It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the ...

It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate

There are 164261 comments on the Asheville Citizen-Times story from Mar 15, 2009, titled It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate. In it, Asheville Citizen-Times reports that:

I would like to respond to the letter 'Recent letter offered no examples of Darwinian disingenuousness,' . He responds to an article with, 'He says evolution is 'so riddled with holes,' yet fails to provide a ...

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forreal

Sinton, TX

#99185 Oct 4, 2012
Dogen wrote:
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So, you you are saying "my mind is made up, don't confuse me with the historic facts".
Dogen wrote:
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Do you have a point for this? Actually we only know of this being celebrated for about 2,500 (max) years with any certainty.
The Torah, which contains the story of the exodus, was formed in the period of the Babylonian exile (5th century BCE) or shortly after.[3] The traditions behind the exodus narrative are older, and can be traced in the writings of the 8th century prophets.[4] How far beyond that the tradition might stretch cannot be told:
" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus" ; ; ;
these were oral traditions which, by their nature, changed from generation to generation. Have you ever played the game of "Telephone"? Did you see how screwed up a story became in just a few minuets with just 10 or so people?
2 pre-Israelites could have left Egypt in a huff and a thousand years later it became "The Exodus". We don't know what we don't know. Our earliest records are 1,000 years AFTER the alleged "Exodus".
Moses was born 1400 BC and he left Egypt around that time around the age of 80 yr old and he left egypt to the promise land and later wrote the first 5 books of the bible. Now 1400 BC plus 2012 equals3412 yrs stop twist the facts as a rattle snake!!!LOL
forreal

Sinton, TX

#99186 Oct 4, 2012
Dogen wrote:
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Simple metaphor. People think about money and they spend money, with the emperors image on it. Money controls people and Nero controlled the money.
Rev 13:17 This cant be NERO? He causes all both small and great rich and poor free or bond to recieve a mark that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#99187 Oct 4, 2012
KAB wrote:
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I agree that drought-during-flood is irrelevant. Care to guess who introduced it?
Given that there is a report that the flood occurred, the simplest explanation for local "no-evidence" is that it's been 4500 years, so the evidence won't be evident everywhere.
The stupid is strong in this one.

Please account for the fact that many major civilizations made no mention of said flood during this time period. Ready, set, go!

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#99188 Oct 4, 2012
KAB wrote:
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I noticed everything except your last point since the resolution of the data doesn't warrant that conclusion.
What resolution do you require?
marksman11

Asheville, NC

#99189 Oct 4, 2012
Thomas Robertson wrote:
So we all have to believe everything we canít disprove?
My, thatís a tall order!
You need to keep up. No one says you have to believe it, but you can't call things you can't ever prove, facts. You can believe and accept human from non-human evolution if you want to, but it is not a fact.
marksman11

Asheville, NC

#99190 Oct 4, 2012
Thomas Robertson wrote:
MIDutch wrote:
There is NO research, NO empirical evidence, NO science in support of the following:
The cosmos was magically conjured into existence with a magic "word".
Marksman11 wrote:
ďThen please pray tell, how did the cosmos come into being?Ē
Iím not sure.
I think that a god hatched from a giant egg and broke it in half, thereby creating Heaven and Earth.
At least, thatís the Chinese theory.
Or maybe the Prince of Heaven looked down from the sky and decided to rule the Earth. So he came down from the sky, leaving his father who was the King of Heaven, but bringing an entourage of loyal subjects. A she-bear prayed to become a human woman. The Prince of Heaven honored her prayer, married her, and sired a son who ruled Korea for 1500 years..
At least, thatís the Korean theory.
Or it could be that in a great god got sick and upchucked the sun. The sun dried up some of the water, leaving land. The god upchucked again, thereby creating the moon, the stars, animals, and people.
At least, thatís the Bantu theory.
Or possibly the Earth was at one time submerged by a giant ocean. A little water beetle came down from the sky to explore, dived below the surface, and brought up a supply of mud which expanded.
At least, thatís the Cherokee theory.
Marksman11 wrote:
ďGive us the Ďscientific evidenceí.Ē
That would be nice, but thatís the best I can do, because you canít give us anything better.
THen I guess the best we can do is say there is no scientific evidence of how the cosmos came into being. Funny, your like minded non-christians in here disagree with you and they seem to know how the cosmos came into being billions of years ago! THey also think they know what is going on in a location the is millions of light years away. Oh yeah, you did know that you are kin to a tobacco stalk.....right?
marksman11

