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Scientists stunned by the public's doubt of Darwin

There are 248 comments on the World Magazine story from Apr 22, 2014, titled Scientists stunned by the public's doubt of Darwin. In it, World Magazine reports that:

The scientific establishment recoiled in horror when a recent poll revealed a majority of Americans doubt the truth of Darwin's evolutionary theory.

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#185 May 10, 2014
Your trust in deceit will determine your fate.

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#186 May 10, 2014
It's your decision. All liars will have their part in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death. Revelation 21:8.

“May you be at peace.”

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#187 May 10, 2014
Zog Has-fallen wrote:
It's your decision. All liars will have their part in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death. Revelation 21:8.

I hope you take a cold drink.

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#188 May 10, 2014
Chimney1 wrote:
Defining mass and force and acceleration using F=MA is circular doublespeak then, so go tell it to Newton.
F=ma is accepted as a "half-law" by prominent physicists. It isn't entirely circular.

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#189 May 11, 2014
Zog Has-fallen wrote:
<quoted text> That's a mere empty circle that has nothing to do with empirical reality. True science requires investigating solid quantities like Shubert's number, which non-scientists on a religious mission loathe to estimate. http://everythingimportant.org/Buffy
The fact that mutation yields offspring with variable survival potential in a given environment is observable and non-circular. As a statistical phenomenon, we approach the issue with statistical methods. Sorry to point out the obvious to you, but in real, complex systems, that is often the only approach we can use. As as you are no doubt aware, the very fabric of the universe relies not on single numbers but on probability waves...

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#190 May 11, 2014
Zog Has-fallen wrote:
<quoted text> In a world of Darwinian fantasy, yes.
The progressive optimisation of populations to an environment is not fantasy, but observed empirically.

All 12 of Lenski's mono-clonal flasks optimised to their environment over time...each with a different set of mutations too. The one that evolved citrate digestion gets the headlines, but all showed dramatic adaptation to the environment.

So, "Darwinian fantasy" is merely your fantasy, while reality supports the Darwinian hypothesis.

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#191 May 11, 2014
Zog Has-fallen wrote:
<quoted text> F=ma is accepted as a "half-law" by prominent physicists. It isn't entirely circular.
"Survival of the fittest" only looks tautological to a mathematician with no grasp of empirical reality. When the definition is applied to reality, and empirical result rather than logical formalism is the arbiter of truth, Darwin's hypothesis makes perfect sense.

In the same way, F=ma looks circular until applied to actual masses and forces, and grounded in empirical result rather than abstract formalism, it is observed to work very well.
The Dude

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#192 May 12, 2014
Zog Has-fallen wrote:
It's your decision. All liars will have their part in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death. Revelation 21:8.
You lack empirical data.

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#193 May 14, 2014
Chimney1 wrote:
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"Survival of the fittest" only looks tautological to a mathematician with no grasp of empirical reality. When the definition is applied to reality, and empirical result rather than logical formalism is the arbiter of truth, Darwin's hypothesis makes perfect sense.
The nearly magical inheritable DNA molecule is what is responsible for evolution. And the Darwinists' obsession with trash collection is just a deceptive shell game with an insignificantly sized pea. everythingimportant.org/evolution/

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#194 May 14, 2014
Zog Has-fallen wrote:
<quoted text>The nearly magical inheritable DNA molecule is what is responsible for evolution. And the Darwinists' obsession with trash collection is just a deceptive shell game with an insignificantly sized pea. everythingimportant.org/evolution/
Again, a statement nearly pregnant with significance.
The Dude

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#195 May 15, 2014
Zog Has-fallen wrote:
<quoted text>The nearly magical inheritable DNA molecule is what is responsible for evolution. And the Darwinists' obsession with trash collection is just a deceptive shell game with an insignificantly sized pea.
Your post is a straw-man. Sorry, but evolution won't go away until you deal with the reality of it.

But then since it is a reality then it's only gonna go away when all life is extinct.

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#196 May 15, 2014
The Dude wrote:
Sorry, but evolution won't go away until you deal with the reality of it.
I accept evolution: http://everythingimportant.org/devolution/

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#197 May 15, 2014
Chimney1 wrote:
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The progressive optimisation of populations to an environment is not fantasy, but observed empirically.
All 12 of Lenski's mono-clonal flasks optimised to their environment over time...each with a different set of mutations too. The one that evolved citrate digestion gets the headlines, but all showed dramatic adaptation to the environment.
The story here is the observed loss of fitness in the new environments, which supports the theory of devolution.
http://everythingimportant.org/devolution/

“May you be at peace.”

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#198 May 15, 2014
Zog Has-fallen wrote:
<quoted text> The story here is the observed loss of fitness in the new environments, which supports the theory of devolution.
http://everythingimportant.org/devolution/

Only that is not what is observed. 100% of the serious scientific research in this area shows adaptive evolution.

Sorry, Mr. middle school math tutor, but them is da facts.
The Dude

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#199 May 15, 2014
Zog Has-fallen wrote:
<quoted text> I accept evolution
You're lying again. You accept your own caricature of evolution, same as every other fundie does. However your views are irrelevant.

Still waiting for you to refute us, Shoob.

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#200 May 15, 2014
Chimney1 wrote:
The fact that mutation yields offspring with variable survival potential in a given environment is observable and non-circular.
Likewise, mutations that yield an average miniscule percentage of nonviable offspring per birth are observable, but the church of Darwin isn't interested in estimating that number.
The Dude

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#201 May 16, 2014
That's because we're all still here.

And you still haven't managed to refute anything we've presented in the past.

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#202 May 16, 2014
When will these love-sick puppy dogs that are obsessed with me and follow me everywhere begin to realize that they're wasting their time?

“Do not bend, fold, staple or”

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mutilate. Point down range.

#203 May 16, 2014
Zog Has-fallen wrote:
When will these love-sick puppy dogs that are obsessed with me and follow me everywhere begin to realize that they're wasting their time?
Not love-sick. We are just entertained by train wrecks. Does this mean that now you too recognize that you are FUBAR?

“May you be at peace.”

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#204 May 16, 2014
Zog Has-fallen wrote:
When will these love-sick puppy dogs that are obsessed with me and follow me everywhere begin to realize that they're wasting their time?

Oh, the irony.

I am certainly not the first person to tell you that you are sick and need help. What makes you think that so many people are wrong?

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