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Wondering

Somerset, KY

#42 Dec 29, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>"For my loins are filled with a loathsome disease and there is no soundness in my flesh" Psalm 38:7. I admit that I am mental and I have had the best of care. I'm actually quite lucid and haven't been hospitalized since 1986. All of my doctrine is based on the word of God and most of it is original. My doctor of 37 years is Jewish, is Elijah the prophet, and he believes in me. "We're never gonna survive unless we get a little crazy" Seal.
Umm... Ok...
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#43 Dec 29, 2013
defender wrote:
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The question is this... If Jesus was not the son of God then why would he go to his death for such a claim?...
He didn't. The Romans crucified him because he disturbed the Temple courtyard and rode into town a few days earlier to at least SOME public acclaim as "King of the Jews." The Romans brooked absolutely no opposition and arrested Jesus and killed him.

The gospels were written decades AFTER this, and a lot of their spin trying to make Jesus' death the fault of "The Jews" and absolving the poor, helpless Romans was just that, spin necessary in the late part of the century as the new religion moved out into the Roman Empire.
defender wrote:
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Why would Paul give up a life of money, women and fame only to preach a religion that he knew would surly draw him a death sentence?
Paul was originally a murderous thug whose guilt led him to some sort of "religious conversion" and subsequent fanaticism.

There is no indication that he would otherwise have had a life of money, fame etc.

And Paul's letters suggest quite strongly that he was a repressed, self-loathing homosexual, so the "Happily married" thing was probably ever on the table with him.
defender wrote:
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How could it be that one man who had no political office, no army and only a mere twelve followers produce such a religion that has lasted over two thousand years?
Hinduism and Buddhism command 50% of the world's population and have lasted longer than (or nearly as long) as Christianity. Does that mean THEIR founders were divine too?
defender

Somerset, KY

#44 Dec 29, 2013
Gillette wrote:
<quoted text>He didn't. The Romans crucified him because he disturbed the Temple courtyard and rode into town a few days earlier to at least SOME public acclaim as "King of the Jews." The Romans brooked absolutely no opposition and arrested Jesus and killed him.

The gospels were written decades AFTER this, and a lot of their spin trying to make Jesus' death the fault of "The Jews" and absolving the poor, helpless Romans was just that, spin necessary in the late part of the century as the new religion moved out into the Roman Empire.

defender wrote, "<quoted text>
Why would Paul give up a life of money, women and fame only to preach a religion that he knew would surly draw him a death sentence? "

Paul was originally a murderous thug whose guilt led him to some sort of "religious conversion" and subsequent fanaticism.

There is no indication that he would otherwise have had a life of money, fame etc.

And Paul's letters suggest quite strongly that he was a repressed, self-loathing homosexual, so the "Happily married" thing was probably ever on the table with him.

defender wrote, "<quoted text>
How could it be that one man who had no political office, no army and only a mere twelve followers produce such a religion that has lasted over two thousand years?"

Hinduism and Buddhism command 50% of the world's population and have lasted longer than (or nearly as long) as Christianity. Does that mean THEIR founders were divine too?
Boy just make it up as you go bud... Lol
You're so wrong about Jesus it's funny.. Yeah he's disturbing the peace so let's wait a few days and sneak and get him!!!
Paul was already famous and wealthy and the only suggested homosexually dreams you people come up with are a desperate hope that it's ok to pop each other in the back seat...
The mere fact that Christianity survived at all is amazing... One poor man with hardly no following that by all accounts should have been long forgotten...

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

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#45 Dec 29, 2013
defender wrote:
<quoted text> Boy just make it up as you go bud... Lol
You're so wrong about Jesus it's funny.. Yeah he's disturbing the peace so let's wait a few days and sneak and get him!!!
Paul was already famous and wealthy and the only suggested homosexually dreams you people come up with are a desperate hope that it's ok to pop each other in the back seat...
The mere fact that Christianity survived at all is amazing... One poor man with hardly no following that by all accounts should have been long forgotten...

Religions are good at surviving.

