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I would like to respond to the letter 'Recent letter offered no examples of Darwinian disingenuousness,' . He responds to an article with, 'He says evolution is 'so riddled with holes,' yet fails to provide a ... Full Story

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#104048 Dec 10, 2012
KAB wrote:
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Or you are if you have no wiser way to handle the situation.
Well, that was a monumentally stupid comment. This is EXACTLY what I said about your god's failure to come up with a reasonable solution to his problem. Thank you for admitting that I was correct in the first place.
KAB

Oxford, NC

#104049 Dec 10, 2012
Chimney1 wrote:
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OK lets say the Midianites were horribly bad just as they were claimed to be according to the no doubt completely unbiased accounts of the people who slaughtered them for their land tell us in their infallible chronicles....
So bad, in fact, that Israelites soldiers were justified in stabbing or strangling to death their 3 year old boys along with their mothers.
So bad, in fact that all an Israelite soldier had to hear was that Moses had commanded it, on God's orders, for him to carry out this gruesome execution with a clear conscience.
And we thought the Nazis were bad...
No KAB, there is a momentous change between the Jews relating an account of GOD flooding the earth and killing his own Creation, and humans carrying out a similar atrocity in the name of GOD. At that point in time, they were no different from the Nazis and their demands for Liebensraum.
But of course, we have learned from history that those who commit such atrocities always have a good justification for the record books, and the vanquished were always unpardonably evil.
They didn't act in the name of God. They obeyed his direct instruction. They were the "flood" of choice on that occasion. It's unwise to disobey the only true God. BTW, I don't recall that the Nazis ever made such a claim.
KAB

Oxford, NC

#104050 Dec 10, 2012
Chimney1 wrote:
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Then why did God command the Jews not to murder? Wasn't He trying to make a point - that He gave life, and it was His alone to take away? That the only exceptions to that allowed to humans were legal executions of individuals based on guilt for very specific crimes? And do you suppose that every young boy and old woman in a whole tribe could ever be known to be guilty of one of these capital crimes?
Its a joke, and your comments about genocide merely illustrate the depraved moral relativity of those who throw their hearts and brains in the dustbin when they submit to some idiotic scriptural dogma in place of reasoned morality. You are probably a moral man, and could only SAY such a thing to try and reconcile what you know are irreconcilable things. And end up spouting nonsense, like the dogmatic always do.
There is no moral justification possible for the genocidal slaughter of one tribe by another.
Your post reveals a degree of correct understanding of principle. For humans, only killing sanctioned by God is justified. The killing of the Midianites was commanded by God, thus meeting your criterion.
KAB

Oxford, NC

#104051 Dec 10, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Name one single case in which genocide is appropriate.
The Midianites' treatment of the Israelites, knowingly inducing them to commit sexual immorality which they knew to be against their God's will.
KAB

Oxford, NC

#104052 Dec 10, 2012
MikeF wrote:
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Well, that was a monumentally stupid comment. This is EXACTLY what I said about your god's failure to come up with a reasonable solution to his problem. Thank you for admitting that I was correct in the first place.
So what's YOUR solution?

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Since: Mar 12

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#104053 Dec 10, 2012
KAB wrote:
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They didn't act in the name of God. They obeyed his direct instruction. They were the "flood" of choice on that occasion. It's unwise to disobey the only true God. BTW, I don't recall that the Nazis ever made such a claim.
Well then, the Nazis were the "flood of choice" in 1940 then weren't they. Just as innocently mindless as the butchers of the Midianites, all in the cause of God's mysterious ways, right?

You miss another point. Moses claimed God was instructing him. Mohammed made similar claims for his butchery. But the point is, imagine YOU are a Jewish soldier or a committed Nazi or a Maoist and your inspired leader tells you that killing little boys is necessary. Ever seen the sickening footage of Milosovic's men taking 8000 young boys out to be shot? They too believed they were acting for the glory of a greater good.

A man CANNOT commit acts of butchery against young innocents for ANY reason and be acting for the good. I would hope that if you thought GOD himself had commended you to kill an "evil little boy", that you would exercise your God given right to refuse God!

