It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate

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I would like to respond to the letter 'Recent letter offered no examples of Darwinian disingenuousness,' . He responds to an article with, 'He says evolution is 'so riddled with holes,' yet fails to provide a ...
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Feb 19, 2013
 
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JWs are committed to adhering to the Bible's standards, principles, and requirements. I don't know of even one they dismiss. Please don't start grabbing things out of context to claim otherwise. That could waste a lot of time and effort.

Need I remind you of what JW survivors say about the JW cult? The mind control, the pseudo logic, the ever changing history, the rationalizations, OH THE RATIONALIZATIONS....

And at one time they believe it all. Yet they were able to break free. Maybe, someday, you can too.
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So you're going to the pull the no-true-Scotsman ploy?
Ernst Haekel is embarrassing to Evolutionists.
Will you allow us to say that he wasn't a true Evolutionist?
You can say whatever you want about Ernstie. I don't know him or what he thought then or now. Nor do I care. Many people change (1 Corinthians 6:9-11). I'm interested in what available data teaches us.
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I would remind you that the glaring errors of Genesis have been belabored innumerable times, but clearly you have far more invested in defending faith than in objective reasoning. Your "reality" is not a physical reality and Genesis is not in harmony with anything but church hymnals.
Invoking the church hymnal references betrays how juvenile your approach to this matter is.
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According to Israeli archaeologists Ze'ev Herzog and Israel Finkelstein, middle eastern archaeologists have found evidence of smaller groups passing through both before and after the supposed time, but nothing whatsoever of the 'Exodus' group.
You can use/google their names to look up the information
I offer the following, not as proof of anything, but as food for thought and something to help keep the scales balanced,

http://individual.utoronto.ca/mfkolarcik/jesu...
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“The long term goal of Christians in politics should be to gain exclusive control over the franchise.  Those who refuse to submit publicly to the eternal sanctions of God by submitting to his Church’s public marks of the covenant-baptism and holy communion-must be denied citizenship, just as they were in ancient Israel.” Gary North
Did you notice his confirming Bible citations (i.e., None)?
BTW, does he wear sheep suits?

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You can say whatever you want about Ernstie. I don't know him or what he thought then or now. Nor do I care. Many people change (1 Corinthians 6:9-11). I'm interested in what available data teaches us.

Available data teaches us about evolution.

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Invoking the church hymnal references betrays how juvenile your approach to this matter is.

As opposed to your faith based incredulity. Yes, that is much more mature.
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Traces of a 150-mile-long train of people walking in circles in a desert that's only 150 miles across.
For forty years.
Nothing?
Apparently nothing we've found yet. That's why I was asking about precedents instead of just making forays into incredulity.

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I offer the following, not as proof of anything, but as food for thought and something to help keep the scales balanced,
http://individual.utoronto.ca/mfkolarcik/jesu...

Opinionated but interesting.

"All modern critical scholars recognize that the Bible is a human composition (although this does not exclude the possibility that it is also inspired). Its purpose is primarily theological, not historical.(History cannot deal with miracles, for example.) And it is tendentious; it exaggerates to make a point. It often speaks metaphorically when it appears to a modern mind to be speaking factually. And, of course, given the fact that it is a human document, it can also be inaccurate. "

Not any data, but still not a bad read. The author was biased enough that his biases are very obvious. His bias is not hidden. I prefer that to someone who pretends to be objective but is, in reality, very biased.

No KAB, I am not pointing a finger at you. Your biases are also very obvious (to everyone except yourself, that is).
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You are failing to understand. Things that are copied, are copied. They are not updated to modernize the dialects.
I suppose the KJV and New Jerusalem Bibles would be a prime example confirming what you assert. I know what you mean about literal copying, but there's no reason to assume that is all that was done.
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"The Bible, the so-called ‘Word of God’ is a book edited in the 17th. Century, from the 16th. Century translations of 8,000 contradictory copies of 4th. Century scrolls that claim to be copies of lost letters written in the 1st Century”
That's a good glimpse into why, in general, the oldest manuscripts should be used in trying to resolve issues.
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Yes it does KAB
Not without confirming data.
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He was not Egyptian. He was raised Egyptian.
You might want to read the bible sometime.
That's my point. Why have an Egyptian raised leader over Israel? As a made-up story, why have Israel be in Egypt at all?

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Not without confirming data.
It doesn't depend on your having confirming data...it is the truth.
I gave you names, you can follow up if you wish...or not.

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Did you notice his confirming Bible citations (i.e., None)?
BTW, does he wear sheep suits?
His Wikipedia entry brands him as a 'Christian' and an 'economist.

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I sat that's like missing a great opportunity, the strange world of as i recall a friend of Blatavsky involved, but also Terry Prattchet joking around with it.
Any famous author who writes supernatural mythology can one day be considered a prophet by the delusional people seeking something without wanting to do the actual work to find it. Hubbard was merely the most recent we have known. My guess is that Lovecraft will be the next one, an unwilling one, but next up for the newest delusion we call religion. Which is sad because his works are classic, Shakespeare but without the romance.
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Alright, if humans didn't evolve from another species, then how did humans come into being? Note, I asked how, "god dun it" isn't how, that's who.
Genesis 1

26 Then God said,“Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”


27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.


28 God blessed them and said to them,“Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it.

Genesis 2
7 Then the Lord God formed a man[c] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

18 The Lord God said,“It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”

19 Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds in the sky and all the wild animals.

But for Adam[f] no suitable helper was found. 21 So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs[g] and then closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib[h] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.

23 The man said,

“This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called ‘woman,’
for she was taken out of man.”

So to answer your question, GOD formed man from the ground and breathed into him the breath of life and he became a living soul, and he made woman from mans rib. That is the "how" you requested. It was a supernatural event in which life came from a previous life and satisfied the Law of Biogenesis.
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It's obvious you've never read anything outside of your mind-set or world-view.
Heck I read things from your dumb world view. I just finished "Evolution vs creation" by eugenie scott. I bet you haven't. Don't waste your time. It's BS.
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That's already been settled. The science has backed it up. We did evolve from the great ape line.
Wanna bet that your claim has never been observed true? Bet you there is no experiment where you can replicate your claim? In short, your claim is your fantasy, not emperical science. Heck, for the 20tenth time, I bet you can't even tell me what evolved to make a non-human.....human? Come on, it's been three years in here....BE THE FIRST!!!!!
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List of arguments for creationists to avoid--and arguments to never use--by the Answers in Genesis people
http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-answers/t...
Here's you a list evolutionists should always avoid.

1...the origin of life.
2...don't admit that evolution is indeed a part of the origin of life.

3...always say your opponent doesn't grasp science, when they demand you adhere to the sciemtific method.

4...avoid attempts to explain extreme complexity unless your opponent is uneducated about the scientific method. Then befuddle them with fantasies.

5....aviod the athropic principle, if you are atheist.

6....avoid attempting to explain an evolutionary path to the two genders.

7....never attempt to explain what changed or evolved that changed a nonhuman to a human.

8....Never attempt to explain the Cabrian Explosion by citing the millions of years psuedoexplanation. It still doesn't explain these life forms showing up with no previous ancestors.

9....Never use the fossil record as evidence for human from non-human evolution. Fossils show that something once existed, died, and left an image of itself. It does not show heratige.

10...Never claim that all macroevolution is is more and more microevolution over time. Microevolution has been observed and tested. Macro...or human from non-human evolution, has never been observed in the history of the planet.

This is enuff, and more would just be bullying....

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