It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the ...

It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate

There are 151492 comments on the Asheville Citizen-Times story from Mar 15, 2009, titled It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate. In it, Asheville Citizen-Times reports that:

I would like to respond to the letter 'Recent letter offered no examples of Darwinian disingenuousness,' . He responds to an article with, 'He says evolution is 'so riddled with holes,' yet fails to provide a ...

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“Evil Atheist :-)”

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#103713 Dec 6, 2012
Evo-Lotion is Rub-ish wrote:
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1 – Prove that “natural selection” exists, in an objectively verifiable manner via the scientific method.
2 - What it is exactly and how that was determined in an objective manner via the scientific method.
3 - The mechanisms it used to do whatever it is you think it did, how it used them, when it used them, and how all this was determined in an objective manner via the scientific method.
Natural selection is life. What survives and breeds passes on it's genes. What doesn't doesn't.

All the young of a species are slightly different (That's random).
Most die (Watch any nature film).
Some are going to be better at surviving in their particular environment than others. They're the ones most likely to survive and so pass on their genes. This results in a species becoming more adapted to that environment.
In a different environment different young might survive and passing on different genes changing the species as it adapts to different conditions.

There are a vast number of different strategies for survival. Some survive by being bigger or faster. Other's by being smaller and quieter. Worms and slugs thrive by living out of sight or being distasteful to eat. All that matters is that some survive and breed.
KAB

United States

#103714 Dec 6, 2012
Evo-Lotion is Rub-ish wrote:
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but if I can act against the will of "God" then how is he God of me?
that God you refer to is a useless as snow ball in hell.
Not according to Webster. You are trying to stuff God into a box of your own making. Meanwhile, he defines himself clearly in the Bible. All you have to do is accept him at his own (instead of your own) word.

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#103715 Dec 6, 2012
KAB wrote:
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Not according to Webster. You are trying to stuff God into a box of your own making. Meanwhile, he defines himself clearly in the Bible. All you have to do is accept him at his own (instead of your own) word.
OK. At His own Divine Word, I accept God as someone who orders men to massacre a nation down including mothers and little boys, sparing only the yummy young virgins for the pleasure of those who are willing to cut the throats of the victims in his name with a dirty knife.

I suppose that sparing yummy virgins for the pleasure of the conquerors somehow make him more moral than the Nazis.
KAB

United States

#103716 Dec 6, 2012
Chimney1 wrote:
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OK. At His own Divine Word, I accept God as someone who orders men to massacre a nation down including mothers and little boys, sparing only the yummy young virgins for the pleasure of those who are willing to cut the throats of the victims in his name with a dirty knife.
I suppose that sparing yummy virgins for the pleasure of the conquerors somehow make him more moral than the Nazis.
When you provide a specific reference, I'll have a specific response.
Evo-Lotion is Rub-ish

Kingston, Jamaica

#103717 Dec 6, 2012
KAB wrote:
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Not according to Webster. You are trying to stuff God into a box of your own making. Meanwhile, he defines himself clearly in the Bible. All you have to do is accept him at his own (instead of your own) word.
You and Webster can kiss my corns!

A thing is what it does: So the God who is Omnipotent Will Behave Omnipotently... "by their fruits you shall know them".[Jesu]

As such, the God who is powerful sometimes is only sometimes god; which I of course have no use for.
Evo-Lotion is Rub-ish

Kingston, Jamaica

#103718 Dec 6, 2012
KAB wrote:
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When you provide a specific reference, I'll have a specific response.
Typical of they lacking the ability to think critically.

Tisk, tisk, mother [email protected] tisk.

“I Am No One Else”

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Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#103720 Dec 6, 2012
KAB wrote:
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Here's a math quiz for you Kitten.
What is pi rounded to one digit?
This is just a warm-up. If you get it right I have a more difficult one for you.
One digit? That is impossible as pi has no last digit to round.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#103721 Dec 6, 2012
KAB, here's a math quiz, pi is a complete circle, so how many degrees are lost when you drop all the significant digits and keep only the one?

I'll answer that for you, since everyone has a calculator:

8.11 degrees, approximately, even that's not precise. That means a circle in the bible is equal to 343.78 .... not a very round circle, and it certainly would not work in architecture or any form of engineering for that matter, if you presented that as your circle to the pharaohs even they'd banish you from working on pyramids, and those were not much more precise in their measurements. But even they knew what 360 degrees was, your "all knowing" deity either wanted the believers to kill themselves, or he simply isn't real.

