It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate

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I would like to respond to the letter 'Recent letter offered no examples of Darwinian disingenuousness,' . He responds to an article with, 'He says evolution is 'so riddled with holes,' yet fails to provide a ...

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Feb 19, 2013
 
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<quoted text>Hmm.
Traces of a 150-mile-long train of people walking in circles in a desert that's only 150 miles across.
For forty years.
Nothing?
Early NASCAR?

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"The Bible, the so-called ‘Word of God’ is a book edited in the 17th. Century, from the 16th. Century translations of 8,000 contradictory copies of 4th. Century scrolls that claim to be copies of lost letters written in the 1st Century”

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Ops....The first 2 words should be 'The KJV Bible'
Sorry.

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Feb 19, 2013
 
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Okay, that got a chuckle out of me.
Glad to oblige.

:-D

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MikeF wrote:
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Early NASCAR?
Hmm.

I'd be a bit more interested in NASCAR if they laid out the track in a figure-8.
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Dogen wrote:
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Your assertion.
Actually the Egyptians recorded bad things but they spun them (like the Republicans and Democrats do), so they did not sound so bad. Tutankhamun's victory at Kadesh is one example (victory?). So it is a matter of understanding Egyptian psychology and how they recorded things. Major events were addressed. They just spun things like you do. So a story about Hebrews being thrown out of Egypt for trouble making would be good evidence. But there is not even any recording of Hebrews even having been in Egypt in any numbers during this time period (Ramses II).
Why would the Hebrews have an "Egyptian" leader, Moses, as recorded in their own history?
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It's "Smoke 'em if you got 'em".
Sheesh.
So it is.
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Feb 19, 2013
 
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Archaeology - independent of Egyptian records - does not support Exodus.
Nor does archaeology refute Exodus.
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MikeF wrote:
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Genesis has the order wrong. Wiggle all you want. That is fact.
Do you think there should not have been light before the plants?

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Nor does archaeology refute Exodus.
Yes it does KAB

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MikeF wrote:
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Genesis has the order wrong. Wiggle all you want. That is fact.
Mike I don't know if you know it or not, but the JW's generally believe in the Day-Age theory (a day could be millions of years. or a hundred).
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Dogen wrote:
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You seem logic impaired.
The bible is the source of the information used.
100% of the bible was written before 200 years ago.
Someone commenting on the bible 200 years ago (or less) would have 100% of the information someone today has.
Unless you can provide data that contradicts this.
As to research and beliefs about the bible, these have changed a lot. The fundamental movement (and all the cults it spawned from about 1850 to 1920) developed their own (unsupported) ideas about the bible (e.g. literalism, word of god,....). Historic research has been going the opposite direction and has shown that literalism was never intended and much of the bible is metaphor, traditions, and teaching stories. Fundamentalism insists (without data) that the professed authors of books are their actual authors (often without supporting evidence IN THE BOOK!). Actual research shows that most of the books of the bible were written well after the time of their alleged authors.
Religious books are often cited by other religious books and even secular writings. If you can date the newer work then you know the work being cited is older. There are no citations of the Pentateuch till over 500 years after Moses allegedly lived.
Which Bible was the source of the info 200 years ago? Was it an English Bible, the Alexandrine/Sinaitic/Vatican manuscripts, supplemented by the Dead Sea Scrolls, and/or thousands of other finds discovered over the last 200 years, and all of which are not identical in content? What exactly was he using to study and draw his conclusions?

BTW, you don't accept supporting evidence IN THE BOOK, do you?

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Why would the Hebrews have an "Egyptian" leader, Moses, as recorded in their own history?

He was not Egyptian. He was raised Egyptian.

You might want to read the bible sometime.
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Dogen wrote:
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Your kidding, right.
You think there are no bronze age finds from that region. Seriously?
Please provide proof of lack of data from this area and time.
If I knew the answer, I wouldn't have asked the question.

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Nor does archaeology refute Exodus.

At some point absence of evidence does become evidence of absence.

See Michelson–Morley.

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Do you think there should not have been light before the plants?

That is not what he said.

1. earth (& heavens)
2. light
3. dome & firmament
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lights in the sky (a lot of stars, 1 moon & a few planets).

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Mike I don't know if you know it or not, but the JW's generally believe in the Day-Age theory (a day could be millions of years. or a hundred).

Yes, in spite of the fact that Genesis 1 explicitly spells out what constitutes a day in that context.

It could not be more obvious, but JW's love to deny obvious reality.
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1. He claims to be a Christian.
The only one qualified to ultimately evaluate that claim is God.
Have you evaluated the JW's comprehensively according to the Bible? They fail miserably based on objective criteria but they are good at rationalization (to themselves, no one else buys this crud).
What makes you think that JW's are Christian?
JWs are committed to adhering to the Bible's standards, principles, and requirements. I don't know of even one they dismiss. Please don't start grabbing things out of context to claim otherwise. That could waste a lot of time and effort.

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Which Bible was the source of the info 200 years ago? Was it an English Bible, the Alexandrine/Sinaitic/Vatican manuscripts, supplemented by the Dead Sea Scrolls, and/or thousands of other finds discovered over the last 200 years, and all of which are not identical in content? What exactly was he using to study and draw his conclusions?
BTW, you don't accept supporting evidence IN THE BOOK, do you?
Do you think that the proliferation of different Bibles and denominations detracts from the believability of the Bible and religion in general??

I do, and I think these are good indications that all of it is false.

Don't you think a real bona fide 'God' would be able to produce a book that no-one would have issues with; a book universally known as 'truth' and indicative of the God that people proclaim Him to be??

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