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It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate

There are 152221 comments on the Asheville Citizen-Times story from Mar 15, 2009, titled It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate. In it, Asheville Citizen-Times reports that:

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““You must not lose faith ”

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#110697 Feb 21, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Gen. 1:6,7. You're free to rationalize otherwise.
I still wonder what version of the translations you use i.o.w. what bible.
I left the hebrew i for i once got the silly complaint that no hebrew source was present. Even though you will only see numbers.
In case the interlineair could no be accessed from this forum:
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e·mim
the·waters
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u·iei
and·he-shall-become
(The following is the translations as you will find in most christian bibles.)
. And God said, Let there
be a firmament in the midst
of the waters, and let it
divide the waters from the
waters.

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(The following is the translation as you will find in most christian bibles.)
And God made the
firmament, and divided the
waters which [were] under
the firmament from the
waters which [were] above
the firmament: and it was
so.

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I love it when the program dictates the computer to end like in hebrew and the end of the word, so your beginning.
But DOGEN IS RIGHT, no cloudcover.
And it's obvious spheres of godly infuence are meant.

““You must not lose faith ”

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#110698 Feb 21, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Being dataless, your out-of-left-field input will be ignored. Provide confirming data and you will get my interest.
If you see 404 you don't go yelling data less, but kindly state the link can not be accessed. Or you google for it.
Simply write online hebrew interlinear bible
But i also gave you BDB.
And i did mention the 10,000 page plus version of the commented translation of every hebrew word.
verb asah-accomplished, use here however 'making'.
So more then enough sourced data. And on biblos which is accessable you can compare any and all versions.
It's just you that have the wrong kind of it.
Ot rather your lazyness.

““You must not lose faith ”

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#110699 Feb 21, 2013
Dogen wrote:
<quoted text>
Not true. I love his bible references. They are amusingly inappropriate for the context.
It annoys the hell out of me...i'm not one for book burning, but hey they burned jews because of their insistence on the stupid translations.
MIDutch

Sterling Heights, MI

#110700 Feb 21, 2013
KAB wrote:
<quoted text>
Being dataless, your out-of-left-field input will be ignored. Provide confirming data and you will get my interest.
As if your interest is worth anything.

““You must not lose faith ”

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#110701 Feb 21, 2013
Dogen wrote:
<quoted text>
This just goes back to Sumerian beliefs about the origin of the sky (why is the sky blue?) and the origin of rain.
I say Gen 1:8 is about god playing with a yo-yo. You're free to rationalize otherwise.
So then christianity mus have suffered a Chinese invasion. Yin and Yang devided to form the earth and the sky.
KAB

United States

#110702 Feb 21, 2013
MAAT wrote:
Strongs translate every use the same and used mainly arab to understand hebrew.
Especially since this verb is particular to hebrew and not further attested.
So he's out.(same goes for elef always meaning thousand)
Brown Driver Briggs is the better source.
http://biblesuite.com/bdb/6213.htm
So is it your understanding that "make" only applies to creating (i.e., forming) a material object?
KAB

United States

#110703 Feb 21, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
An open mind is a good thing, so long as your mind is not so open any old garbage can be tossed in. Your's is way too open, and now the garbage fills your mind not allowing reality in. I feel sorry for you.
As long as it's you feeling sorry for me, I'm totally at ease with that.

“I Am No One Else”

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Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#110704 Feb 21, 2013
Dogen wrote:
<quoted text>
"Chemical Evolution" is an acceptable term and is used in science. Hamms version is a straw-man version of it.
http://centerforchemicalevolution.com/learn
I was talking about Hamm's version. It's virtually impossible to even consider that the creationists actually know what it really means.
KAB

United States

#110705 Feb 21, 2013
MikeF wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow. That's a stretch.
<quoted text>
Since the word "made" can mean almost anything when you use the KAB Flexible Dictionary. Now available in Hebrew, Greek and Semitic.
Give us your understanding of Gen. 1:6,7.
Also, use any commonly accepted dictionary you want to show us all that "made" cannot mean what I understand it to mean.
KAB

United States

#110706 Feb 21, 2013
MikeF wrote:
<quoted text>
Have KAB! Have you caught on yet to the fact that no one gives a rats ass about your bible references?
If/when that proves to be true I'm out of here.
KAB

United States

#110707 Feb 21, 2013
MIDutch wrote:
<quoted text>
You have a right to believe in whatever stupid religion you want. You do NOT have the right to force the rest of us into joining you in your bronze age goat herder FAIRY TALE delusions.
Why are you feeling forced?
KAB

United States

#110708 Feb 21, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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MOST people are free to think whatever they want. Data? Documentation?
Let me know when your cult lets you read some. It obviously doesn't let you post any.
In an attempt to help you get a grip on reality, here's a sample data posting,

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/TFA...

