It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the ...

It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate

There are 151414 comments on the Asheville Citizen-Times story from Mar 15, 2009, titled It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate. In it, Asheville Citizen-Times reports that:

I would like to respond to the letter 'Recent letter offered no examples of Darwinian disingenuousness,' . He responds to an article with, 'He says evolution is 'so riddled with holes,' yet fails to provide a ...

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“Dinosaurs survived the flood!”

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Since: Jan 11

Jesus probably rode dinosaurs!

#108312 Jan 21, 2013
KAB wrote:
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Here's a reminder of the claim you're not making,
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/TFA...
(i.e., The Bible is an unreliable source)
What I provide is rebuttal data for your purported Bible error data. I can't very well rebut what you don't provide.
You have become so engrossed in your pitch for snake lubricant that you seem to have forgotten that you have priority with an ongoing claim of the infallibility of the Bible. Mine has merely been in a rebuttal in continuance to your long standing claim. Your post is just more chicanery in an end run attempt to put the onus of doing your work onto others.

So, either put your data supporting the proven reliability of the Bible on the table or SHUT THE F*#K UP. None of this bass ackwards interpretation in leu of data either.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#108313 Jan 21, 2013
marksman11 wrote:
<quoted text>You falsely seem to think that the more they learn about biology, and seeking information on how life originated, the closer they are to replicating it. The more they study it, the more complexity that hits them head on, and the impossibility of ever replicating it.

Actually, the race to replicate life is just that, a race. It is already a question of when much more than if. It is a finite problem. All of life is made of matter so the solution is coming. Science can already do so many thing with life that would have been thought nearly impossible 10 or 20 years ago.

Of course you have your back-up rationalization ready to go when the news breaks.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#108314 Jan 21, 2013
marksman11 wrote:
<quoted text>I see you continue to be dishonest and deceptive. Please don't attempt try to make me into something like you. IT AIN"T HAPPENING.

I just keep knocking your delusions out of the park.

Have you ever read a single science book? You have never answered this. I wonder why.

“Dinosaurs survived the flood!”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

Jesus probably rode dinosaurs!

#108315 Jan 21, 2013
KAB wrote:
<quoted text>
Here's a reminder of the claim you're not making,
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/TFA...
(i.e., The Bible is an unreliable source)
What I provide is rebuttal data for your purported Bible error data. I can't very well rebut what you don't provide.
Are you saying that you have forgotten the priority of your ongoing claim that the Bible is a proven reliable source. Or is this just more of your chicanery to make an end run around doing your own work.

Mine is just a rebuttal in continuance of your ongoing claim. Now either supply some data to support you claim or STFU!

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#108316 Jan 21, 2013
KAB wrote:
<quoted text>
Here are two quotes from the piece,
"Analyses of this individual's DNA showed that the Tianyuan human shared a common origin with the ancestors of many present-day Asians and Native Americans. In addition, the researchers found that the proportion of Neanderthal and Denisovan-DNA in this early modern human is not higher than in people living in this region nowadays."
"This individual lived during an important evolutionary transition when early modern humans, who shared certain features with earlier forms such as Neanderthals, were replacing Neanderthals and Denisovans, who later became extinct"
What's wrong with this picture? CLUE: What does their own data reportedly actually show in spite of their summary comment?
I suppose you're referring to the fact that the percentage of Neanderthal DNA is less in the current local population than that shown in the sample collected?

Would you expect Neanderthal DNA to be GREATER in the present population than that preserved in 40,000 year-old remains?

“Dinosaurs survived the flood!”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

Jesus probably rode dinosaurs!

#108317 Jan 21, 2013
Sorry for the multiple posts. I am having technical difficulties.

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#108318 Jan 21, 2013
KAB wrote:
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So your criterion is that if enough people sign on then it's not speculation? I choose a more data-oriented approach. I can think of nothing about the relevant data which warrants adopting an understanding of related portions of documentation which puts them in unnecessary conflict with each other based on nothing more than the fact that the passages use different terminology. It's the kind of work I expect from someone looking for a reason to declare something erroneous. Is it possible that the involved experts could be looking for such?
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No, because if that were the case...your side would win hands down.

In this case, I am citing experts in the field of Biblical studies. It is the vast majority of experts...those who have taken a very careful look at the evidence...who have decided that the Bible is the result of many different authors. Even the "works of Moses", the Pentateuch, have been determined to have at least 5 different groups of priests write it over several centuries.

