Should evolution be taught in high sc...

Should evolution be taught in high school?

There are 180300 comments on the www.scientificblogging.com story from Feb 24, 2008, titled Should evolution be taught in high school?. In it, www.scientificblogging.com reports that:

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."

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The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#148544 Aug 21, 2013
One way or another wrote:
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Sorry UC, I must disagree.
But it's okay, you too can make your rats happy and stop them from urinating all over your toes by buying JIMBO'S HAPPY PET CARPET TACKS!!!

:-D

“ad victoriam”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#148546 Aug 21, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Speaking of which, we have things like this:
http://sifter.berkeley.edu/
Uses evolutionary algorithms to predict protein function with 96% accuracy. Maybe we should ask Cowboy how the IDC version is doing. Last I heard their percentage was a big fat juicy zero.
Agreed and understanding such things is withing reasoning , with help from programing as such, and with help from such.

http://www.cumc.columbia.edu/humangenetics/ce...

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#148547 Aug 21, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Maybe you should try reading the article. It is not from anti-science creationists, it is from The Scientist Magazine.
And I am not saying it is or isn't broken. I found the article interesting.
I have. Many times. Literally every creationist who tries to argue against science and the scientific method trots out that same solitary piece, as though it proves that the peer review process is a wholly faulty and failed process.
Level 6

Since: Aug 07

Miami, FL

#148548 Aug 21, 2013
The Holiday Model describes a mechanism for meiosis prophase I recombination. But still, pretty crude and disappointing level of understanding.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holliday_junctio...
Level 6

Since: Aug 07

Miami, FL

#148549 Aug 21, 2013
This paper seems to address some of the issues I'm concerned with:

"Positive regulation of meiotic DNA double-strand break formation by activation of the DNA damage checkpoint kinase Mec1(ATR)"

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3...

“May you be at peace.”

Since: Nov 07

Mars

#148550 Aug 21, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
The Holiday Model describes a mechanism for meiosis prophase I recombination. But still, pretty crude and disappointing level of understanding.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =BhJf9MHHmc4XX
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holliday_junctio...

How can you tell that from a youtube video?

You do understand that everything on youtube has been dumbed down for the average viewer.

No peer review on youtube.



“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#148551 Aug 21, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
The Holiday Model describes a mechanism for meiosis prophase I recombination. But still, pretty crude and disappointing level of understanding.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =BhJf9MHHmc4XX
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holliday_junctio...
No matter how little we understand about any particular subject, our ignorance will never be evidence for "God did it with magic." EVER.

“It is what it is”

Level 5

Since: Mar 13

Location hidden

#148552 Aug 21, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Your article does not support your claim. The author of it points out that there may be too many people submitting articles to peer reviewed journals. He doesn't seem to like it.
1. I made no claim. Just posted an article.
2. If you look back about 6 posts Dodgen and I already stated that yes the numbers of so many being submitted hinder it. Get caught up Sub.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#148553 Aug 22, 2013
Worthington wrote:
Would have a God involved in the day to day operation of the cosmos, have created Negroes and cockroaches?
Okay, Worthington. We get it.

You're a racist.

You've posted this sentence a dozen times or so, and have failed to get traction each time.

Unless you have something intelligent to say, please keep your bigotry to yourself.

You bore us.
Mugwump

Luton, UK

#148554 Aug 22, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Okay, Worthington. We get it.
You're a racist.
You've posted this sentence a dozen times or so, and have failed to get traction each time.
Unless you have something intelligent to say, please keep your bigotry to yourself.
You bore us.
Seconded
Level 6

Since: Aug 07

Miami, FL

#148555 Aug 22, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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No matter how little we understand about any particular subject, our ignorance will never be evidence for "God did it with magic." EVER.
You really enjoy the mocking aspect of *magic*, don't you? Nice. The Bible uses words like "created", "formed", and "made". Do they sound like words describing what a magician does? Is magic really the right choice of words? If God made us by methods we don't yet understand, does that make it magic? Do you keep saying this simply for it's derogatory value? Have you ever put any thought behind it? Or is it just the evotard mandate to be repeated over and over mindlessly as if by a zombie?
Level 6

Since: Aug 07

Miami, FL

#148556 Aug 22, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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Okay, Worthington. We get it.
You're a racist.
You've posted this sentence a dozen times or so, and have failed to get traction each time.
Unless you have something intelligent to say, please keep your bigotry to yourself.
You bore us.
You guys are the biggest religious bigots on the planet. Pot calling the kettle black.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#148557 Aug 22, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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You really enjoy the mocking aspect of *magic*, don't you? Nice. The Bible uses words like "created", "formed", and "made". Do they sound like words describing what a magician does? Is magic really the right choice of words? If God made us by methods we don't yet understand, does that make it magic? Do you keep saying this simply for it's derogatory value? Have you ever put any thought behind it? Or is it just the evotard mandate to be repeated over and over mindlessly as if by a zombie?
It doesn't matter. Our ignorance of anything never supports your God claims. That, by definition, would be an argument from ignorance, and you surely agree that if one resorts to logical fallacies, one has lost. Do you disagree? Do you think an argument from ignorance is valid support for your God claims?

