It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate

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I would like to respond to the letter 'Recent letter offered no examples of Darwinian disingenuousness,' . He responds to an article with, 'He says evolution is 'so riddled with holes,' yet fails to provide a ...

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Feb 14, 2013
 
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If your daughter's mother-in-law took her action without understanding the info she was provided, she may have acted unwisely, depending on her objective.
I agree regarding the incredulity. One should be able to use the available data to justify one's conclusion.

She understood the information fully.

It is odd that you reject incredulity when it is the defining characteristic of your posts.

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I considered the full range of data along with the explanation of methodology, and objectively realized that the correct answer could scientifically legitimately be 4500 years. How did you decide the correct answer is 10,000?

I read the research. You just picked the one that serves your confirmation bias. That is not logical.

Did you understand the methodologies used to supply those dates.

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I am very familiar with the practice, and use it routinely in my own work. It means "this may not be correct, but it's what we think now".

That is cynical at best and does not capture the actual meaning.

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KAB wrote:
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Those are summary statements. What is the span or possible span according to the actual data?

It does not matter. If there were 200 data points and 199 were 50,000 years or more and one stated 4,000 years you would pick the 4,000 years every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

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I don't change subjects until they are either resolved or can be taken no further.

Continue to rub your nose in it is what it shall be then!

Did you take all the dates as equal or did you pick the one you liked?
Did you note the different methodology for the dates or did you just pick the one you liked?
Did you consider scientifically valid methods of combining the data (as the researchers actually did)?
Why is one number better that what is found in aggregate?


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<quoted text>Then please explain the processes in which consciousness evolved! THank you.

There are models for this. I will not quote them since I don't really agree with them. It is certainly an open issue.

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<quoted text>Then please explain the processes in which consciousness evolved! THank you.
What is the definition of "consciousness" that you're using? Self-awareness?
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She understood the information fully.
It is odd that you reject incredulity when it is the defining characteristic of your posts.
If she understood the info fully, why did she make a presumably poor decision?

Regarding incredulity, please flag the next one of my posts which espouses the position "I just don't believe that could be".
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I read the research. You just picked the one that serves your confirmation bias. That is not logical.
Did you understand the methodologies used to supply those dates.
Yes
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That is cynical at best and does not capture the actual meaning.
Then give us the actual meaning.
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It does not matter. If there were 200 data points and 199 were 50,000 years or more and one stated 4,000 years you would pick the 4,000 years every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Not without additional corroborating data.
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Continue to rub your nose in it is what it shall be then!
Did you take all the dates as equal or did you pick the one you liked?
Did you note the different methodology for the dates or did you just pick the one you liked?
Did you consider scientifically valid methods of combining the data (as the researchers actually did)?
Why is one number better that what is found in aggregate?
My position is not that any one number is better than the others, and did you note that no number was 4500?.

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If she understood the info fully, why did she make a presumably poor decision?

For the same reason you do. Cognitive bias.
KAB wrote:
<quoted text> Regarding incredulity, please flag the next one of my posts which espouses the position "I just don't believe that could be".

You are incredulous about your incredulity! Now THAT if funny!

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Yes

I am glad you are aware of your bias in this case.

Since your choice does not conform to the previously mention scientific method but DOES conform to an a priori religious bias, don't you think you should rethink?

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Not without additional corroborating data.

This is a lie. The corroborating data all gave higher values and you have implicitly chosen the only one that conforms to your cult indoctrination.

The best answer of 10,000 years is a close approximation to the average with some weighting toward the more reliable measures.

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It does not matter. If there were 200 data points and 199 were 50,000 years or more and one stated 4,000 years you would pick the 4,000 years every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

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My position is not that any one number is better than the others, and did you note that no number was 4500?.

Certainly. You went with number that was easiest to rationalize into your world view.

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New evidence for Human evolution (released today, Feb 14th):

Humans and chimps share genetic strategy in battle against pathogens
February 14th, 2013 in Biology / Biotechnology

A genome-wide analysis searching for evidence of long-lived balancing selection—where the evolutionary process acts not to select the single best adaptation but to maintain genetic variation in a population—has uncovered at least six regions of the genome where humans and chimpanzees share the same combination of genetic variants.

The finding, to be published Feb. 14 in the journal Science, suggests that in these regions, human genetic variation dates back to a common ancestor with chimpanzees millions of years ago, before the species split. It also highlights the importance of the dynamic co-evolution of human hosts and their pathogens in maintaining genetic variation.

<<more at link below>>

http://phys.org/news/2013-02-humans-chimps-ge...
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Feb 14, 2013
 
marksman11 wrote:
<quoted text>Then please explain the processes in which consciousness evolved! THank you.
Even without a scientific explanation, "God did it" doesn't win by default. That's an argument from ignorance.

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Feb 14, 2013
 
KAB, that was an excellent quote mine.

I don't know which one I like better,
this one or the one which marksman11 made from Eugenie Scott's book.

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Feb 14, 2013
 
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Not without confirming data. You can state anything you want, but can you confirm it as true?
Good grief. Now you're being deliberately obtuse.

We have their buildings, their artwork, their sculpture, their writing.

Here, I'll let the British Museum introduce you:

http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/cultures...

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