It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate

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I would like to respond to the letter 'Recent letter offered no examples of Darwinian disingenuousness,' . He responds to an article with, 'He says evolution is 'so riddled with holes,' yet fails to provide a ...

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<quoted text>I challenge you to find a post where I say the bible is emperical truth! I believe it is, but have always qualified it by adding that it is a faith based belief. You if you can answer this challenge, then I guess you just lied. Something your side is doing a lot lately.
My mistake, for which I admit and apologize for. It wouldn't honor myself or my parents to persistently pretend I'm right when I'm wrong... I'm sure you'd AGREE?
It was KAB who said, "...that the Bible has not been convicted of even a single error in spite of claims of tens of thousands of points challenged." Oddly enough, I don't recall that you had any thoughts on that point at the time... I guess you must not have noticed it or you would have had the integrity to say something. In any case, there was a mistaken identity for which I am sorry.

The "mental image that your ganglia are all robed and chanting over sacred relics in a cavernous void" is still contingent on a couple items. Did you say that the biblical Creation, the biblical account of the Great Flood, the parting of the Red Sea, Jonah and the big fish, etc. are mere primitive myths?
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<quoted text>We need good scientists. We DON'T NEED scientists with a liberal agenda to grind like Richard Dawkins, Eugeneie Scott, Franis Crick and his psuedoscientific panspermia. Not all evolutionists are atheist, but almost all atheists are evolutionists. Evolution is the air supply of the atheist. It falsely gives him a validity to adhere to atheism. They combat creationists because they understand that we know that evolution is their air flow, and in challenging Darwinism, are cutting off their air supply. We disprove human from non-human evolution, and atheism returns to the ridiculous and unreasonable philosophy from which it came. If we could just get the liberals out of sciences way, we'd be light years ahead of where we are now!!
LMAO!!! You are the epitome of willful ignorance.

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<quoted text>By definition there is no such thing as historical certainty, but I wouldn't expect a pointless person like yourself to know that. What in the world would a computer simulation be worth? You can simulate apes morphing into humans, it still never happened!!

Humans ARE apes. So there is no need for anything to "morph"

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<quoted text>Well, dummy, that was never the claim. I said that some humans if they decide too, can be better climbers than chimps. THe video proved I was right, and you just lied and made up something I didn't say. I'm not surprised. Liberals have to do that.

Ah,

So evolution = science = liberal.

Good to know.

Do you know any human who would be willing to fight a chimp hand to hand?

For good reason, too.

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<quoted text>What a ridiculous reply. My pointing out that there are liberal scientists with an axe to grind has nothing to do with the dark ages, of couse that never stopped you from making a pointless rely before.

Scientists are both liberal and conservative and they agree on evolution. Only fundies who are also scientists try to make a case for creationism.

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<quoted text>How childish!

Yes, you always are.

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<quoted text>I said "a" human. I didn't say all humans like you infured. You are really coming more and more dishonest and frustrated.<quoted text>Lowell guy says,
"Newton's law of gravity are violated all the time. It's a KNOWN SCIENTIFIC LAW!!!!"

Newton's Law is useful, but it has limits (that is so say it is "violated"). Why not look up the definition of a scientific law so you can speak sensibly about the subject?

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<quoted text>We need good scientists. We DON'T NEED scientists with a liberal agenda to grind like Richard Dawkins, Eugeneie Scott, Franis Crick and his psuedoscientific panspermia. Not all evolutionists are atheist, but almost all atheists are evolutionists. Evolution is the air supply of the atheist. It falsely gives him a validity to adhere to atheism. They combat creationists because they understand that we know that evolution is their air flow, and in challenging Darwinism, are cutting off their air supply. We disprove human from non-human evolution, and atheism returns to the ridiculous and unreasonable philosophy from which it came. If we could just get the liberals out of sciences way, we'd be light years ahead of where we are now!!

Generally poor argumentation. What would atheists be if not "evolutionists"? The other choices are religious beliefs that live in denial of modern science.

Science is neither liberal nor conservative. Pseudoscience, however, is mostly a conservative agenda.

Since religion has been left at the doorstep of science it has never progressed faster. At no time in history has science been progressing as fast as it is now, and the pace of scientific discovery is ever accelerating.

Creationists, IDers, Flat-earthers, geocentricics, etc, are all living in the past.

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<quoted text>I don't care.
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<quoted text>How childish!
Impressive.

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<quoted text>I said "a" human. I didn't say all humans like you infured. You are really coming more and more dishonest and frustrated.
I've never been dishonest and I'm far from frustrated. I think you're somewhat funny. Sort of like watching a dog chase it's tail.
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"Newton's law of gravity are violated all the time. It's a KNOWN SCIENTIFIC LAW!!!!"
Yes. We've already caught on the the fact that you are to freakin stupid to grasp the neuance of the statement.

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Newton's Law is useful, but it has limits (that is so say it is "violated"). Why not look up the definition of a scientific law so you can speak sensibly about the subject?
Hey.