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#103722 Dec 6, 2012
KAB wrote:
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When you provide a specific reference, I'll have a specific response.
After ordering the total slaughter of the Midianites...

Numbers 31: 13-18

13 Moses and Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the congregation went out to meet them outside the camp.

14 Moses was angry with the officers of the army, the captains of thousands and the captains of hundreds, who had come from service in the war.

15 And Moses said to them,“Have you spared all the women?

16 Behold, these caused the sons of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to trespass against the Lord in the matter of Peor, so the plague was among the congregation of the Lord.

17 Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately.

18 But all the girls who have not known man intimately,spare for yourselves.

So this the the "Good Lord" and Hitler's inspiration was Darwin?????

Please respond specifically to the above and explain to us all how this differs from genocide. Be good enough to explain why shoving a sword through the throat of a four year old boy or a grandmother, but keeping the yummy young virgin girls, is virtuous behavior as demanded by God. Please explain how the Hebrews under the command of Moses were more virtuous than the Nazis under Hitler. Please explain how you can describe a God who makes these demands as "Good".

“I am Sisyphus”

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#103723 Dec 6, 2012
MikeF wrote:
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Wasn't that the big hairy dude in Star Wars?

Harrison Ford?

“I am Sisyphus”

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#103724 Dec 6, 2012
Evo-Lotion is Rub-ish wrote:
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I AM A SINFUL MOTHER TRUCKER! I WILL GO TO HELL; ONLY JESU(S) CAN SAVE ME.

I would not count on it.

“I am Sisyphus”

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#103725 Dec 6, 2012
KAB wrote:
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Oh non-mathematically saavy Doc, Bob wants to know if you think nothing could be suceessfully built using an approximation for Pi?

Very little more sophisticated than a pile of bricks.

That is off by about 4.5%.

LowellGuy

United States

#103726 Dec 6, 2012
KAB wrote:
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When you provide a specific reference, I'll have a specific response.
It's already been provided. Pay attention.

“I am Sisyphus”

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#103727 Dec 6, 2012
KAB wrote:
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No guessing necessary.
My God is represented by the Bible. The relationship it defines between sin and God's will is clearly discernible.
Some books contain very valuable information.

The notion of god as represented the the 60 some (depending on the version of the bible) books of the bible is rather inconsistent, to say the least.

The anthropomorphic attributes assigned to him leave a lot to be desired.

“I am Sisyphus”

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#103728 Dec 6, 2012
Evo-Lotion is Rub-ish wrote:
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but if I can act against the will of "God" then how is he God of me?
that God you refer to is a useless as snow ball in hell.

You have convinced me. KAB actually is right about something.
LowellGuy

United States

#103729 Dec 6, 2012
KAB wrote:
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No guessing necessary.
My God is represented by the Bible. The relationship it defines between sin and God's will is clearly discernible.
Some books contain very valuable information.
How do you know that the Bible accurately represents your God and his will?
LowellGuy

United States

#103730 Dec 6, 2012
Evo-Lotion is Rub-ish wrote:
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Since its all in your mind; then keep it there!
Dont mess up other people's thought processes with what YOU think is right and real?
F8&^K off with your conceptions; we can form our own!
Afraid of 4, or afraid of science? Or both?

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

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The Borderland of Sol

#103731 Dec 6, 2012
Dogen wrote:
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Harrison Ford?
I don't think so - as least he denied being "scruffy-lookin'".

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

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#103732 Dec 6, 2012
Evo-Lotion is Rub-ish wrote:
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Why should I not suspect they may be real? I have no evidence to the contrary.
Its pure intellectual dishonesty why you dont believe in centaurs and mermaids etc; because you do believe in half fish-half tetrapod and such stuff.
But, you don't believe they DO exist, right? Or, do you? There's a difference between saying you don't believe they exist and you believe they don't exist. I'm not asking you to say you believe they don't exist; I'm merely asking if you believe they DO exist. Do you?
KAB

Wilson, NC

#103733 Dec 6, 2012
Evo-Lotion is Rub-ish wrote:
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You and Webster can kiss my corns!
A thing is what it does: So the God who is Omnipotent Will Behave Omnipotently... "by their fruits you shall know them".[Jesu]
As such, the God who is powerful sometimes is only sometimes god; which I of course have no use for.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. BTW, neither does Webster!

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