Asheville, NC

#99191 Oct 4, 2012
forreal wrote:
<quoted text>Those who dont believe in the Exodus needs to tell the Jews why they even today still celebrate the PASSOVER!!!They have done this for more than 3,500 yrs, even Mary the mother of Jesus did it also!
Nice reply!!
marksman11

Asheville, NC

#99192 Oct 4, 2012
tangled bank wrote:
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Is this how you bully your students into submission? Insulting and ridiculing them if they ask you a question you can't/won't answer?
No this is the way I treat idiots who keep asking the same question when you've already answered it 5 times already. You are an idiot. I'm sorry you are an idiot, and I wish you weren't an idiot, but you have to want to change, because if I can't get you to understand that there is no such thing as historical certainty after saying it 5 times, then I have no other alturnative that to deem you an idiot.
tangled bank wrote:
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BTW - I'M not the one refusing to answer a question about Jesus.
I'v already answered it 5 times!!!
tangled bank wrote:
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The part where you apply it to Jesus.
"Can we be certain that Jesus really existed?"
When I tell you the truth, that there is no such thing as historical certainty, what do you think?
marksman11

Asheville, NC

#99193 Oct 4, 2012
Dogen wrote:
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The pyramids were, but the "pyramidiots" (As Zahi Hawass calls you guys) were not. Pyramidiotism is a new age Christian fantasy.
I don't accept a 4 year olds claims about Physics, so pardon me if I completely reject anything you have to say about the Great Pyramid.
marksman11

Asheville, NC

#99194 Oct 4, 2012
Dogen wrote:
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The pyramids were, but the "pyramidiots" (As Zahi Hawass calls you guys) were not. Pyramidiotism is a new age Christian fantasy.
By the way, keep up. We weren't talking about the pyramid, but your newage paganism.
MIDutch

Waterford, MI

#99195 Oct 4, 2012
KAB wrote:
<quoted text>Given that there is a report that the flood occurred ...
This would be a LIE!

There is a bronze age, goat herder FAIRY TALE that mentions it.

There is NO, repeat, NO "report that the (Noachian) flood occurred".
KAB

United States

#99196 Oct 4, 2012
LowellGuy wrote:
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Because the Bible says seed-bearing plants came at least one day before any animals. And, you already know that. And, I already know that. And, EVERYBODY HERE ALREADY KNOWS THAT.
http://bible.cc/genesis/1-12.htm (plants bearing seeds and fruits)
http://bible.cc/genesis/1-21.htm (birds and fish)
http://bible.cc/genesis/1-25.htm (land animals)
Meanwhile, the evidence does not show seed-bearing plants arising before animals. And, it certainly doesn't show seed-bearing plants arising in conjunction with non-seed-bearing plants. Seed-bearing plants arose long after non-seed-bearing plants, and after land animals appeared.
So, I ask you again: who are you going to believe? The Bible, or your own lying eyes?
By the way, that you pretend as though anybody here doesn't already know the story is disingenuous. If you think the Bible is wrong, just say so. If you think reality is wrong because it disagrees with the Bible, just say so. But, don't be a liar. It's not very Christian.
It appears the jury is still out on the plant/animal order,

"530 Ma The first known footprints on land date to 530 Ma, indicating that early animal explorations may have predated the development of terrestrial plants.[5]"

http://www.bionity.com/en/encyclopedia/Timeli...
MIDutch

Waterford, MI

#99197 Oct 4, 2012
KAB wrote:
<quoted text>Given that there is a report that the flood occurred, the simplest explanation for local "no-evidence" is that it's been 4500 years, so the evidence won't be evident everywhere.
So, SCIENCE can find tiny examples of empirical evidence from MILLIONS of years ago (small fragile fish and plant and dinosaur fossils, tiny insects in amber, microscopic organisms from the PreCambrian, traces of iridium from a catastrophic asteroid strike, etc.) but can't seem to locate the "evidence" from the largest catastrophe to ever hit the Earth?