You, otoh, merely declare that they are "speculating" and ignore the evidence they are basing their conclusions on.
KAB

Wilson, NC

#108319 Jan 21, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>You have become so engrossed in your pitch for snake lubricant that you seem to have forgotten that you have priority with an ongoing claim of the infallibility of the Bible. Mine has merely been in a rebuttal in continuance to your long standing claim. Your post is just more chicanery in an end run attempt to put the onus of doing your work onto others.
So, either put your data supporting the proven reliability of the Bible on the table or SHUT THE F*#K UP. None of this bass ackwards interpretation in leu of data either.
How can the reliability of a source be established to your satisfaction?

Lililth_Satans_B ore
Level 2

Since: May 12

Bellevue, WA

#108320 Jan 21, 2013
KAB wrote:
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How can the reliability of a source be established to your satisfaction?
That's the problem... the bible is a myth... so move on
KAB

Wilson, NC

#108321 Jan 21, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>Are you saying that you have forgotten the priority of your ongoing claim that the Bible is a proven reliable source. Or is this just more of your chicanery to make an end run around doing your own work.
Mine is just a rebuttal in continuance of your ongoing claim. Now either supply some data to support you claim or STFU!
So you now admit, with the evidence in full view of everyone of course, that you actually did make a claim, and then stated that you didn't, right?

“Al Qur'an is Revolution ”

Since: Oct 12

Islam is Future

#108322 Jan 21, 2013
darwinism are lacks the facts so far

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#108323 Jan 21, 2013
KAB wrote:
<quoted text>
How can the reliability of a source be established to your satisfaction?
Find one that produces the same results no matter who tests it. That would be a start.
KAB

Wilson, NC

#108324 Jan 21, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
I suppose you're referring to the fact that the percentage of Neanderthal DNA is less in the current local population than that shown in the sample collected?
Would you expect Neanderthal DNA to be GREATER in the present population than that preserved in 40,000 year-old remains?
Houston, we have confirmation, bias that is. Your comprehension exudes your bias. Read the quotes again carefully, and if possible, objectively (what'd be the chances of that happening?).

Meanwhile, my answer to your question is no.

“Dinosaurs survived the flood!”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

Jesus probably rode dinosaurs!

#108325 Jan 21, 2013
KAB wrote:
<quoted text>
How can the reliability of a source be established to your satisfaction?
Give it a whirl and I will let you know.
KAB

Wilson, NC

#108326 Jan 21, 2013
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
<quoted text>a
No, because if that were the case...your side would win hands down.
In this case, I am citing experts in the field of Biblical studies. It is the vast majority of experts...those who have taken a very careful look at the evidence...who have decided that the Bible is the result of many different authors. Even the "works of Moses", the Pentateuch, have been determined to have at least 5 different groups of priests write it over several centuries.
You, otoh, merely declare that they are "speculating" and ignore the evidence they are basing their conclusions on.
You are absolutely correct. The experts have decided, not proven, that the contributions ostensibly of Moses were actually the work of at least 5 different "groups" of priests over several centuries. The data confirming that conclusion as correct was not presented.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#108327 Jan 21, 2013
KAB wrote:
<quoted text>
Houston, we have confirmation, bias that is. Your comprehension exudes your bias. Read the quotes again carefully, and if possible, objectively (what'd be the chances of that happening?).
Meanwhile, my answer to your question is no.
Alright. Spell it out, what is YOUR take -- after reading one article, where you -- as a person untrained in anthropological research found that apparently the researchers themselves that actually are TRAINED in anthropology, and did the work overlooked?

“Dinosaurs survived the flood!”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

Jesus probably rode dinosaurs!

#108328 Jan 21, 2013
KAB wrote:
<quoted text>
So you now admit, with the evidence in full view of everyone of course, that you actually did make a claim, and then stated that you didn't, right?
No, I don't admit that. My statemtnes are in response to your continuing claim that the Bible is infallible. A belief you offer nothing in the way of support. If my wording was poor, then that is on me, but it doesn't change my position.

You however, appear to be in the mood for fencing and knit picking. Pursuits that will no doubt end without the requisite data to support you claims.

Are you next going to claim that you did not say the Bible is infallible, but in fact a proven reliable source? Thus avoiding my refute of your claim based on my synonomizing your claim.

You have spent a great deal of time on here failing to show that a global flood occurred or that it even could occur. I suppose with that failure stinging in your mind you have moved on to your current dataless sword fight.
KAB

Wilson, NC

#108329 Jan 21, 2013
Lililth_Satans_Bore wrote:
<quoted text>That's the problem... the bible is a myth... so move on
How can the reliability of ANY source be established to your satisfaction?
KAB

Wilson, NC

#108330 Jan 21, 2013
Islamic Scientist wrote:
darwinism are lacks the facts so far
It's good to see that SOMEONE is paying attention!

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#108331 Jan 21, 2013
KAB wrote:
<quoted text>
How can the reliability of ANY source be established to your satisfaction?
Independant replication, for one.

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