It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the ...

It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate

There are 154611 comments on the Asheville Citizen-Times story from Mar 15, 2009, titled It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate. In it, Asheville Citizen-Times reports that:

I would like to respond to the letter 'Recent letter offered no examples of Darwinian disingenuousness,' . He responds to an article with, 'He says evolution is 'so riddled with holes,' yet fails to provide a ...

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“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#105407 Dec 28, 2012
KAB wrote:
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It's your side that keeps going on about the flood. I am just responding to challenges and inquiries, yours for example. Why do you keep going on about this?
I accept the other flood, the world wide one which has not been debunked even after considerable concerted effort. Did you lose that one in one way or another while formulating your inquiry? No matter, when overly hasty, one can lose either way.
Sorry.

A world-wide flood as described in Genesis HAS been thoroughly debunked. Perhaps not to the satisfaction of you, or other irrational persons, but debunked nevertheless.

The multiple lines of evidence that such a flood never existed are too many to ignore. Among them:

Lack of geological evidence for such a flood.
Continuity of cultures world-wide during that era.
Genetic evidence (no bottleneck for every species on the planet)

....and possibly quite a few others.

The fact that you cling to this quaint -- but mythical - tale above all the evidence to the contrary speaks volumes about your thought process as it pertains to science.
KAB

Wilson, NC

#105408 Dec 28, 2012
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Then we both agree that God is not testable. Good stuff, that was all that was needed.
No, we don't agree (James 1:13; Malachi 3:10).
KAB

Wilson, NC

#105409 Dec 28, 2012
The Dude wrote:
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No, nobody has.(shrug)
Here's a sample for you and everyone else who may have missed them,

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/TFA...
KAB

Wilson, NC

#105410 Dec 28, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, we know the bible was written to have an excuse for every inconsistency in your religious notions, that's why it contradicts itself on everything. That's how scams work.
I'm waiting for your first specific contradiction confirming data example and not expecting to ever see one.
KAB

Wilson, NC

#105411 Dec 28, 2012
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
Conclusion? You "just accept" the statement (that you have made) that has no references, no data, no publication and no toehold in reality.
Just provide the best example you know from the tens of thousands of purported Bible errors, and let's see if my statement is just a statement. Have you noticed how I always ask for data, and your side seldom provides any, and your side occasionally asks for data, and I always provide what I can find? That tells you a lot right there.
KAB

Wilson, NC

#105412 Dec 28, 2012
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Okay, let's experiment.
You pray properly (you know how, right?) for you deity to fix all the nerve, muscle and bone damage in my left arm.
That's all.
I'll let you know if it works - trust me, I'll let the whole world know if the friggin' thing works.
It's apparent from your posts that you're not acting in harmony with Jehovah's will. That being the case, he has no immediate interest in your left arm.
KAB

Wilson, NC

#105413 Dec 28, 2012
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry.
A world-wide flood as described in Genesis HAS been thoroughly debunked. Perhaps not to the satisfaction of you, or other irrational persons, but debunked nevertheless.
The multiple lines of evidence that such a flood never existed are too many to ignore. Among them:
Lack of geological evidence for such a flood.
Continuity of cultures world-wide during that era.
Genetic evidence (no bottleneck for every species on the planet)
....and possibly quite a few others.
The fact that you cling to this quaint -- but mythical - tale above all the evidence to the contrary speaks volumes about your thought process as it pertains to science.
Please notice that you consistently provide no confirming data. You just keep stating that it's there. If you believe that, fine. You're entitled to your religion in spite of the data. That's the way it is with virtually all religion anyway.

Level 5

Since: Apr 12

Taizhou, China

#105414 Dec 28, 2012
KAB, do you mean that God doesn't want macumazahn's arm to get healed?
What an unloving God!
And God doesn't want macumazahn to witness to the world about the power of prayer?
What an irrational God!

And I thought God was both loving and rational!

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#105415 Dec 28, 2012
KAB wrote:
<quoted text>
Please notice that you consistently provide no confirming data. You just keep stating that it's there. If you believe that, fine. You're entitled to your religion in spite of the data. That's the way it is with virtually all religion anyway.
But we HAVE provided evidence for cultures that were present prior to, during, and after your flood (no 'flood' interruption), and for the fact that there are no genetic bottlenecks for species world-wide.

Then you can go here: http://www.biblicalnonsense.com/chapter6.html

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#105416 Dec 28, 2012
...an argument worthy of KAB:

"No known species of reindeer can fly. However, there are hundreds of thousands, even millions of species of living organisms yet to be classified. While most of these are insects and germs, this does not COMPLETELY rule out flying reindeer which only Santa has ever seen."

I am not the author of the piece above. I saw it on a science-related FB page....and it WAS meant to be facetious in nature.