Ptolemy worked - sorta, and you had to squint a lot.

Copernicus fixed a lot of that, and worked a great deal better

Then Newton tidied up a lot of the loose ends.

Einstein got most of the rest - there are still quantum effects needing a bit of work.

This is called "learning new sh!t". A phenomenon conspicuous in fundamentalism only by its utter absence.
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My mistake, for which I admit and apologize for. It wouldn't honor myself or my parents to persistently pretend I'm right when I'm wrong... I'm sure you'd AGREE?
It was KAB who said, "...that the Bible has not been convicted of even a single error in spite of claims of tens of thousands of points challenged." Oddly enough, I don't recall that you had any thoughts on that point at the time... I guess you must not have noticed it or you would have had the integrity to say something. In any case, there was a mistaken identity for which I am sorry.
Absolutely no problem. I'm sure I've done the same thing.
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The "mental image that your ganglia are all robed and chanting over sacred relics in a cavernous void" is still contingent on a couple items. Did you say that the biblical Creation, the biblical account of the Great Flood, the parting of the Red Sea, Jonah and the big fish, etc. are mere primitive myths?
Some I have addressed, some I have not. I think that GOD can cause each one to occur in the literal should he want to. Are some literal, some alagory? I don't know. Sometimes I think supernatural events can have a double fulfillment and are prophetic in nature. Like Jonah and the great fish. I think the point is it is referencing the coming resurrection of Jesus. So was Jonah actually swallowed or is it a parable? I don't know, but either way, the point is the same.
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<quoted text>LMAO!!! You are the epitome of willful ignorance.
In your dreams!
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I've never been dishonest and I'm far from frustrated. I think you're somewhat funny. Sort of like watching a dog chase it's tail.
So when I make the statement that a human can climb as good as a chimp if they want to, and supplied a video of those who have chosen to become excellent climbers proving my point, then you somehow falsely accuse me of saying a humans can climb better than chimps, and you know the point I was making, and you were wrong. You were one of two things. Either you were dishonest, or incorrect, and sadly you don't have the character to admit one or the other.

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<quoted text>Absolutely no problem. I'm sure I've done the same thing.<quoted text>Some I have addressed, some I have not. I think that GOD can cause each one to occur in the literal should he want to. Are some literal, some alagory? I don't know. Sometimes I think supernatural events can have a double fulfillment and are prophetic in nature. Like Jonah and the great fish. I think the point is it is referencing the coming resurrection of Jesus. So was Jonah actually swallowed or is it a parable? I don't know, but either way, the point is the same.

Then why did Jesus Fail the test of the prophet Jonah?

"An evil and adulterous generation craves for a [b]sign; and yet no [c]sign will be given to it but the [d]sign of Jonah the prophet; 40 for just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the sea monster, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. "

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...

So lets see.....

Friday night
Saturday Day
Okay, that's one day and one night.

Saturday Night.....

Um.....

Looks like it was 1 day and 2 nights. Not exactly Jonah's sign.

Maybe Jesus rose around supper time on Monday.

Even if you accept that Jesus was crucified on Thursday (as many contend) he still comes up a day short.
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Wow, I agree with marky. This is good news. The bill was tabled in Montana, and once a bill is tabled they tend to die. And a similar bill has died in Colorado.

The anti-science bills are going to fail, even in the conservative states. Great news!

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<quoted text>Of course I disagree that we are superior because we have evolved to be superior. I think we are superior because we were created to over see all these life forms. THere is scripture to support that. Also, I disagree that chimps are better climbers. If a human sets out to do something like climbing, then without evolving, they can do it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
My point was, yes, we are better at the things you listed.

However, "superior" in the evolutionary sense is about fitness and adaptability, and really only time will tell. Big brains, fast accurate flight, good climbing, sharp teeth are all just means to an end, and the test is survival.

The fossil record it littered with relics that became the best at something, for a time, but specialisation has its costs. In our case, it may be the ability to destroy ourselves through all the wonderful weapons this brain has been able to dream up. Lets hope not. Still, questions of future human survival are meaningless to you, because you think you know the answer to that already.

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<quoted text>These rabid scientists like Eugeneie Scott! If she isn't biased, why spend you life battling something you are not biased against? Why does Richard Dawkins even bring up GOD? Why does Bill Maher fill the world with his hate for christians? Why would a physics professor say that stars died for you, not Jesus? Why all these things protecting a philosophy if they are not biased?
Dawkins was merrily writing his books on evolution for 20 years before he became militant. I think he has gone overboard, but he has given his reasons.

1. Minor reason - getting sick of creationists deliberately quote mining and distorting his own words and the words of other evolutionists. As an academic, this is a red flag to a bull. Academic argue and disagree with great passion, but they do not deliberately twist their opponents words, which is rightly seen as low and despicable behavior. But still he said little, until

2. 911. This travesty of indoctrinated, insane thinking converted into disgusting action has led many previous fence sitters to take a more active stance against religion and religious indoctrination. If you think the criticism should have been restricted to Islam specifically, you are missing the point.

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