Do ring species exist? PLEASE PROVIDE...
First Prev
of 2
Next Last
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#21 May 18, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
I don't think that anyone has ever bothered to try to do this nor are they too likely to try.
If an animal was born odds are that it would have troubles due to the genetic differences in their parents. For example tigers and lions can breed, but just barely. There offspring have a fairly high level of birth defects. The same would probably occur if you could get the ends of a ring species to breed. It would be a cruel experiment.
So, how could healthy humans exist, that were supposedly evolved from apes?

Wouldn't this cause major birth defects and sterilization too?

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#22 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
<quoted text>
So, how could healthy humans exist, that were supposedly evolved from apes?
Wouldn't this cause major birth defects and sterilization too?
No, why would you think that?

And by the way, technically we are apes.

So it seems that you don't understand the first thing about evolution.

How could you be opposed to an idea that you do not understand?
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#23 May 18, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
No, why would you think that?
And by the way, technically we are apes.
So it seems that you don't understand the first thing about evolution.
How could you be opposed to an idea that you do not understand?
SZ, we are not apes! lol! Theyve brainwashed you, omg!

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#24 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
<quoted text>
SZ, we are not apes! lol! Theyve brainwashed you, omg!
Nope, ask a biologist. We are apes. In fact that distinction may even predate Darwin.

Why do you deny obvious scientific facts?

Wait a second, even better, why do you think we are not apes?
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#25 May 18, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope, ask a biologist. We are apes. In fact that distinction may even predate Darwin.
Why do you deny obvious scientific facts?
Wait a second, even better, why do you think we are not apes?
We do not have 100% of the same genes and DNA as apes.

Why are there still complete apes and complete humans if we evolved???

Where are the half evolved ape to human protegies?

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#26 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
<quoted text>
We do not have 100% of the same genes and DNA as apes.
Why are there still complete apes and complete humans if we evolved???
Where are the half evolved ape to human protegies?
What do you mean? By definition since we are apes we have 100% of the genes as some apes. That we don't have 100% of the genes of all apes is obvious. But then no other ape has 100% of the same genes as other apes either.

What the heck is a "protegy"? There are quite a few species that we have fossils of that show the progression of human evolution. Are you totally ignorant of them? How can you argue against an idea that you do not understand? It makes no sense.

And if Americans came from England why are there still Englishmen?

do you realize how foolish your last question was now?
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#27 May 18, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
What do you mean? By definition since we are apes we have 100% of the genes as some apes. That we don't have 100% of the genes of all apes is obvious. But then no other ape has 100% of the same genes as other apes either.
What the heck is a "protegy"? There are quite a few species that we have fossils of that show the progression of human evolution. Are you totally ignorant of them? How can you argue against an idea that you do not understand? It makes no sense.
And if Americans came from England why are there still Englishmen?
do you realize how foolish your last question was now?
Why aren't there any evolving ape to humans today? why don't we see it first hand....EVER???

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#28 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
<quoted text>
Why aren't there any evolving ape to humans today? why don't we see it first hand....EVER???
Why would we?

It is getting too late for me to explain evolution to you. You really have no grasp about the idea. All life is evolving all of the time.

Are young different from their parents?

Do some animals breed and reproduce more than others of their own species?

If you understand the answers to these simple questions you are on your way to understanding evolution.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#29 May 18, 2013
By the way, I have to correct you, we are all apes.

Why do you keep making mistakes even after being corrected?

Also once an animal is in a clade it is always in that clade, so technically we are all fish since we descended from fishes. Our gills are no more than slits when we are embryos and develop into other organs today. But I don't think you are ready for that yet.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#30 May 19, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
So, how could healthy humans exist, that were supposedly evolved from apes?
Quite easy. It's called reproduction.

Humans ARE apes.
imagine2011 wrote:
Wouldn't this cause major birth defects and sterilization too?
Sometimes it does. But that's usually the exception rather than the rule.

Again I'm wondering why are you here asking questions in a subject you have zero interest in? It's not like you're capable of having an intelligent discussion on the subject due to your complete and utter total lack of science education. I mean your best arguments are on the level of why are there still monkeys and dog giving birth to a cat.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#31 May 19, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
<quoted text>
SZ, we are not apes! lol! Theyve brainwashed you, omg!
Of course we are apes. We are primates.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primate

And what's more, it was a creationist who pointed it out. Ironically he laid down the basis for what would eventually lead to the modern evolutionary synthesis which is accepted by every major scientific institution in the world today.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#32 May 19, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
We do not have 100% of the same genes and DNA as apes.
Actually we DO share 100% of our genetics with apes because we ARE apes.

We also share a significant portion of our DNA with other apes - chimps 98%, gorillas 97%, orangutans 95%. Precisely within the difference expected by genetic drift. This forms a pattern of nested hierarchy, a pattern only predicted by evolution.
imagine2011 wrote:
Why are there still complete apes and complete humans if we evolved???
Darn it. You did it.

You really used the "Why are there still apes" argument.

Why are there still Europeans if Americans came from Europeans?
imagine2011 wrote:
Where are the half evolved ape to human protegies?
You've already been provided with them. You claimed they were all part of the worldwide liberal conspiracy.

So again, why ask for something you don't have the intelligence to discuss and have no interest in anyway?

Why are you creationists PROUD of your intellectual dishonesty and worship ignorance as a virtue?
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#33 May 19, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
<quoted text>
Why aren't there any evolving ape to humans today? why don't we see it first hand....EVER???
We do. Each and every person is born with 125 to 175 mutations which are NOT shared by their parents. You will find that the same applies to other apes, and indeed pretty much every other form of life on the entire planet.

So everything that ever lived ends up with small changes within each generation. You don't notice it because not only are you not a geneticist and wouldn't have the slightest chance of becoming one ever, but also 200 mutations per generation is not all that much when one considers the fact our genome is made up of over 3 billion bases.

However over time these changes accumulate. The inevitable result - evolution.

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker
First Prev
of 2
Next Last

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Evolution Debate Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
News Evolution vs. Creation (Jul '11) 22 min ChromiuMan 222,777
News "Science vs. Religion: What Scientists Really T... (Jan '12) 36 min Eagle 12 - 79,975
News It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in e... (Mar '09) 2 hr marksman11 163,768
News Atheism, for Good Reason, Fears Questions (Jun '09) 8 hr River Tam 32,582
What's your religion? 14 hr Zog Has-fallen 4
Life started in Tennessee proof. Sep 15 Science4life 1
Science News (Sep '13) Sep 8 Ricky F 4,001
More from around the web