It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the ...

It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate

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“I am Sisyphus”

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#110104 Feb 11, 2013
MAAT wrote:
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Now what would you go and do that for...praying for me.
So i can spirit the bomb away?
I'm part of a panentheistic henotheistic theory.
That keeps good pace with evolution and does not oppose it.
And that never stated creation but in seperation first filled the Mayim(water)ether and earth in order to state some big words.
A time when words were magic, and writing too.
The concept of ONE born. Unity every minute.:p
And naming is existing and knowing and owning.
Adam filled up names and devided, so humans created concepts.
The god can't exist without us existing and vice versa, therefore we all are and constantly become. So a Word can't trap us.
See heraclitus.
My only problem is the indoctrination others had, so i can't even get the most basic concept accross, for people were not raised to think like that.
It might be education, for i'm describing how the Old ones thought.

Many Christians think that Logos is a Christian concept or at least one left over from the Jewish predecessors. Heraclitus proves that conception to be incorrect.

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#110105 Feb 11, 2013
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http://www.spaceandmotion.com/ philosophy-metaphysics-heracli tus.htm
heraclitus
http://web.engr.oregonstate.edu/~funkk/Person...
Concerning The Logos
How the concept changed.
Plato: a rationale
As in a reason why one formulates.
Lego:word
Isaiah 55 v. John's Word.
or Matthew having god quote psalms to god

Ah, I should have read ahead one post and I would have seen you already covered Logos.

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#110106 Feb 11, 2013
http://www.spaceandmotion.com/philosophy-meta...
Had to type it in, only noticed the omission now.

I often have to repeat the existence of Heraclitus, so found a good site and basicly gather all material that is relevant to the philosophy of judaism.

Everone is familiar with the expression: you can't cross the same river twice.

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#110107 Feb 11, 2013
philo popularised but was declared anathema by the church-fathers as a jewish and greek influence.
Therefore the very late insertions in John and Matthew.
As i recall in the 8th and 9th century CE arabs and jews studied the greek philosophers, but mainly Aristotle, in the east. That must have found it's way back.
Scotus did not produce more than: the esse of the esse is the esse for it is the essence.
Maybe it even took till Averroes (Ibn Rushd) came on the scene.

The next plilosopher was Aristotle? i have to read that link, i tend to forget. Consider it fraud, though it goes to show that words as material rhetorical instrument gained more importance.
So not the magic shamanic word but empire building.
Athena becoming a democracy?
450 BC roman law put in writing.

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#110108 Feb 11, 2013
http://books.google.nl/books...

I'm always a bit carefull in simply accepting christianity and judaism thrown together as far as developments go.
Though this development of pneuma might coincide with ideas of logos.
It could also be a grammatical progression.
Old Greek is/was quite simplistic in structure, as is church-latin.
Just add on.
You could argue that all concepts in christianity were developed by the greek stoics.
But hebrew is a flowing language, everything is in motion, so solidification does not really fit.

I'm by the way rather curious as to what theological concept the pope developed to reconcile relations with the jews.
KAB

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#110109 Feb 12, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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Every DNA test, whether paternity or genome documentation, it's chemical reactions. What methods of deciphering genomes don't rely entirely on chemistry? Please, tell us of this non-chemical reaction method.
I have not stated that "reading" DNA does not involve chemical processes.
KAB

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#110110 Feb 12, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Where, in either the OT or NT, do you find the word "god"?
You could start with Genesis 1:1.
KAB

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#110111 Feb 12, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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Ok. Lets say 10%. That means each independently has a 90% chance of being right, and 10% of being wrong.
What are the odds that all 29 are wrong? Easy.
1/10 to the power of 29.
That is how independently corroborating lines of evidence are calculated for a meta-analysis.
You have just called attention to the fact that there is
0.0000000000000000000000000000 01% chance that the evidence for macroevolution, taken in its entirety, is wrong.
Thanks for playing.
You didn't address substantiating the 29 evidences. Maybe it's only 5.
KAB

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#110112 Feb 12, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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Of course. KAB didn't really want an equivalent word or phrase - he just wanted somebody to play 'go fetch data' with. It's all he does and all he's got.
You got that right! All that takes place here is a waste of time without data to answer questions and resolve conflicts. Without data, I'm outa here.
KAB

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#110113 Feb 12, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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That is only one data point. It would have to be consistent world-wide. Which it is not.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/443...
How many such meteor craters are there worldwide?
KAB

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#110114 Feb 12, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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And take note of the property of equivalence.
I have not stated that the Bible does not document a global flood.
KAB

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#110115 Feb 12, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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No. As we already established the Bible has leeway in "interpretation".
In some places/matters that is true. Each point must be individually considered on its own merits. The well-worn notion that "the Bible is open to interpretation", taken to mean that everything in the Bible can legitimately be interpretted multiple ways, is patently incorrect.

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#110116 Feb 12, 2013
KAB wrote:
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You could start with Genesis 1:1.

1 In the beginning Elohim created hashomayim (the heavens, Himel) and haaretz (the earth).

Humm.... no mention of "God" there.

Try another verse?

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#110118 Feb 12, 2013
KAB wrote:
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You got that right! All that takes place here is a waste of time without data to answer questions and resolve conflicts. Without data, I'm outa here.

Good bye.

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#110119 Feb 12, 2013
KAB wrote:
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I have not stated that the Bible does not document a global flood.

Of course. You never state anything. No matter how many negatives you use.
KAB

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#110120 Feb 12, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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1 In the beginning Elohim created hashomayim (the heavens, Himel) and haaretz (the earth).
Humm.... no mention of "God" there.
Try another verse?
Elohim is the anglicized rendering of the Hebrew word for god.

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#110121 Feb 12, 2013
KAB wrote:
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You could start with Genesis 1:1.
You have to take the question literal.
Elohim but not god.
Codes Argenteus, gothic 6th century, seems to have been the first source: Gudan.
(christine M.)
Composed of:
GU-intertwined (as in the actual old meaning of good, fitting it's environment like a weed in a garden.)
DA-god
AN- one, only.
So even that is just a description.
The generic word for god would be like Al or El, DA.
And then we have to wait centuries to get to GAWD, wich resembles the syrian god of chance, enemy of YHWH in the Torah.

Eusebius gives the date of Ignatius's death as AA 2124 (2124 years after Adam), which would amount to the 11th year of Trajan's reign, i.e., A.D. 108.[9]

:)))The oldest source.
So what was that again about floods and bottlenecks occurring later?

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#110122 Feb 12, 2013
wiki etymology DA
usual connotation of /from/ the/yes
the+fem. article
da

Ewe[edit] Nounda

1.bow
2.mother
3.snake

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#110123 Feb 12, 2013
KAB wrote:
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I have not stated that the Bible does not document a global flood.
Shouldn't you have phrased that,
"The Bible is not documentation of a global flood?"

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#110124 Feb 12, 2013
KAB wrote:
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You got that right! All that takes place here is a waste of time without data to answer questions and resolve conflicts. Without data, I'm outa here.
I got it right that you are disinterested in facts and data, that you are only playing a game of step 'n' fetch with other posters?

As much as you amuse me (I'm sure I'm not alone in this) with your fantabulous imagination about the volumes of data you have bestowed upon us and the dismal lack of data provided TO you, I have to admit being reminded of a quote.

"Promises are like crying babies in a theater, they should be carried out at once." -Norman Vincent Peale

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