“I Am No One Else”

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Since: Apr 12

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#110709 Feb 21, 2013
KAB wrote:
<quoted text>
Give us your understanding of Gen. 1:6,7.
Also, use any commonly accepted dictionary you want to show us all that "made" cannot mean what I understand it to mean.
“When he shall die,
Take him and cut him out in little stars,
And he will make the face of heaven so fine
That all the world will be in love with night
And pay no worship to the garish sun.”
&#8213; William Shakespeare, Romeo and Juliet

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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#110710 Feb 21, 2013
KAB wrote:
<quoted text>
Give us your understanding of Gen. 1:6,7.
It think it little more than flowery prose.
KAB wrote:
Also, use any commonly accepted dictionary you want to show us all that "made" cannot mean what I understand it to mean.
Genesis 1:
16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good."

I don't need to resort to a dictionary. If the god of the bible wanted to say it differently, he would have. It says what it says.
KAB

United States

#110711 Feb 21, 2013
Dogen wrote:
<quoted text>
You are the one seeking to restrict.
An honest person would have quoted
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_science
since we are having a discussion about science.
If I had referred to "data science" I would have used the definition for "data science", but since my reference was to "data", I, surprisingly, used the definition for "data". At least I'm starting to appreciate why you found that restrictive since you would prefer to apply the definition for "data science" to the word "data". Let me know when you get agreement from the keepers and protectors of the dictionaries on that.
KAB

United States

#110712 Feb 21, 2013
Dogen wrote:
<quoted text>
This just goes back to Sumerian beliefs about the origin of the sky (why is the sky blue?) and the origin of rain.
I say Gen 1:8 is about god playing with a yo-yo. You're free to rationalize otherwise.
No need. You've sufficiently outed yourself.
KAB

United States

#110713 Feb 21, 2013
Dogen wrote:
<quoted text>
Therapy is ineffective against psychotic disorders without adjunct psychotropic meds.
You're the doctor, and you're probably right. If you don't take your meds, the therapy probably won't work.

““You must not lose faith ”

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#110714 Feb 21, 2013
KAB wrote:
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So is it your understanding that "make" only applies to creating (i.e., forming) a material object?
asah accomplish, a setting, attributing/founding to by division.
And i explained that hebrew is a language in motion.
Create as in finished thing does not feature.
And i explaied that the jewish calendar does indeed start with the world being made but actually at least one year before. So it's a reordering, redividing. Also that it is arbitrarily choosen since from reading the tanakh it is simply impossible to conclude anything about the actual date.
But we also discussed that the grammar used in genesis implies nothingmore but a day of 24 hours, and this is because the intent was to establish six working days and one resting day. So placed first to make believers clear what the proper behaviour is. But not a creation account as such. At most a creation account of priestly intent. That keeps in step with the second set of commandments genesis 34. On holidays, food etc.
And reading it in the proper hebrew way, you are even hard pressed to find all the days. Where it not for the numbering.

The calendar and what went on before. I did not go to deep into that, because i feel it is upto people to read up if they are interested.

We went over this word meaning with Tangled Bank.

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#110715 Feb 21, 2013
But KAB if you think yotting down gen. 1:6,7
constitutes data, then no matter what we post(and you must admit that we've posted so much more then you of this kind of data and even linked and sourced it), you will always misunderstand data and the scientific method.

“I am Sisyphus”

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#110716 Feb 21, 2013
MAAT wrote:
<quoted text>
If you see 404 you don't go yelling data less, but kindly state the link can not be accessed. Or you google for it.
Simply write online hebrew interlinear bible
But i also gave you BDB.
And i did mention the 10,000 page plus version of the commented translation of every hebrew word.
verb asah-accomplished, use here however 'making'.
So more then enough sourced data. And on biblos which is accessable you can compare any and all versions.
It's just you that have the wrong kind of it.
Ot rather your lazyness.

biblical Hebrew only has about 8,000 words to begin with. Most later words are from compounding classic words, european words (and other imports), and slang.

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