And that is part of your difficulty. There is no 'entropy above the molecular level'. There is entropy.<quoted text>
In considering the entropy of the house, it was assumed that we are referring entropy above the molecular level.
It can,*if* you include *all* micro-states. In other words, as long as you include *all* the entropy.You and Chimney agreed that the house is lower entropy than the pile of building materials. No one was suggesting that the molecules in the bricks and 2x4's were more ordered. My understanding is that the Boltzmann equation can be applied to systems such as calculating the order of a book.
And that is wrong. If you are going to use the SLoT, you have to include all of the entropy. That means delaing with all micro-states at the quantum level.Is that correct? If so, then the amount of molecular disorder that is produced in the process is not part of the macrostate.
And I thought we were talking only about the contribution to the entropy from the writing. The rest of the entropy comes into play if you want to use the SLoT in any way. There is no distinction between macro-entropy and micro-entropy.Would you please explain to me why a book of zeros is more ordered than a book of QM. I fell that I understand what micro- and microstates are. How many microstates does a book of zeros have? How many microstates does a book of QM have?
Which is, again, irrelevant for SLoT considerations. We were having an exercise abut how to compute entropy using bricks and houses as an analogy. But for the actual entropy of a situation, you have to consider what is going on at the molecular level. When you do that, the entropy of the two books is almost identical. And the entropy of the unbuilt house and the one fully constructed is almost identical. In all these cases, most of the entropy happens at the molecular level. The 'macro-entropy' is way, way, way smaller. I'm approximating that the factor is about a quintillion or so.All order produced at the molecular by non-intelligent processes can be explained by atomic and molecular forces such as polarity. I know of no order that has been proven [observed] to be produced without intelligence that is above the molecular level.