And you would know that I am right, except your brain is befuddled with the same cloudy dogmatism that forces you to try and justify evil acts.

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Since: Mar 12

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#104054 Dec 10, 2012
KAB wrote:
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The Midianites' treatment of the Israelites, knowingly inducing them to commit sexual immorality which they knew to be against their God's will.
1. Yes, all the grandmothers and the little boys were guilty of inducing the Israelites to commit sexual immorality.

2. Yes, when somebody turns you on against your will, its your duty to kill the f*ckers, not to exercise self control. Just ask a Saudi.

3. But strangely, the yummy virgins are held innocent of the charge, because they are to be kept for...

More of your dogmatic dumb thinking.

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Since: Mar 12

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#104055 Dec 10, 2012
KAB wrote:
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So what's YOUR solution?
Errr...some advice for you KAB. When someone tries to "induce you to sexual immorality", try to keep your little fella in your pants. Show some self control. That's what a moral man would do.

Or, you could always round up the playboys and sluts and cut them to pieces, along with their grandmothers and the little boys for good measure. Keep the little girls though. One day they will ripen into a delightful treat for your uncontrollable urges.

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Since: Mar 12

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#104056 Dec 10, 2012
KAB wrote:
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Your post reveals a degree of correct understanding of principle. For humans, only killing sanctioned by God is justified. The killing of the Midianites was commanded by God, thus meeting your criterion.
If it was writ large across the sky and a glowing Angel was beseaching you and God's voice was in your ear saying "kill the rotten little sinner" and you were crying at the immorality "wrought upon you" and your hopelessly undisciplined brothers ....STILL I would say that after committing such an act of child murder, it would be YOU that deserved to have your throat cut.

Stop defending the indefensible.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#104057 Dec 10, 2012
KAB wrote:
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The Midianites' treatment of the Israelites, knowingly inducing them to commit sexual immorality which they knew to be against their God's will.
Well, even though you have no evidence that it actually happened, the fact that you can justify it so easily makes you a very dangerous person, as well as very disgusting. Genocide is what Adolf attempted with the Jewish people, and you did exactly what Adolf did, you rationalized it to suit your own desires.
KAB

Oxford, NC

#104058 Dec 10, 2012
Chimney1 wrote:
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Well then, the Nazis were the "flood of choice" in 1940 then weren't they. Just as innocently mindless as the butchers of the Midianites, all in the cause of God's mysterious ways, right?
You miss another point. Moses claimed God was instructing him. Mohammed made similar claims for his butchery. But the point is, imagine YOU are a Jewish soldier or a committed Nazi or a Maoist and your inspired leader tells you that killing little boys is necessary. Ever seen the sickening footage of Milosovic's men taking 8000 young boys out to be shot? They too believed they were acting for the glory of a greater good.
A man CANNOT commit acts of butchery against young innocents for ANY reason and be acting for the good. I would hope that if you thought GOD himself had commended you to kill an "evil little boy", that you would exercise your God given right to refuse God!
And you would know that I am right, except your brain is befuddled with the same cloudy dogmatism that forces you to try and justify evil acts.
Reread my post carefully to see that your opening statement is erroneous. Perhaps your mind was befuddled when you made it.

I notice you carefully, if not skillfully, avoided declaring that any except the Jews of Moses' day acted directly on God's orders. In fact, you even tried to obscure the case of the Jews. Why is that do you think? You too seem to overlook the resurrection in formulating your reasoning. I note that is another thing you didn't mention. How can you expect to arrive at a proper conclusion without considering all the related factor?

Provide Mohammed's claims (quote him) if you think it was the same as Moses.

