Should evolution be taught in high sc...

Should evolution be taught in high school?

There are 180369 comments on the www.scientificblogging.com story from Feb 24, 2008, titled Should evolution be taught in high school?. In it, www.scientificblogging.com reports that:

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."

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Believer

Manchester, TN

#150307 Sep 6, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Can;t you get one post right?
IDiocy was not a "science" at that time. And Darwin does not argue "feverishly" nor does he even mention intelligent design.
We knew that Noah's Ark was a myth long before Darwin came around. No one in the scientific world believed that nonsense during Darwin's time. Why would he have to argue strongly for an already debunked idea?
What is your problem boy? Is your mental age stuck at 10? I hate to break the news to you, but Santa Claus is not real either.


Why are you always bringing up Genesis and claiming it to be a book of fairy tales? I don't see any Creationists bringing it up .

Those of us who CHOOSE to believe the Bible was written by men who were being led by The Holy Spirit of God, wrote what they were inspired by God to write.

Only God knows exactly how it happened and exactly how long...but God, being God, knows how and why. OBVIOUSLY all of us know very little compared to what we don't know about how we got here and what we are supposed to do now that we are.

The Bible does give us some background information, instruction on how to live our lives to increase good and shun evil.

And, it gives us purpose in the hope of existing in a time and place where all of our questions will be answered and all suffering and injustice will have been done away with. The greatest sacrifice having been made by the One who created all things with a victory over evil in mind.

True Christians are believing and trying to follow the teachings and instructions of Christ. The Old Testament is a book of the history of what we know of mankind after he was created in Gods image (with a soul/spirit) and when Jesus came to live on earth to show us the true nature and character of God the Father.
Believer

Manchester, TN

#150308 Sep 6, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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Mammals go back more than 200 million years.
Whales, as far as we know, something like 25 million.
Whales evolved from land mammals.
Mammals evolved from reptiles which evolved from amphibians which evolved from lobe finned fish.
Just to be clear.
I don't mean to beat a dead horse here, but for a minute, pretend you are talking to your mom or grandmother, or older sister.... ;o )

Make it simple (no big scientific terms). How did whales that live only in the ocean evolve from land mammals that live only on land that evolved from reptiles that live on land that evolved from amphibians that live in water and land that evolved from fish that live only in water?
Seems to me there is a missing link between the land mammal and the ocean mammal. Is that what you are still looking for a fossil for (a man/whale kind of thing).:-/

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#150309 Sep 6, 2013
Believer wrote:
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Why are you always bringing up Genesis and claiming it to be a book of fairy tales? I don't see any Creationists bringing it up .
Then you are blind. How's That for Stupid just claimed that Darwin attacked the Noah's Ark myth. He never needed to do such a thing and by trying to defend that myth HST was bringing up Genesis. In fact ID has been shown to be Biblical creationism. Calling it ID was a lie that was started by the Discovery Institute. They got caught in the Dover trial.

Those of us who CHOOSE to believe the Bible was written by men who were being led by The Holy Spirit of God, wrote what they were inspired by God to write.
Only God knows exactly how it happened and exactly how long...but God, being God, knows how and why. OBVIOUSLY all of us know very little compared to what we don't know about how we got here and what we are supposed to do now that we are.
That may be. But we do know that some ideas are wrong. For example the myths of Genesis. They have been disproven by science in many different ways.
The Bible does give us some background information, instruction on how to live our lives to increase good and shun evil.
And, it gives us purpose in the hope of existing in a time and place where all of our questions will be answered and all suffering and injustice will have been done away with. The greatest sacrifice having been made by the One who created all things with a victory over evil in mind.
It also tells us that we can beat our slaves nearly to death, how to trick people into a life of slavery, and that we can sell our daughters into slavery. And that is just a small taste of the evils of the Bible.
True Christians are believing and trying to follow the teachings and instructions of Christ. The Old Testament is a book of the history of what we know of mankind after he was created in Gods image (with a soul/spirit) and when Jesus came to live on earth to show us the true nature and character of God the Father.
No, the O.T. has been shown to be largely a book of myths with some biased history. It is also full of bad morals, bad science, and the entire Bible is filled with self contradictions.