That Paul may have been gay is a long standing theory that is rooted in (but may go beyond) the facts.

He was certainly a misogynist and unmarried at a time that being an unmarried adult Jewish male was considered to be nearly a crime. Remember, he was a Pharisee and was living under the Jewish law. But somehow he used Christianity as a way out of that. That he may or may not have been gay, but that does not reflect on his contributions (both good and bad) to early Christianity.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#46 Dec 29, 2013
Well, Paul makes a big deal about the sinful "thorn" God has put in his side, that unruly member that will not do what he wants it to do, etc.

And there is a common profile in modern psychology of the repressed gay man who makes himself the biggest critic of other gays' supposed "sinfulness."
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#47 Dec 29, 2013
defender wrote:
<quoted text> Boy just make it up as you go bud... Lol
You're so wrong about Jesus it's funny.. Yeah he's disturbing the peace so let's wait a few days and sneak and get him!!!
It's exactly what happened. He disturbed the temple and the city at Passover, the Romans took note, got him and nailed him up.

40 years later, when the gospels were written, the Christian evangelists trying to make their way in the Roman world without themselves being persecuted and killed could hardly accuse the Empire of "Killing God," and expect to thrive, now could they?

So it became "The Jews, the Jews, the Jews," with predictable results down through the centuries.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#48 Dec 30, 2013
Gillette wrote:
Well, Paul makes a big deal about the sinful "thorn" God has put in his side, that unruly member that will not do what he wants it to do, etc.
And there is a common profile in modern psychology of the repressed gay man who makes himself the biggest critic of other gays' supposed "sinfulness."

Evidence yes. But circumstantial evidence. Would be hard to convict with it.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#49 Dec 30, 2013
Gillette wrote:
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It's exactly what happened. He disturbed the temple and the city at Passover, the Romans took note, got him and nailed him up.
40 years later, when the gospels were written, the Christian evangelists trying to make their way in the Roman world without themselves being persecuted and killed could hardly accuse the Empire of "Killing God," and expect to thrive, now could they?
So it became "The Jews, the Jews, the Jews," with predictable results down through the centuries.

It was also going on at the same time that the Jews and the new Christian sect were having a falling out and Jews were rejecting Christianity as part of Judaism.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#50 Dec 30, 2013
Gillette wrote:
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It's exactly what happened. He disturbed the temple and the city at Passover, the Romans took note, got him and nailed him up.
40 years later, when the gospels were written, the Christian evangelists trying to make their way in the Roman world without themselves being persecuted and killed could hardly accuse the Empire of "Killing God," and expect to thrive, now could they?
So it became "The Jews, the Jews, the Jews," with predictable results down through the centuries.
It was the multitudes that followed Jesus that had him crucified, he said "Take up your cross and follow me". He wanted to be crucified because he thought it would fulfill scripture. If the Jews had had their way, according to Jewish law, he would've been stoned to death. The Jews had nothing to do with Jesus' crucifixion. He suffered a "strange punishment" Job 31:3 and "died the deaths of the uncircumcised". Ezekiel 28:10.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#51 Dec 30, 2013
defender wrote:
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And yours? Random chaos blowing everything into existence from nothing
No, that's not our position. And further, you know it isn't. Since it's been explained to you numerous times.

Ergo you are lying.

As usual.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#52 Dec 30, 2013
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text>The greatest deception in Darwinism is the
Ahh, shaddap Shoob ya mook.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#53 Dec 30, 2013
defender wrote:
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The question is this... If Jesus was not the son of God then why would he go to his death for such a claim?
He didn't.

There's no sacrifice if you're an immortal being that can live forever.

Your religion is a big scam.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#54 Dec 30, 2013
defender wrote:
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And I thought some of these others were wacked.... Get help friend....
Uh, ya know deef, she's not really saying anything that's any more out there than what you already do. You DO understand this, right?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#55 Dec 30, 2013
defender wrote:
<quoted text> Boy just make it up as you go bud... Lol
You're so wrong about Jesus it's funny.
But how do you know?

Where you THERE?!?

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