Yeah, right. Like that makes any sense.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#99198 Oct 4, 2012
marksman11 wrote:
<quoted text>No this is the way I treat idiots who keep asking the same question when you've already answered it 5 times already. You are an idiot. I'm sorry you are an idiot, and I wish you weren't an idiot, but you have to want to change, because if I can't get you to understand that there is no such thing as historical certainty after saying it 5 times, then I have no other alturnative that to deem you an idiot.<quoted text>I'v already answered it 5 times!!!<quoted text>When I tell you the truth, that there is no such thing as historical certainty, what do you think?
Weird...I don't recall you EVER answering whether you found someone who agreed that 1.10 was greater than 1.9.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#99199 Oct 4, 2012
KAB wrote:
<quoted text>
It appears the jury is still out on the plant/animal order,
"530 Ma The first known footprints on land date to 530 Ma, indicating that early animal explorations may have predated the development of terrestrial plants.[5]"
http://www.bionity.com/en/encyclopedia/Timeli...
You just presented evidence that CONTRADICTS THE BIBLE ACCOUNT.

Flowering land plants came before land animals according to the Bible.

The story you just shared says land animals came before flowering plants.

Reading comprehension is just not your forte.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#99200 Oct 4, 2012
marksman11 wrote:
<quoted text>I don't accept a 4 year olds claims about Physics, so pardon me if I completely reject anything you have to say about the Great Pyramid.
But, you DO accept that 1.10 is greater than 1.9, which will really do a serious number on physics.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#99201 Oct 4, 2012
marksman11 wrote:
<quoted text>THen I guess the best we can do is say there is no scientific evidence of how the cosmos came into being. Funny, your like minded non-christians in here disagree with you and they seem to know how the cosmos came into being billions of years ago! THey also think they know what is going on in a location the is millions of light years away. Oh yeah, you did know that you are kin to a tobacco stalk.....right?
How's that whole "arguments from ignorance" thing coming?
KAB

United States

#99202 Oct 4, 2012
LowellGuy wrote:
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Ok, then explain to us why you think how a flood came to be would have any bearing on whether its year-long presence would or would not leave behind any discernible evidence in a drought-ridden part of the world.
Let's hear it. Remember, you didn't provide any data to support this claim of yours. If you don't accept that it's a claim, then you must admit you had no reason for bringing it up at all. Oh, yes...how I do love your lies.
A relatively slow rising (40 days?) upwelling-dominant flood followed by a relatively slow draining (major part of a year?) would generate much less sediment than you would like. Then a couple of good post-flood rains/snowfalls to pretty much wipe the slate clean, and there you have it. However, that pesky high-walled Canadian meteor crater would still retain the significant sediment washed down from the internal slopes of its walls by the rising flood waters overtopping them. I guess it's not easy to eliminate all traces of something.

“May you be at peace.”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#99203 Oct 4, 2012
forreal wrote:
<quoted text>Moses was born 1400 BC and he left Egypt around that time around the age of 80 yr old and he left egypt to the promise land and later wrote the first 5 books of the bible. Now 1400 BC plus 2012 equals3412 yrs stop twist the facts as a rattle snake!!!LOL

A bunch of baseless assertions. And tradition has it that Ramesses the Great was pharaoh when Moses left for the promise land. Ramesses lived from 1303 BC till July or August 1213 BC

Jerome's Chronicon (4th century) gives 1592 for the birth of Moses, the 17th-century Ussher chronology calculates 1619 BC (Annals of the World, 1658)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses#cite_note-...

Rabbinical Judaism calculated a lifespan of Moses corresponding to 1391Ė1271 BCE;[6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses

All of this is an aside, however, as there is no archeological or historical evidence of a large population leaving Egypt and wandering the desert for 40 years.

More likely the story has been expanded from earlier versions of the story.


KAB

United States

#99204 Oct 4, 2012
tangled bank wrote:
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You didn't mention that the Canadian crater lake doesn't have one year resolution, and yet you use it to support your make-believe flood. Why is that do you suppose?
BTW - the time resolution of a core doesn't make sediment disappear. A core is continuous, reflecting the entire sedimentary record throughout the entire length of a core. Evidence has also been posted which verifies that short term flooding leaves behind indentifiable sedimentary evidence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_deluge...
http://www.whoi.edu/science/GG/coastal/public...
http://geology.gsapubs.org/content/36/5/391.a...
http://www.geochronometria.pl/pdf/geo_37/Geo3...
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/97...
http://bulletin.geoscienceworld.org/content/1...
http://www.climategeology.ethz.ch/people/wirt...
You'll be pleased (NOT!) that I just explained this.

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