You can believe whatever you want. If you take those beliefs out into the public you should not complain when you are corrected.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#150310 Sep 6, 2013
Believer wrote:
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I don't mean to beat a dead horse here, but for a minute, pretend you are talking to your mom or grandmother, or older sister.... ;o )
Make it simple (no big scientific terms). How did whales that live only in the ocean evolve from land mammals that live only on land that evolved from reptiles that live on land that evolved from amphibians that live in water and land that evolved from fish that live only in water?
Seems to me there is a missing link between the land mammal and the ocean mammal. Is that what you are still looking for a fossil for (a man/whale kind of thing).:-/
The ancestor of whales was a mammal that initial lived mostly on the land. Its progeny lived more and more in the ocean, continually evolving. We can observe the blow hole of whales evolving in the fossils of its ancestors. We can also see that motion repeated in its embryos:

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/arti...

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#150311 Sep 6, 2013
Believer

Manchester, TN

#150312 Sep 6, 2013
Everyone must be out to lunch now. Have a good rest of the day!

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#150313 Sep 6, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
This:
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And this:
<quoted text>
Are quite contradictory.
Oh? Not in Realityland.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#150314 Sep 6, 2013
Believer wrote:
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Could someone explain the evolution of evolution as it relates to two sexes evolving (male with male reproductive organs and female with female reproductive organs) and how evolution of those species ceased and the male/female reproduction process took over?
This may sound like a stupid question to a scientist/biologist. If it is a stupid question, someone must have an intelligent explanation as to why it would be considered stupid.
(Sounds like I'm throwing myself under the stupid bus before one of you do.)
Google "synapsid."
Godlust

Champaign, IL

#150315 Sep 6, 2013
One way or another wrote:
Man is so stupid, that he is stripping the planet of its natural resources,poisoning its air, ground and water and over populating the planet, to where he will very likely destroy all.
Lol, evolving to the destruction of all! Morons
Humans are on a collision course with extinction. Take the Bible for instance, a manmade fable, a fantasy world......and look around they are kil65ing each other for what....Something that doesnt exist except in their learned human behavior world. Or, they came from a rib or apes or comet dust.....dont fear the truth!
HTS

Mandan, ND

#150316 Sep 6, 2013
Believer wrote:
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I don't mean to beat a dead horse here, but for a minute, pretend you are talking to your mom or grandmother, or older sister.... ;o )
Make it simple (no big scientific terms). How did whales that live only in the ocean evolve from land mammals that live only on land that evolved from reptiles that live on land that evolved from amphibians that live in water and land that evolved from fish that live only in water?
Seems to me there is a missing link between the land mammal and the ocean mammal. Is that what you are still looking for a fossil for (a man/whale kind of thing).:-/
To go from point A to point B, there must be a midway point that will have to be crossed.
No conceptual functional intermediates exist midway between a land mammal and a whale.

You will simply be accused of incredulity and/or lack of imagination.

Be prepared to be ridiculed for your lack of faith in the evo-fairy.
HTS

Mandan, ND

#150317 Sep 6, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
<quoted text>
Google "synapsid."
Nice dodge, LowellGuy.

How did tail flukes evolve?
How did echolocation evolve?
How did superior intelligence and complex social integration evolve?
How did migratory instincts evolve?
How did a blowhole evolve?
How did live birth underwater evolve?
How did the ability to suspend respiration evolve?
How did the herbivore/carnivore transition evolve?

I already know your simplistic answer... mutations + natural selection + millions of years.....

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#150318 Sep 6, 2013
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>
To go from point A to point B, there must be a midway point that will have to be crossed.
No conceptual functional intermediates exist midway between a land mammal and a whale.
You will simply be accused of incredulity and/or lack of imagination.
Be prepared to be ridiculed for your lack of faith in the evo-fairy.
And yet the link I supplied had several "functional intermediates" even though How's That for Stupid is apt to deny it.

Not only that we can see the evolution of the blow hole repeated in embryology, a particularly sore subject with HST, in fact it leaves him butt sore every time he confronts it.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#150319 Sep 6, 2013
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>

How did a blowhole evolve?
You mean you gave me bad judgements and did not look at the links I gave.

How's That for Stupid.
How did the herbivore/carnivore transition evolve?
What transition? The land based animal that the whale evolved from was a carnivore. Have you been watching too much Kent Hovind again?
I already know your simplistic answer... mutations + natural selection + millions of years.....
Rather simplistic, but correct.