“GOD ALMIGHTY”

Since: Aug 12

Colchester, UK

#148558 Aug 22, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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There is no 'Orion Galaxy'.
There are MANY galaxy's within the general direction we define by the stars that make up the constellation of Orion.
There are a number of nebula within Orion.
But no 'Orion Galaxy'.
we are in the galaxy of Orion its proven fact
the stars in orion constellation share our space
the star from another
constellation belong to another galaxy -
its how the universe works.
the Hindus are right when they say that we should turn back time
to the stars like cutting through layers of an onion
in fact we should pull back the layers
of the onion to reveal the true nature of orion.

Level 6

Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#148559 Aug 22, 2013
the dark lord wrote:
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we are in the galaxy of Orion its proven fact
the stars in orion constellation share our space
the star from another
constellation belong to another galaxy -
its how the universe works.
the Hindus are right when they say that we should turn back time
to the stars like cutting through layers of an onion
in fact we should pull back the layers
of the onion to reveal the true nature of orion.
No. Anytjing you can see in the sky that looks like a star is within our own galaxy, the Milky Way. All the constellations of the night sky are collections of stars within our galaxy. Orion is a tiny collection of nearby stars in the Milky Way.

“See how you are?”

Level 5

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#148560 Aug 22, 2013
the dark lord wrote:
<quoted text>
we are in the galaxy of Orion its proven fact
the stars in orion constellation share our space
the star from another
constellation belong to another galaxy -
its how the universe works.
the Hindus are right when they say that we should turn back time
to the stars like cutting through layers of an onion
in fact we should pull back the layers
of the onion to reveal the true nature of orion.
You do realize that constellations are actual objects and that if looked at from another direction the groups of stars would bear no resemblance whatsoever to what we see from Earth? That is the "true nature" of Orion. It's how perspective works.
We live in the Milky Way galaxy and the stars that make up the constellation Orion are only your kind of "special" to your kind of "special" mind. Other tinfoil hatters think the Pleiades are all that.. maybe the Orionites and the Taurusoids can get a convention going.

“See how you are?”

Level 5

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#148561 Aug 22, 2013
Correction: "You do realize that constellations are NOT actual objects..."

Level 6

Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#148562 Aug 22, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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You really enjoy the mocking aspect of *magic*, don't you? Nice. The Bible uses words like "created", "formed", and "made". Do they sound like words describing what a magician does? Is magic really the right choice of words? If God made us by methods we don't yet understand, does that make it magic? Do you keep saying this simply for it's derogatory value? Have you ever put any thought behind it? Or is it just the evotard mandate to be repeated over and over mindlessly as if by a zombie?
MAGIC is our shorthand for violation of the known natural laws of nature.

You may find it contemptuous and perhaps it is. It reflects a rational contempt for those who rush to fill in every blank with godidit as if that answers the question instead of having the honesty to say we dont know and lets try to find out.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#148563 Aug 22, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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The Holiday Model describes a mechanism
Creo's have a holiday model for when they do science. They put science on permanent holiday.
Urban Cowboy wrote:
You really enjoy the mocking aspect of *magic*, don't you? Nice. The Bible uses words like "created", "formed", and "made". Do they sound like words describing what a magician does? Is magic really the right choice of words? If God made us by methods we don't yet understand, does that make it magic?
Yes. A magician makes, forms or creates a rabbit inside of his hat. I dunno how he does it.(shrug)

Must have been magic then.

The difference we can observe magicians pulling rabbits out of a hat.
Urban Cowboy wrote:
Do you keep saying this simply for it's derogatory value? Have you ever put any thought behind it? Or is it just the evotard mandate to be repeated over and over mindlessly as if by a zombie?
Yes, we understand that you're whining that your invisible Jewmagic can't compete with reality. Wanna stop looking stupid? Stop promoting anti-science BS.
Level 6

Since: Aug 07

Arlington, VA

#148564 Aug 22, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Creo's have a holiday model for when they do science. They put science on permanent holiday.
<quoted text>
Yes. A magician makes, forms or creates a rabbit inside of his hat. I dunno how he does it.(shrug)
Must have been magic then.
The difference we can observe magicians pulling rabbits out of a hat.
<quoted text>
Yes, we understand that you're whining that your invisible Jewmagic can't compete with reality. Wanna stop looking stupid? Stop promoting anti-science BS.
Sorry, but you're the one saying stupid things all the time. When are you going to go crawl back under your rock? After you've vented some of that pent-up bigotry and hatred off your chest? Retard.

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