But it does remind me of KAB's logic.
KAB

Wilson, NC

#105417 Dec 28, 2012
Thomas Robertson wrote:
KAB, do you mean that God doesn't want macumazahn's arm to get healed?
What an unloving God!
And God doesn't want macumazahn to witness to the world about the power of prayer?
What an irrational God!
And I thought God was both loving and rational!
God wants Mac's arm healed (Revelation 21:3,4), but now is not the time (2 Peter 3:8-16).
There are plenty of Jehovah's worshippers witnessing to the world about the power of prayer. It seems he doesn't get much that's really helpful from others, misinformation, misunderstanding, misrepresentation.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#105418 Dec 28, 2012
KAB wrote:
<quoted text>
Will you be providing confirming data anytime soon, so we can analyze/scrutinize it, or do you want us to just trust you that it's all good and valid? I'm not signing on to the latter.
Oh, you won't even look at it. However, since I like to be accurate, this report admits that intercessory prayer may actually be harmful. It's from "Christianity Today", BTW: http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2009/may/...

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#105419 Dec 28, 2012
KAB wrote:
<quoted text>
God wants Mac's arm healed (Revelation 21:3,4), but now is not the time (2 Peter 3:8-16).
There are plenty of Jehovah's worshippers witnessing to the world about the power of prayer. It seems he doesn't get much that's really helpful from others, misinformation, misunderstanding, misrepresentation.
Hmm.

Q: What's the difference between "He could, but he won't", and "He can't"?

A: Nothin'.
KAB

Wilson, NC

#105420 Dec 28, 2012
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
But we HAVE provided evidence for cultures that were present prior to, during, and after your flood (no 'flood' interruption), and for the fact that there are no genetic bottlenecks for species world-wide.
Then you can go here: http://www.biblicalnonsense.com/chapter6.html
Thanks for the characteristic submission. The author states in the opening paragraph that he is not going to provide any data, and he doesn't. He then proceeds with clearly biased mental meandering with no scripture references analyzed for confirmation, and you accept it. I'm disappointed that you see such presentations as confirming "evidence", when in fact there is none. It does, however, add to the growing body of data demonstrating that no purported Bible error has been confirmed.

If I missed even one valid sample here, please reference the specific and I will consider it. It MUST be data itself, not assertions. Are you really not seeing the forest for the trees here?

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#105421 Dec 28, 2012
Thomas Robertson wrote:
KAB, do you mean that God doesn't want macumazahn's arm to get healed?
What an unloving God!
And God doesn't want macumazahn to witness to the world about the power of prayer?
What an irrational God!
And I thought God was both loving and rational!
That's disappointing. I was hoping to play guitar again.
KAB

Wilson, NC

#105422 Dec 28, 2012
Kong_ wrote:
...an argument worthy of KAB:
"No known species of reindeer can fly. However, there are hundreds of thousands, even millions of species of living organisms yet to be classified. While most of these are insects and germs, this does not COMPLETELY rule out flying reindeer which only Santa has ever seen."
I am not the author of the piece above. I saw it on a science-related FB page....and it WAS meant to be facetious in nature.
But it does remind me of KAB's logic.
Slight but important correction:

The piece you quoted reminds you of what you THINK is my logic. If you really want to expose MY logic, you would have to quote ME. Instead, what you provided is an example of your distorted thinking, of which this forum record is replete with examples.
KAB

Wilson, NC

#105423 Dec 28, 2012
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, you won't even look at it. However, since I like to be accurate, this report admits that intercessory prayer may actually be harmful. It's from "Christianity Today", BTW: http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2009/may/...
I have no beef with the study. The fundamental at work is Biblically improper prayer.

Consider this. Isn't "Christianity" today largely the result of what became of Christianity beginning 2,000 years ago (2 Thesalonians 2:1-12)? What you haven't as yet discerned is that what you rightfully oppose is what you know as "Christianity", and not for the most part, the Bible.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#105424 Dec 28, 2012
.
When the bones of two early humans were found in 1967 near Kibish, Ethiopia, they were thought to be 130,000 years old. A few years ago, researchers found 154,000- to 160,000-year-old human bones at Herto, Ethiopia. Now, a new study of the 1967 fossil site indicates the earliest known members of our species, Homo sapiens, roamed Africa about 195,000 years ago.

"It pushes back the beginning of anatomically modern humans," says geologist Frank Brown, a co-author of the study and dean of the University of Utah's College of Mines and Earth Sciences.

The journal Nature is publishing the study in its Thursday Feb. 17, 2005, issue. Brown conducted the research with geologist and geochronologist Ian McDougall of Australian National University in Canberra, and anthropologist John Fleagle of New York State’s Stony Brook University. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/02/...
LowellGuy

Lowell, MA

#105425 Dec 28, 2012
KAB wrote:
<quoted text>
It's your side that keeps going on about the flood. I am just responding to challenges and inquiries, yours for example. Why do you keep going on about this?
I accept the other flood, the world wide one which has not been debunked even after considerable concerted effort. Did you lose that one in one way or another while formulating your inquiry? No matter, when overly hasty, one can lose either way.
Nobody has debunked alien abductions, either. You believe in those?
LowellGuy

Lowell, MA

#105426 Dec 28, 2012
KAB wrote:
<quoted text>
Any malady can be healed by Jehovah (Matthew 19:26).
Jehovah is a hearer of prayer (Psalm 66:19).
Jehovah responds to requests in harmony with his will which reasonably would include coming from someone acting in harmony with his will (1 John 5:14). Put that combination together with a malady which cannot be spontaneously healed otherwise and see what results.
Is loss of limb a malady?

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