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It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate

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#110459 Feb 18, 2013
KAB wrote:
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It appears that they both win since one is not out of harmony with the other.

Some people have problems with scientific facts like the age of the universe, the age of the earth, evolution and the fact that science disproves literalism.

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#110460 Feb 18, 2013
KAB wrote:
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The oldest (i.e., closest to original) data from the Bible was not "in play" 100 years ago.

My point. Thank you.
KAB

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#110461 Feb 18, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Using the bible to prove the bible is true is the absolutely weakest argument possible. But then, this is consistent with your methods.
I agree that using a document by itself to validate itself doesn't cut it. That's why I don't do it. My input was not validating the Bible. It was one piece of data related to whether Moses ever wrote anything.
KAB

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#110462 Feb 18, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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Nothing but truth my friend.
If you're satisfied, what do you want from me?
KAB

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#110463 Feb 18, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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You continue to mistake scientific terminology. You might want to look up the word 'hypothesis' as it applies to science or other forms of empirical research.
There is no hypothesis, that I am aware of, that Moses wrote anything. You may feel free to try to prove me wrong. There are 5 known hypotheses that I am aware of. None of them involve Moses being the author.
The fact that the earliest book of that collection dates 500 years (at the earliest) after Moses negates that as a hypothesis. In other words there is no evidence, as would be required, to support a hypothesis.
Certainly, the age of the earliest known copy of an ancient many-copied document is not generally taken as also being the time when the work was originally written.
KAB

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#110464 Feb 18, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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Bad analogy.
A better one would be if I wrote something today and signed Abe Lincoln's name. Actually, since the first book of the Pentateuch was written 500 years after Moses (if he ever actually existed) it is unlikely he wrote it.
Interesting that you didn't explain what was bad about the analogy. That would be called making application of the data.

Meanwhile, as long as it's possible that Moses wrote the Pentateuch, that's sufficient for now.
KAB

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#110465 Feb 18, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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Which refutes your contention.
You forgot to mention that.
Just saying.
Interesting that you didn't explain how the context refutes my application (Bob says he doesn't think you can).
KAB

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#110466 Feb 18, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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I was wondering KAB if you had any data to support the Exodus--other then the Bible?
Archaeology has been unable to support it.
The lack of Egyptian records of the humiliation suffered by them is in keeping with customary ancient Egyptian handling of such matters. For the Exodus to have been the only humiliation purportedly recorded by them would have been suspicious don't you think?
KAB

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#110467 Feb 18, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Only if you consider your assertion of god hiding the sun and the moon in his shorts until after he created plants to be in harmony with the physical data. Otherwise, your argument is just as silly as it has been the last ten times.
With regard to silly arguments, the account specifically states that there was light before there were plants. So yes, your argument is silly.

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#110468 Feb 18, 2013
KAB wrote:
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The lack of Egyptian records of the humiliation suffered by them is in keeping with customary ancient Egyptian handling of such matters. For the Exodus to have been the only humiliation purportedly recorded by them would have been suspicious don't you think?
Do you know of any evidence that the Hebrews did sojourn in Egypt for 400 years or so and grow from about 70 souls to well over a million....probably over 2 million people??

Of course if they didn't spend the time there there would be no Egyptian record either.

Then of course there is the fact that there is no archaeological record for them spending 40 years in the Sinai desert either.

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#110469 Feb 18, 2013
Why Christians (and other religions as well) are totally dangerous in today's world.

There will never be world peace until Gods house and Gods people are given their rightful place of leadership at the top of the world. Pat Robertson

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#110470 Feb 19, 2013
KAB wrote:
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So the data provided thusfar is insufficient to confirm who wrote any of the 3 documents now on the table.
Now you're getting it.... but you disappoint me, a lot. You didn't even Google the Necronomicon, and that's sad. It's not even a real book, but there are some people as insane as you who think Lovecraft was a prophet, the beginnings of a new religion likely, and just like your bible, the Necronomicon will be compiled as a real book eventually and everyone who believes will believe it's written by the Mad Arab.

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#110471 Feb 19, 2013
KAB wrote:
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I agree that using a document by itself to validate itself doesn't cut it. That's why I don't do it. My input was not validating the Bible. It was one piece of data related to whether Moses ever wrote anything.
One piece of bad data. Like the autobiography of Lincoln I am writing.

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#110472 Feb 19, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Certainly, the age of the earliest known copy of an ancient many-copied document is not generally taken as also being the time when the work was originally written.

OMG! LOL. You don't have the 1st CLUE.

The earliest COPY of old testament books are from 250 b.c. Hundreds of years after the originals were written.

If we read a book today that was written in middle English it can be dated to when other similar works were written. We DON'T assume that it was written in Old English first then updated, unless we have evidence for that. This is ONE of the ways old writings are dated.

So the books of the Pentateuch are dated as much as 1,000 years after Moses. They show evidence of dozens of "authors" (editors/redactors). Newer books reference older books but (obviously) not vice-verse. They are written in the writing style and language version of the time. Etc...etc...etc.

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#110473 Feb 19, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Interesting that you didn't explain what was bad about the analogy. That would be called making application of the data.
Meanwhile, as long as it's possible that Moses wrote the Pentateuch, that's sufficient for now.

No, it isn't because Moses would have been DEAD a thousand years before the last book of the Pentateuch was written (ignoring even later revisions).

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#110474 Feb 19, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Interesting that you didn't explain how the context refutes my application (Bob says he doesn't think you can).

Sorry, I forgot you can't read for comprehension.

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#110475 Feb 19, 2013
KAB wrote:
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The lack of Egyptian records of the humiliation suffered by them is in keeping with customary ancient Egyptian handling of such matters. For the Exodus to have been the only humiliation purportedly recorded by them would have been suspicious don't you think?

Your assertion.

Actually the Egyptians recorded bad things but they spun them (like the Republicans and Democrats do), so they did not sound so bad. Tutankhamun's victory at Kadesh is one example (victory?). So it is a matter of understanding Egyptian psychology and how they recorded things. Major events were addressed. They just spun things like you do. So a story about Hebrews being thrown out of Egypt for trouble making would be good evidence. But there is not even any recording of Hebrews even having been in Egypt in any numbers during this time period (Ramses II).


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#110476 Feb 19, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Now you're getting it.... but you disappoint me, a lot. You didn't even Google the Necronomicon, and that's sad. It's not even a real book, but there are some people as insane as you who think Lovecraft was a prophet, the beginnings of a new religion likely, and just like your bible, the Necronomicon will be compiled as a real book eventually and everyone who believes will believe it's written by the Mad Arab.
I sat that's like missing a great opportunity, the strange world of as i recall a friend of Blatavsky involved, but also Terry Prattchet joking around with it.

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#110477 Feb 19, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Here's the data confirming the assertion as correct,
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/TFA...
Why doesn't your side ever provide confirming data like that?
Remember what they use to say in the Navy? Provide 'em if you got 'em.
It's "Smoke 'em if you got 'em".

Sheesh.

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#110478 Feb 19, 2013
KAB wrote:
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The lack of Egyptian records of the humiliation suffered by them is in keeping with customary ancient Egyptian handling of such matters. For the Exodus to have been the only humiliation purportedly recorded by them would have been suspicious don't you think?
Archaeology - independent of Egyptian records - does not support Exodus.

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