It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the ...

It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate

There are 141364 comments on the Asheville Citizen-Times story from Mar 15, 2009, titled It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate. In it, Asheville Citizen-Times reports that:

I would like to respond to the letter 'Recent letter offered no examples of Darwinian disingenuousness,' . He responds to an article with, 'He says evolution is 'so riddled with holes,' yet fails to provide a ...

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“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

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#103694 Dec 6, 2012
LowellGuy wrote:
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If "you can't disprove it, then that's good enough" is your standard, where do you stand on Pegasus, unicorns, fairies, elves, goblins, sprites, naiads, ogres, orcs, hobbits, wizards, gorgons, satyrs, krakens, gryphons, leprechauns, sasquatch/yeti, Loch Ness monster, chupacabra, and ghosts?

I personally like Chupacabra, especially when they use Jägermeister instead of Tabasco sauce.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#103695 Dec 6, 2012
Dogen wrote:
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I personally like Chupacabra, especially when they use Jägermeister instead of Tabasco sauce.
Wasn't that the big hairy dude in Star Wars?
LowellGuy

Peabody, MA

#103696 Dec 6, 2012
Evo-Lotion is Rub-ish wrote:
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So have you explored all the places in the sky and under the earth?
No intelligence is complete without a sense of humour: What if God is playing hide and go seek?
:P
So, do you also believe leprechauns are real? What about pixies? Unicorns? Mermaids? Elves? According to your standard, if it hasn't been disproved, you are reasonably justified in believing it exists, right?
Evo-Lotion is Rub-ish

Kingston, Jamaica

#103697 Dec 6, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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The sky ends long before you reach the Moon.
Well actually....no, it doesn't.

The sky is a place above the earth, and since there is always a place above the earth no matter how high above the earth you go; the sky never really ends.

Come to think of it, the earth is in the sky... duh.
Evo-Lotion is Rub-ish

Kingston, Jamaica

#103698 Dec 6, 2012
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>I am pretty sure you are proof that God has a sense of humor. A somewhat sick sense, but one of humor none the less.
I hope this don't jamiaca you mad little boy.
WTF?
attakkdog

London, UK

#103699 Dec 6, 2012
forreal wrote:
<quoted text>Your History only goes as far as the 1840s!LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
MY history only goes back to 1965.
Please explain the '1840's comment...?
Evo-Lotion is Rub-ish

Kingston, Jamaica

#103700 Dec 6, 2012
KAB wrote:
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There is no dispute if you acknowledge that Cain and many others since him have acted against Yahweh's will. In fact, since we all sin, we all commit acts against his will even if unintentionally so. However, that won't keep him from eventually achieving his purpose for a world of only perfectly "behaved" individuals (Rev. 21:3,4).
Look, it would be false of me to say that there is no sin, or that I have no sin.

I AM A SINFUL MOTHER TRUCKER! I WILL GO TO HELL; ONLY JESU(S) CAN SAVE ME.

However it is necessary to question the nature of "sin", and what sin actually is; because the moment you suggest that anything is possible outside the will of God... you are pretty much in trouble.

Sin is... not nice; but I cant say that it is "against" the Will of God.
Evo-Lotion is Rub-ish

Kingston, Jamaica

#103701 Dec 6, 2012
LowellGuy wrote:
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If "you can't disprove it, then that's good enough" is your standard, where do you stand on Pegasus, unicorns, fairies, elves, goblins, sprites, naiads, ogres, orcs, hobbits, wizards, gorgons, satyrs, krakens, gryphons, leprechauns, sasquatch/yeti, Loch Ness monster, chupacabra, and ghosts?
1 – Prove that “natural selection” exists, in an objectively verifiable manner via the scientific method.

2 - What it is exactly and how that was determined in an objective manner via the scientific method.

3 - The mechanisms it used to do whatever it is you think it did, how it used them, when it used them, and how all this was determined in an objective manner via the scientific method.
KAB

United States

#103702 Dec 6, 2012
Dogen wrote:
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Here is a question for you KAB, if you use Pi rounded to one digit, what can you successfully build using that number?
This is just a warm-up. If you get it right I have a more difficult one for you.
Oh non-mathematically saavy Doc, Bob wants to know if you think nothing could be suceessfully built using an approximation for Pi?
KAB

United States

#103703 Dec 6, 2012
Evo-Lotion is Rub-ish wrote:
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Look, it would be false of me to say that there is no sin, or that I have no sin.
I AM A SINFUL MOTHER TRUCKER! I WILL GO TO HELL; ONLY JESU(S) CAN SAVE ME.
However it is necessary to question the nature of "sin", and what sin actually is; because the moment you suggest that anything is possible outside the will of God... you are pretty much in trouble.
Sin is... not nice; but I cant say that it is "against" the Will of God.
Until you can say that sin is against the will of God you will remain stuck in a belief system which is readily demonstrable as being unbiblical (2 Tim. 3:16).

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#103704 Dec 6, 2012
KAB wrote:
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I'm guessing...
Yep. That's pretty much it.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#103705 Dec 6, 2012
KAB wrote:
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Until you can say that sin is against the will of God you will remain stuck in a belief system which is readily demonstrable as being unbiblical (2 Tim. 3:16).
And how do you know that someone's "sins" are something other than your God's will?

