It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate

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I would like to respond to the letter 'Recent letter offered no examples of Darwinian disingenuousness,' . He responds to an article with, 'He says evolution is 'so riddled with holes,' yet fails to provide a ...

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Feb 21, 2013
 
KittenKoder wrote:
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So you read Ken Hamm's garbage and recite it, should have guessed.
I have never read a word by Ken Ham. Now care to address the question you just dodged. Can you have biological human from non-human evolution without chemical evolution?

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Feb 21, 2013
 
I Google searched "evolution" and got:

evolution of dance
evolution of smooth
evolution of Batman
evolution of bathing suits
evolution of batteries
evolution of rivers
evolution of dance songs
evolution of computers

According to marksman, we will have to investigate all of these topics, because they all have the word "evolution" in the title.

No telling what you can come up with if you change definitions of a word in the middle of a syllogism:

Only some dogs have floppy ears.
My dog has floppy ears.
Therefore, my dog is some dog!

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marksman11 wrote:
<quoted text>I have never read a word by Ken Ham. Now care to address the question you just dodged. Can you have biological human from non-human evolution without chemical evolution?
Atoms don't evolve because atoms don't reproduce on their own, they don't reproduce at all, they are altered in structure through other forces, forces that would destroy life if it was to come close enough to alter the atoms. So your red herring is stupid, it's pointless, and has nothing to do with biology ...

... and Ken Ham made up the "chemical evolution" garbage.

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Cloud cover: Gen. 1:6,7
Wow. That's a stretch.
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No revision on the great lights location. Still 4th day. Probably always will be. The significance is not in the time location of the activity. It's in the possible meaning of the word rendered "made".
Since the word "made" can mean almost anything when you use the KAB Flexible Dictionary. Now available in Hebrew, Greek and Semitic.
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I take it as you could only find one thing on the whole page to dispute.
That is clearly a point for me.
I have no use for someone so blinded by his emotional bias that he makes such a patently nonsense statement. No one disciplined by objectivity would commit such an error. Bias may manage to include some truth but works against that objective. Objectivity, on the other hand, drives truth as a matter of course. I always look for signs of objectivity, or lack thereof, in a source.

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Feb 21, 2013
 
marksman11 wrote:
<quoted text>One question. In order to have biological evolution, do you have to have chemical evolution?
One precedes the other, yes. They are still two distinct fields of study.

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marksman11 wrote:
<quoted text>I showed you the how!!! The designer of all life breathed the breath of life into man and he became a living life.
That has never been observed. By your criteria, it means nothing. Besides, you weren't there.
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Dogen wrote:
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Also false, you use the dictionary to try to limit the meaning of words to what you want them to mean. You even quotemine the dictionary. You also avoid field specific meanings like the proverbial plague.
An assertion easily proven incorrect if you can provide confirming data for even one error.
Give it a crack.
Indeed your assertiion is easily proven incorrect. Here's proof,

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/TFA...

Who's seeking to restrict what here vs sticking to established, accepted, "official" definition?
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Feb 21, 2013
 
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The text does not say anything about cloud cover.
This is called Rationalization. It is a favorite defense mechanism of fundies and fundie cultists.
Gen. 1:6,7. You're free to rationalize otherwise.

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You're entitled to your opinion, and that puts you on the opposite side from those who hold the opposite opinion. You, of course, have the opportunity to provide data confirming your side, which would simultaneously nullify the contention of the other side and thereby eliminate it. Then you would be correct. I don't, however, suppose you are going to provide such data, so you will remain relegated to the side, notwithstanding that being anathema to you.
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Feb 21, 2013
 
marksman11 wrote:
<quoted text>One question. In order to have biological evolution, do you have to have chemical evolution?
One question. In order to have biological evolution, do you have to have matter? Can't explain matter? Can't explain ANYTHING! Therefore, science is bullshit, therefore God did it. QED.

Your "argument" is stupid. You are stupid.
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Dogen wrote:
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I now assume you are joking.
Characteristically wrong again. Bob asks if you've tried therapy to modify this socially undesirable behavior, Doc?

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marksman11 wrote:
<quoted text>Knowing the truth often makes one biased towards it.
You already admitted you don't KNOW, you merely believe it on faith. That's not knowledge. Knowledge is a subset of belief, which has evidence to back it up.

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KAB wrote:
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Deut. 31:9. Your turn.
Have KAB! Have you caught on yet to the fact that no one gives a rats ass about your bible references?
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God's existence is the core of your religion. Your religion is founded upon that which is confirmed. At the very least, your religion must posit that God exists. If that's the foundation of your religion, then it surely must have been confirmed. Is it only the most important and impressive bits that haven't been confirmed?
Interesting, but understandable, that you take it upon yourself to define the core of MY religion (1 Timothy 2:4-7). What ever happened to freedom of religion?
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Interesting, but understandable, that you take it upon yourself to define the core of MY religion (1 Timothy 2:4-7). What ever happened to freedom of religion?
You have a right to believe in whatever stupid religion you want. You do NOT have the right to force the rest of us into joining you in your bronze age goat herder FAIRY TALE delusions.

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marksman11 wrote:
<quoted text>I have never read a word by Ken Ham. Now care to address the question you just dodged. Can you have biological human from non-human evolution without chemical evolution?

No. You can't.

What delusions do you have about chemical evolution?

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KittenKoder wrote:
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Atoms don't evolve because atoms don't reproduce on their own, they don't reproduce at all, they are altered in structure through other forces, forces that would destroy life if it was to come close enough to alter the atoms. So your red herring is stupid, it's pointless, and has nothing to do with biology ...
... and Ken Ham made up the "chemical evolution" garbage.

"Chemical Evolution" is an acceptable term and is used in science. Hamms version is a straw-man version of it.

http://centerforchemicalevolution.com/learn

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I have no use for someone so blinded by his emotional bias that he makes such a patently nonsense statement. No one disciplined by objectivity would commit such an error. Bias may manage to include some truth but works against that objective. Objectivity, on the other hand, drives truth as a matter of course. I always look for signs of objectivity, or lack thereof, in a source.

So you are saying that you never talk to yourself.

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You are, of course, free to think whatever you want. Your disdain for documentation is unfortunate. I will continue seeking to resolve matters by analysis/scrutiny of all available data, including documentation.
MOST people are free to think whatever they want. Data? Documentation?
Let me know when your cult lets you read some. It obviously doesn't let you post any.

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