It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate

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I would like to respond to the letter 'Recent letter offered no examples of Darwinian disingenuousness,' . He responds to an article with, 'He says evolution is 'so riddled with holes,' yet fails to provide a ...
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Jan 14, 2012
 
MIDutch wrote:
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Yes it is and NO ONE, out of BILLIONS of devout believers and in thousands of years worth of time, has ever come back from the dead and said "you know what, the fundie christians and their literal and inerrant interpretation of the Bible is right".
The ONLY reason you think this is because you WANT to believe it.
Heck,
you lack that understanding to comment about God's existence...
If you are not a christian,good for you.But that would never justify your position about the existence of God...
We have higher plants,lower plants,lower animals and higher animals.In terms of classifications,h umans are seen as the highest of the higher animals,due to their brain.But despite this,they still end up dying(death)...
This will tell us that there a more higher power superceding humans,which is God almighty...

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MikeF wrote:
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Pig tail? WTF? Another example of Chuckie's mastery of the English language?
Which he doesn't own, by the way.
Huh!!
I think special thanks or kudos should go to England for their education of the language to the world...
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Jan 14, 2012
 
MikeF wrote:
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Obviously the meaning:
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I agree with his rock statements. So if he and you think otherwise, you are wrong.

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Jan 14, 2012
 
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>Heck,
you lack that understanding to comment about God's existence...
If you are not a christian,good for you.But that would never justify your position about the existence of God...
We have higher plants,lower plants,lower animals and higher animals.In terms of classifications,h umans are seen as the highest of the higher animals,due to their brain.But despite this,they still end up dying(death)...
This will tell us that there a more higher power superceding humans,which is God almighty...
Typo error:
From the last statement,i mean to say that,despite the fact that humans are the highest of all the higher and intelligent animals,they still end up dying(death)...
So,this will tell every one,that a more higher power than humans exist and that is God almighty...
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Jan 14, 2012
 
LowellGuy wrote:
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Is it your contention that evidence for your Bible's global flood does not exist, or is it your contention that the evidence for your Bible's global flood DOES exist but geologists are too incompetent to identify it?
I don't think it's incompetence. I think there is a lack of precedent for recognizing evidence of a one year global flood. You know what they say, in this forum at least. All floods are local.

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Jan 14, 2012
 
KAB wrote:
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I agree with his rock statements. So if he and you think otherwise, you are wrong.
No data.

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Bingo.
Meaning the Government cannot sponsor any one religion over another, as to do so would NECESSARILY be an intrusion of other religions not getting the same benefit.
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Bingo. Separation of church and state. Needs to work both ways, or it doesn't work at all.
And let's not forget that "establishment" also applies in the concept of "creating" a religion. A duality cleverly (or unintentionally) conveyed there.
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Please. Now you're just trying to obfuscate. You refuse to say why there wouldn't be evidence of this massive flood, and then you say that it's just that geologists weren't looking specifically for such evidence that prevented them from finding it.
When "creation scientists" went looking specifically for such evidence, did they ever find it? They had the tools AND they had the intent to find exactly the kind of evidence your Bible's flood would have left. Did they ever find it? Care to remind us? Maybe give a link to the articles that describe the evidence they found? Thanks in advance.
First you'll have to provide some data establishing that "creation scientists" actualy did go looking for global flood evidence using moderm technology. I don't want to chase a phantom.

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It was there in spirit if not spelled out, as is evidenced by the way its author, Jefferson, worded the Declaration of Independence:
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Thomas Jefferson "took his division of rights into alienable and unalienable from Hutcheson, who made the distinction popular and important",[22] and in the 1776 United States Declaration of Independence, famously condensed this to:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights...
" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inalienable#Mode...
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Without God can there really be "unalienable Rights"??
We have seen how, in atheistic governments, that it is the *state* that "endows" a citizen with his rights (if any).
"There in spirit"??? Really???

With the law, based on these documents, any deity is not part of the interpretation of the validity or application of the law.