I'm guessing your answer will be "I'm guessing." Because that's all you CAN do. You don't know that your God exists, you don't know what your God (if it exists) thinks, and you don't know what that God's will is. A book is just a book.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#103706 Dec 6, 2012
Evo-Lotion is Rub-ish wrote:
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1 – Prove that “natural selection” exists, in an objectively verifiable manner via the scientific method.
2 - What it is exactly and how that was determined in an objective manner via the scientific method.
3 - The mechanisms it used to do whatever it is you think it did, how it used them, when it used them, and how all this was determined in an objective manner via the scientific method.
You didn't answer the question.

If "if you can't disprove it, then that's good enough reason to believe it" is your standard, then do you believe in leprechauns, fairies, pixies, naiads, bigfoot, and other "mythical" beasts?

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#103707 Dec 6, 2012
Evo-Lotion is Rub-ish wrote:
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1 – Prove that “natural selection” exists, in an objectively verifiable manner via the scientific method.
"Natural selection" exists as a concept, a description of phenomena. Concepts exist in the mind. It exists as much as 4 exists. Do you deny 4?
Evo-Lotion is Rub-ish wrote:
2 - What it is exactly and how that was determined in an objective manner via the scientific method.
Since you don't understand the problem with question 1, you don't understand why question 2 is meaningless.
Evo-Lotion is Rub-ish wrote:
3 - The mechanisms it used to do whatever it is you think it did, how it used them, when it used them, and how all this was determined in an objective manner via the scientific method.
Because you don't understand the problem with question 1, you don't understand why question 3 is meaningless.

Your ignorance is not an advantage in this discussion.
KAB

United States

#103708 Dec 6, 2012
LowellGuy wrote:
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And how do you know that someone's "sins" are something other than your God's will?
I'm guessing your answer will be "I'm guessing." Because that's all you CAN do. You don't know that your God exists, you don't know what your God (if it exists) thinks, and you don't know what that God's will is. A book is just a book.
No guessing necessary.
My God is represented by the Bible. The relationship it defines between sin and God's will is clearly discernible.
Some books contain very valuable information.
Evo-Lotion is Rub-ish

Kingston, Jamaica

#103709 Dec 6, 2012
KAB wrote:
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Until you can say that sin is against the will of God you will remain stuck in a belief system which is readily demonstrable as being unbiblical (2 Tim. 3:16).
but if I can act against the will of "God" then how is he God of me?

that God you refer to is a useless as snow ball in hell.
Evo-Lotion is Rub-ish

Kingston, Jamaica

#103710 Dec 6, 2012
LowellGuy wrote:
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"Natural selection" exists as a concept, a description of phenomena. Concepts exist in the mind. It exists as much as 4 exists. Do you deny 4?
<quoted text>
Since you don't understand the problem with question 1, you don't understand why question 2 is meaningless.
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Because you don't understand the problem with question 1, you don't understand why question 3 is meaningless.
Your ignorance is not an advantage in this discussion.
Since its all in your mind; then keep it there!

Dont mess up other people's thought processes with what YOU think is right and real?

F8&^K off with your conceptions; we can form our own!
Evo-Lotion is Rub-ish

Kingston, Jamaica

#103711 Dec 6, 2012
LowellGuy wrote:
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You didn't answer the question.
If "if you can't disprove it, then that's good enough reason to believe it" is your standard, then do you believe in leprechauns, fairies, pixies, naiads, bigfoot, and other "mythical" beasts?
Why should I not suspect they may be real? I have no evidence to the contrary.

Its pure intellectual dishonesty why you dont believe in centaurs and mermaids etc; because you do believe in half fish-half tetrapod and such stuff.
KAB

United States

#103712 Dec 6, 2012
Evo-Lotion is Rub-ish wrote:
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1 – Prove that “natural selection” exists, in an objectively verifiable manner via the scientific method.
2 - What it is exactly and how that was determined in an objective manner via the scientific method.
3 - The mechanisms it used to do whatever it is you think it did, how it used them, when it used them, and how all this was determined in an objective manner via the scientific method.
If there was a population of a moth species having comparable light and dark color variants which existed along with bird species which were natural predators of those moths and in an environment of predominantly light colored surfaces, the proportion of light-to-dark moths would increase. If the environment then changed to predominantly dark colored surfaces the population proportion would reverse. What label would you likely put on the phenomenon which had taken place?

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Since: Mar 07

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#103713 Dec 6, 2012
Evo-Lotion is Rub-ish wrote:
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1 – Prove that “natural selection” exists, in an objectively verifiable manner via the scientific method.
2 - What it is exactly and how that was determined in an objective manner via the scientific method.
3 - The mechanisms it used to do whatever it is you think it did, how it used them, when it used them, and how all this was determined in an objective manner via the scientific method.
Natural selection is life. What survives and breeds passes on it's genes. What doesn't doesn't.

All the young of a species are slightly different (That's random).
Most die (Watch any nature film).
Some are going to be better at surviving in their particular environment than others. They're the ones most likely to survive and so pass on their genes. This results in a species becoming more adapted to that environment.
In a different environment different young might survive and passing on different genes changing the species as it adapts to different conditions.

There are a vast number of different strategies for survival. Some survive by being bigger or faster. Other's by being smaller and quieter. Worms and slugs thrive by living out of sight or being distasteful to eat. All that matters is that some survive and breed.

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