.
How significant would you consider it if the lacustrine sediments from Meteor Crater in Arizona dated to around 4500 years ago?
KAB

Oxford, NC

#110958 Feb 23, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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Sorry, I am not TB but I do miss his more active presence here. I may have learned to repeat data that others are unable to respond to from him. It is a potent weapon against ignorance.
Dogen wrote:
<quoted text>
That is your assertion. If you would like to try to prove them I will sit here and be amused.
Dogen wrote:
<quoted text>
I will not provide the data. You need to learn to do your own homework and own thinking. It is the only path to freedom.
I notice you could not provide even one germ of data against my post.
Typical of you.
Dogen wrote:
<quoted text>
Paul was rejected by Jesus' followers. He was the first Christian heretic (who John(?) labels 'false prophet'. All followers who acknowledge Paul are, by definition, heretics.
There are many religions not well received by society. Muslims, Jews, ATHEISTS, SDAs, Christian Scientists, Mormans,.....
As to the JW cult you guys DO get a few things right:
- denial of the Trinity
- denial of deity of Christ
- denial of physical resurrection.
You do down hill fast from there, however.
Things you get wrong are legion:
- Mistranslations of many words including YHWH
- revisionist history (including JW history)
- false prophecies
- what happens after death (more the inconsistency than the dogma)
- 144,000.... enough said.
- Whole nonsense about immortal vs. everlasting life (yes, I have read the nonsense, it is guano crazy).
- New World Translation (again enough said).
many, many, many more.
Or it bespeaks ignorance, which is more likely since it is entirely devoid of data, and anybody can compile a list of assertions.
KAB

Oxford, NC

#110959 Feb 23, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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This is very poor logic.
You like to make a bang sound like a real gun, but all you got are blanks.
The Koran documents event that were unknown to outside history as well till modern archeology verified the claims.
Does that make the Koran evidence based?
The logic is nothing more than establishing that the Bible is correct about something as the Quran likely is also. It was not offered to prove that the entire Bible is evidence based.
KAB

Oxford, NC

#110960 Feb 23, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
Benjamin Franklin: "Lighthouses are more useful than churches,"
Thomas Jefferson: "Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man."
Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and even St. Paulů.never met Jesus.
I agree with Franklin and Jefferson regarding churches and "Christianity" as they knew them.

I'm very interested in the proof that Matthew never met Jesus.
KAB

Oxford, NC

#110961 Feb 23, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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That is not the issue. 3.0 is 100 times less accurate than what school children use in math class. In physics the term is often limited to 3.141592654 (depending on the number of significant digits of the next less accurate term).
In most building projects 3.14159 would be fine. 3.0 is the formula for mud brick huts.
Thanks for reinforcing the point that Pi=3 was not used to make the wash basin, and yet the basin was made. Actually, I doubt they even used Pi in any form to make the basin. I used to make perfect circles for playing marbles on the playground without knowing anything about Pi. If someone had asked me how big around my circle was, I can easily imagine taking the string I used to swing the arc, laying it loosely around the perimeter, and declaring it to be 3 times the diameter.

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