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Jan 14, 2012
 
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>Dumb people are even more better and knowledge able than you...
Then who are you??pig tail...

pig tail? Are you retarded?

I have already evaluated your knowledge of the NT. It is even worse than your knowledge of American culture and the English language.
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All you have done is snipe at the data presented, thinking you invalidated it, while failing to present a single scientific document proving a global flood 4500 years ago.
Research/data presented that contradicts Noah's Flood Hypothesis (and is not inconclusive):
1. Regional flood evidence in Black Sea cores at 9400 years - but no flood evidence in the same cores at 4500 years
2. Stable sea level for the last 6000-8000 years
3. Drought conditions 5000-3000 years ago
4. Human pop. bottlenecks at 50,000 and 20,000 years - but nothing at 4500 years
5. Coral reefs flourishing 4500 years ago.
6. Civilizations flourishing 4500 years ago.
Research/data presented proving a global flood 4500 years ago:
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My contention is the same as the researchers investigating the flood in question - to see if it would have led to the myths regarding a catastrophic global flood.
So you do understand that the Black Sea investigators knew beforehand that evidence of a global flood is not what they were seeking. Why didn't you state that at the start of the dialog?

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Jan 14, 2012
 
marksman11 wrote:
It isn't erroneous at all, provable by your non-attempt at refuting it.
Your list has been refuted ad-nauseum over the last 3 years.

As to your errors:
1. The forces and matter of the universe didn't come from nothing - they came from an expanding hot and dense state
2. The big bang was an expansion not an explosion.
3. A finely tuned universe does not "disprove" evolution
4. Life did not arise from random, without aim or method, haphazard mixing of chemicals, but from ordered interactions of force and matter.
5. A line is not required for the 20+ species of fossil hominins to document human evolution
6. Direct observation is not required to establish a scientific theory.
7. It is the results of experiments that are to be replicated, and not the theory itself.
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I am not falsifying human from non-human evolution with that list.
So are you saying human evolution is not false?
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I am proving my point that you can't prove human from non-human evolution,
How does your list do that? Nothing on your list prevents/contradicts human evolution, and when corrected for content, all are fully consistent with, and explained by, evolution.
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which explans why I don't have to falsify it.
We all know why you can't falsify human evolution....you have no evidence.
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The original Bible stories weren't in Greek. So, it's a translation. How do you know it was translated properly into Greek?
I'm not sure what you mean, but approximately the last half of the Bible was originally written in Greek. Have you never heard the two major divisions of the Bible referred to as the Hebrew and Greek scriptures, respectively? If you doubt this ask someone you trust for confirmation. Anyone with even a minimal knowledge of the Bible will know this.

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Pig tail? WTF? Another example of Chuckie's mastery of the English language?
Which he doesn't own, by the way.
By the way, saw a pic today of a boat out of Tampa whose name is "WTF" ...

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SsixtytwoS wrote:
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By the way, saw a pic today of a boat out of Tampa whose name is "WTF" ...
Sounds like Tampa.

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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>Huh!!
I think special thanks or kudos should go to England for their education of the language to the world...

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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>Typo error:
From the last statement,i mean to say that,despite the fact that humans are the highest of all the higher and intelligent animals,they still end up dying(death)...
So,this will tell every one,that a more higher power than humans exist and that is God almighty...

Death, is an illusion.

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So you do understand that the Black Sea investigators knew beforehand that evidence of a global flood is not what they were seeking. Why didn't you state that at the start of the dialog?
If it is your contention that geologist - both religious and non-religious - would not have noticed, in all the years they have been studied the planet, any evidence of a global catastrophe, then you, sir, are delusional.

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KAB wrote:
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I don't think it's incompetence. I think there is a lack of precedent for recognizing evidence of a one year global flood. You know what they say, in this forum at least. All floods are local.

I think it is YOU'RE incompetence. You have never cracked a science book in your life. You pig-tail.

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KAB wrote:
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First you'll have to provide some data establishing that "creation scientists" actualy did go looking for global flood evidence using moderm technology. I don't want to chase a phantom.

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