Evolution is proven false

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Worried Christian wrote:
That's quite some post thanks. I never really pushed the 'pro creationism' opinion. I just find it all interesting. I believe that evolution is the best fitting explanation. I am a Christian. But I am steadily losing my faith. I love science and discovery, but I am struggling to accommodate my interest in empirical scientific evidence and the tatters that remain of my faith. Instead of Biblical truth, I find myself facing possible myth and misrepresentation of possible, unknown events. Ultimately I only seek the truth. It is very hard to let go completely of something that has been your entire life. When you are spiritually and devotionally entwined with something, it causes turmoil and frustrated anger that you (me) could have been living a lie. Ultimately you look harder for purpose and reason as a defence. But it's like swimming against the tide. Thank you for your informative reply
And this is the problem with religious faith. It can ONLY ever be verified at the end of it all when we finally meet our maker. It can never be verified in an objective manner when we are alive since God doesn't make a habit of regularly putting His arm down for a routine blood test. Hence, faith.

The creationist's problem is that they decide that scientific reality is in conflict with their faith. They decide that the somewhat more ludicrous parts of the Bible (such as talking lizards) are the "literal truth", and not a literary device known as a parable from which to derive religious meaning. Another possible option is to decide that faith does not have to mean rejecting reality in the process.

If it helps at all evolution, as well as being scientifically supported and the backing of pretty much every major scientific institution in the world, also has the backing of the Clergy Letter Project, where around 12,000 (mostly Christian) clergy have signed a statement saying that the acceptance of evolution need not conflict with religious faith. There are even scientists who are believers and have no problem in accepting evolution, such as Kenneth Miller (involved with the 2005 Dover ID trial) and Francis Collins, former head of the Genome Sequencing Project. Another two off the top of my head are Dr Allan Chapman (who wrote the book Gods In The Sky, as well as a Channel 4 documentary with the same name) and Lord Robert Winston, who mustachio'd appearance you've probably seen in his BBC biology documentaries at some point.

Otherwise since I'm not a theist I can't give you spiritual advice, so therefore I could only recommend you see a priest if that's your thing. And hopefully it's not one of those silly ones who'll just tell you that evolution was invented by Satan at the top of the Tower of Babel.

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Worried Christian wrote:
That's quite some post thanks. I never really pushed the 'pro creationism' opinion. I just find it all interesting. I believe that evolution is the best fitting explanation. I am a Christian. But I am steadily losing my faith. I love science and discovery, but I am struggling to accommodate my interest in empirical scientific evidence and the tatters that remain of my faith. Instead of Biblical truth, I find myself facing possible myth and misrepresentation of possible, unknown events. Ultimately I only seek the truth. It is very hard to let go completely of something that has been your entire life. When you are spiritually and devotionally entwined with something, it causes turmoil and frustrated anger that you (me) could have been living a lie. Ultimately you look harder for purpose and reason as a defence. But it's like swimming against the tide. Thank you for your informative reply
When you realize that God is nothing more than a figment of the imagination designed to assuage fears of loss and death, you can craft God to be whatever you need it to be, or discard the concept entirely if you see fit to do so. But, throwing up creationist lies isn't going to do anything but raise hackles among the people who have been shooting them down for a long time. There are liars for Jesus and there are people who accommodate liars for Jesus. Neither is a good camp to be in. Be on the side of facts and reason rather than dishonesty and obfuscation. Be honest with yourself, and you can then be honest with us.
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Fact..."Micro" and "Macro" evolution are creationist terms. The mechanisms for the two are exactly the same. The only difference is the time scales involved. Thus, if micro-evolution is proved, so is macro-evolution. A lot of little changes add up to some big changes. There is no magical barrier that says a species can have no more mutations. Read some genetics.
You believe a lot of misinformation. You should try educating yourself. Ignorance AND arrogance.
What a load of BS. Macroevolution requires purposeful mutations resulting in the creation of new genetic information. Microevolution involves selection of pre-existing genes. You cannot selectively breed a man from a worm. Millions of new genes would have to be created.
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<quoted text>What a load of BS. Macroevolution requires purposeful mutations resulting in the creation of new genetic information. Microevolution involves selection of pre-existing genes. You cannot selectively breed a man from a worm. Millions of new genes would have to be created.
You sure are an expert on b.s. Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Where do you dig up this garbage?
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<quoted text>What a load of BS. Macroevolution requires purposeful mutations resulting in the creation of new genetic information.
Your claim is baseless since you are unable to demonstrate "purpose" in any objectively verifiable manner. New genetic information is created all the time, and this has been scientifically observed. If it doesn't work then it may lead to extinction. Hardly surprising since 99% of all species that have ever existed are now extinct. But the ones that survive can breed successfully. And the 1% that's left, which is everything currently alive on this planet, are what we are left with today.
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Microevolution involves selection of pre-existing genes.
Micro, macro, makes no difference. Both involve the selection of pre-existing genes. But new genes are created because biological organisms generally are NOT clones. Therefore the new material can be subject to selection pressure.
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You cannot selectively breed a man from a worm. Millions of new genes would have to be created.
Bingo. That would be a violation of nested hierarchies. Plus artificial selection requires the elimination of variation. Kinda the antithesis of evolution. This is why your incredulity and complete and total ignorance of biology in general and evolution in particular do not constitute a valid criticism of science you disagree with because you think Goddidit differently. God does not CARE about the limitations you attempt to place on it.

Now I must insist that you go to church and ask your father for forgiveness for lying, and you can finally admit that you're just another big fundie liar when you claimed you had four years of medical training.

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