Following inspired leaders in contradiction of God's standing instructions is bad policy (Jim Jones, David Koresh, etc.).
LowellGuy

New York, NY

#104059 Dec 10, 2012
Chimney1 wrote:
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If it was writ large across the sky and a glowing Angel was beseaching you and God's voice was in your ear saying "kill the rotten little sinner" and you were crying at the immorality "wrought upon you" and your hopelessly undisciplined brothers ....STILL I would say that after committing such an act of child murder, it would be YOU that deserved to have your throat cut.
Stop defending the indefensible.
How does one determine which killins are sanctioned by God and which are not? How do you know Charles Manson didn't order killings at the behest of God? How do you know the 9/11 terrorists weren't actually carrying out God's orders?
LowellGuy

Brooklyn, NY

#104060 Dec 10, 2012
That was for KAB. Whoops. :)
LowellGuy

Brooklyn, NY

#104061 Dec 10, 2012
KAB wrote:
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My point is that fundamentally disease and earthquakes are not caused by supernatural forces, but on occasion they cab be.
Just another dataless assertion. Either present empirical evidence to support this claim about the natural world or admit that you have nothing to support this claim. The claims in the "reliable because you decided it is" Bible are not evidence. Empirical evidence is the only thing that supports claims about the natural world.
KAB

Oxford, NC

#104062 Dec 10, 2012
Chimney1 wrote:
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1. Yes, all the grandmothers and the little boys were guilty of inducing the Israelites to commit sexual immorality.
2. Yes, when somebody turns you on against your will, its your duty to kill the f*ckers, not to exercise self control. Just ask a Saudi.
3. But strangely, the yummy virgins are held innocent of the charge, because they are to be kept for...
More of your dogmatic dumb thinking.
1. Do you think it possible that the grandmothers were a previous generation of the same?

2. The Israelites who were seduced were also executed. Now you know the rest of the story.

3. Please read the account carefully. There's no mention of yummy virgins!
LowellGuy

Brooklyn, NY

#104063 Dec 10, 2012
KAB wrote:
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Your post reveals a degree of correct understanding of principle. For humans, only killing sanctioned by God is justified. The killing of the Midianites was commanded by God, thus meeting your criterion.
How do you know which killings are sanctioned by God? How do you know Charles Manson didn't command killings at the behest of God? How do you know the 9/11 terrorists weren't following God's orders? How do you know God didn't command the Nazis to kill the Jews, gays, Romanians, and all the other people they killed?
LowellGuy

Brooklyn, NY

#104064 Dec 10, 2012
KAB wrote:
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The Midianites' treatment of the Israelites, knowingly inducing them to commit sexual immorality which they knew to be against their God's will.
So, if some Americans were doing the same thing today, should all Americans, including infants, be slaughtered?
LowellGuy

Brooklyn, NY

#104065 Dec 10, 2012
KAB wrote:
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Your words, not mine.
You said that there is no objective standard to determine reliability, and ultimately it is subjective, and you've decided it's reliable. YOUR WORDS. And, now you're going to ask for a quote, which is a denial that you ever said it. So, say it explicitly: tell me you never said that. Rather than lying in a roundabout way, just do it outright. At least be honest with your dishonesty.
KAB

Oxford, NC

#104066 Dec 10, 2012
Chimney1 wrote:
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Errr...some advice for you KAB. When someone tries to "induce you to sexual immorality", try to keep your little fella in your pants. Show some self control. That's what a moral man would do.
Or, you could always round up the playboys and sluts and cut them to pieces, along with their grandmothers and the little boys for good measure. Keep the little girls though. One day they will ripen into a delightful treat for your uncontrollable urges.
So what's your solution for Yahweh regarding the situation?
KAB

Oxford, NC

#104067 Dec 10, 2012
Chimney1 wrote:
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If it was writ large across the sky and a glowing Angel was beseaching you and God's voice was in your ear saying "kill the rotten little sinner" and you were crying at the immorality "wrought upon you" and your hopelessly undisciplined brothers ....STILL I would say that after committing such an act of child murder, it would be YOU that deserved to have your throat cut.
Stop defending the indefensible.
Even more importantly and wisely, stop defending from a position of ignorance. When you thoroughly understand the situation and its context and adopt an objective stance, then you'll be in a better position to judge it (Prov. 18:13).

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