What do you have to support your beliefs? Do you have any scientific evidence at all for creationism? I seriously doubt it.

“Evil Atheist :-)”

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#150320 Sep 6, 2013
Believer wrote:
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I don't mean to beat a dead horse here, but for a minute, pretend you are talking to your mom or grandmother, or older sister.... ;o )
Make it simple (no big scientific terms). How did whales that live only in the ocean evolve from land mammals that live only on land that evolved from reptiles that live on land that evolved from amphibians that live in water and land that evolved from fish that live only in water?
Seems to me there is a missing link between the land mammal and the ocean mammal. Is that what you are still looking for a fossil for (a man/whale kind of thing).:-/
Sea otters, Sea lions and seals (though not related to whales) show how whales might have evolved from land animals through intermediate stages.

“Evil Atheist :-)”

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#150321 Sep 6, 2013
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice dodge, LowellGuy.
How did tail flukes evolve?
How did echolocation evolve?
How did superior intelligence and complex social integration evolve?
How did migratory instincts evolve?
How did a blowhole evolve?
How did live birth underwater evolve?
How did the ability to suspend respiration evolve?
How did the herbivore/carnivore transition evolve?
I already know your simplistic answer... mutations + natural selection + millions of years.....
If you know the answer then why ask the question?

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#150322 Sep 6, 2013
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>
To go from point A to point B, there must be a midway point that will have to be crossed.
No conceptual functional intermediates exist midway between a land mammal and a whale.
Several, dumbass:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whale_evolution
HTS wrote:
You will simply be accused of incredulity and/or lack of imagination.
Be prepared to be ridiculed for your lack of faith in the evo-fairy.
Blah, blah, blah.

“It Is What It Is”

Level 2

Since: Jul 13

Alberta, Canada

#150323 Sep 6, 2013
Every living thing, past and present, 300 million to 1 billion species, all animals, all plants, all bacteria, all insects, all fungi, EVERYTHING that ever existed with life all came from a singled celled organism. At the count of three you will wake up from your dream. 1, 2, 3, SNAP!

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#150324 Sep 6, 2013
Believer wrote:
And, no, I don't watch TV as a general rule ( only Fox News and a FEW carefully chosen Christian programs and History/Food/travel/NGeo etc.).i.e., I don't choose to be stupid either!
Remember when I was trying to explain what "contradiction" means?

“Evil Atheist :-)”

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#150325 Sep 6, 2013
Believer wrote:
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Could someone explain the evolution of evolution as it relates to two sexes evolving (male with male reproductive organs and female with female reproductive organs) and how evolution of those species ceased and the male/female reproduction process took over?
This may sound like a stupid question to a scientist/biologist. If it is a stupid question, someone must have an intelligent explanation as to why it would be considered stupid.
(Sounds like I'm throwing myself under the stupid bus before one of you do.)
All multicellular life and much single celled life starts as a single Eukaryote cell (including you and me).

Eukaryote cells have 2 copies of DNA.
They can divide into 2 cells each with 2 copies of their DNA (Mitosis) called Diploids or into 4 cells each with 1 copy of their DNA (Meiosis) called Haploids.
When 2 Haploids meet they can combine to form a Diploid, and that is sex!(Sperm and eggs are haploid cells).
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eukaryote
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meiosis

So sex began with Eukaryotes when only singled celled life existed.

Sperm and eggs are both produced by the same cells which is why many simple creatures can change sex.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequential_herma...
The difference between them is that eggs are big and full of food whilst sperm are tiny with everything not required stripped out, a tail added and produced in vast numbers.

Why there are 2 sexes rather than just one is unclear but there's probably a statistical reason for it to work better.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#150326 Sep 6, 2013
Believer wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't mean to beat a dead horse here, but for a minute, pretend you are talking to your mom or grandmother, or older sister.... ;o )
Make it simple (no big scientific terms). How did whales that live only in the ocean evolve from land mammals that live only on land that evolved from reptiles that live on land that evolved from amphibians that live in water and land that evolved from fish that live only in water?
Seems to me there is a missing link between the land mammal and the ocean mammal. Is that what you are still looking for a fossil for (a man/whale kind of thing).:-/
Google "whale evolution."

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