Should evolution be taught in high sc...

Should evolution be taught in high school?

There are 180388 comments on the www.scientificblogging.com story from Feb 24, 2008, titled Should evolution be taught in high school?. In it, www.scientificblogging.com reports that:

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."

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#148249 Aug 19, 2013
Believer wrote:
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He does require Faith. Because something doesn't make sense to us doesn't necessarily mean it isn't true.
Or, as you say, what does makes sense to us isn't necessarily true.
We do not decide Truth. Jesus was the Way, the Truth, and the Life that brings us to the Father (God/The Holy Trinity).

Trinity is not an original Christian concept. It does not appear in any Christian writing till about 270 a.d.

There are definitely things in the Bible that are not true. Or, I should say, not LITERALLY true.




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#148250 Aug 19, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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NOmoron, he said it was a false analogy youIDIOT. Go back and read it again. Why are you so stupid all of the time?

It is a false analogy. Go back and read it again. Why are you so stupid all of the time?

And take some deep breaths.

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#148251 Aug 19, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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The powers that be get to reign 8 years, then become powerful lobbyist is the background, making 10+ times the money they made while in office.
Money and power control America now, we as citizens, don't have much say nor do we have as many freedoms as one is taught to believe.
The 2 verses I posted are showing that God puts leaders in office and Satan controls them. I'll find a 2nd verse showing God puts leaders in office.

I think you skipped over the point.

We have more freedom and power today than a large body of citizens have ever had in history.

And you make it sound like God and Satan are in collaboration. Which according to Job they are, but that is another story.

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#148252 Aug 19, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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I regard the whole notion of blood - whether animal, human, or the Son of God - "atoning for sin" as rather ridiculous and primitive and more than a little repulsive.
The only atonement for sin is to feel genuine regret and try to put it right. And if its a sin that cannot be put right, only the forgiveness of those sinned against can mitigate it, and that is optional on their part.
Sometimes there is no way out. You did what you did. Live with it.
And the idea that you can sin against God is ridiculous too. If there is God then nothing you could do could harm Him. The only sins that count are those against other humans and perhaps animals, because they are the only sentient creatures you can actually harm.

Sin (to miss the mark) seems to have been an idea to protect people from themselves and others. A society without 'sin' would have few problems, at least in theory. But (in reality) people are MORE likely to do something if you forbid them from doing it than if you never brought it up.
imagine2011

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#148253 Aug 19, 2013
Hi
Dogen wrote:
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Yes. I have known some that were very functional,... at times. John Nash, Ph.D. comes to mind. Schizophrenia seems to be somewhat cyclical in that, even without medications, there are periods when they are better and periods when they are worse.
This issue goes right to my own questioning that Hitler had paranoid schizophrenia, however. Clearly he was paranoid and clearly he had grandiose delusions. But the two do not add up to a Dx of Schizophrenia - Paranoid type. Today we have ways of rating symptom severity and if Hitler had any schizophrenia it was very mild.
I am more a fan of Hitler, not so much having one overwhelming mental illness, but rather of being a cornucopia of symptoms of a variety of illnesses. Anxiety, depression,(at times mania), delusions, narcissism, low self esteem, sexual dysfunction, psychosomatic illnesses....
He also had to try to integrate major contradictions such as hating all things Jewish and being 1/4th Jewish himself.
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They might have had something more like schizo-affective disorder. They often present well on the upswing of their mood cycle but can be a mess on the other side. People with paranoia (schizophrenia or not) tend to be very medication resistant. You can guess why.
Hitler looks Jewish to me. I've heard 2 sides of the 1/4th rumor, that he was and that he wasn't.

I need to know, is there a specific medication, you would suggest, for narcissism combined with mild bi-polar, and chronic Hyperactivity disorder, also mild OCD? His nickname at work is "Roadrunner".

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#148254 Aug 19, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Yeah right. All you can do is lie about it and can't possible refute it. That means I'm right retard.

We have refuted it many times. You just do your hand wave thing, disappear for a few days and claim it never happened.

Why would we be impressed by that? You think we don't know what your doing?
imagine2011

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#148255 Aug 19, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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And you make it sound like God and Satan are in collaboration. Which according to Job they are, but that is another story.
All satan wants to do is never ending evil.

God made satan, he rebelled, so God uses him for His purposes.

God has a plan, we must live by it and accept it.

...and you're right, this is a very deep subject that requires lots of time to debate.

“I am Sisyphus”

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#148256 Aug 19, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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How ridiculous!
I am bashing evotardism not science! I love science and study it everyday. I took a text book on celluar biology on vacation with me. You saying I bash science is totaly false and absurd.
I know it seems impossible to you (being a nonbeliever), but there really are no significant errors in the Bible - none that I have seen anyway. That is because God, the creator of the universe, inspired it. If He can create us and all the magnificent life on Earth and all the stars in the universe, He can certainly manage to provide an error-free Bible.

Evolution is a branch of science (biology). It is actually the organizational cornerstone and one of the two pillars of biology (along with genetics).

The Bible has many scientific errors.
1. 6 day creation vs real science (13.8 billion years).
2. Created Kinds vs. real science (evolution of species).
3. Global flood vs. genetic and geological impossibility of flood story being true.

That is just the first few chapters of Genesis.

“I am Sisyphus”

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#148257 Aug 19, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
Hi<quoted text> Hitler looks Jewish to me. I've heard 2 sides of the 1/4th rumor, that he was and that he wasn't.

This isn't 100% certain. DNA tests on Hitler's relatives were inconclusive. He certainly had Haplogroup E1b1b1 which would be consistent with (but not conclusive proof of) Sephardic Jewish decent.

Hitler also either believe he was part Jewish or at least that others would claim he was as he consulted with his lawyer about this and "Hitler was sufficiently worried about the whole business that, according to the historian John Toland, he had the Nazi law defining Jewishness written to exclude Jesus Christ and himself."

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/797/...
imagine2011 wrote:
Hi<quoted text> I need to know, is there a specific medication, you would suggest, for narcissism combined with mild bi-polar, and chronic Hyperactivity disorder, also mild OCD? His nickname at work is "Roadrunner".

I am not a M.D., but Seroquel comes to mind. It really depends on which symptoms are the worst.

NEVER USE SSRI/SNRI's ON BIPOLAR D/O!

Not unless it is the 4th of July.

I also use the word 'never' when it comes to throwing a late pass, to the center of the field, against a rotating zone defense.

Other than those two times I NEVER say NEVER.

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#148258 Aug 19, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Yeah right. All you can do is lie about it and can't possible refute it. That means I'm right retard.
Wrong again turd. We have given specific examples. Your claim has been refuted more than once.

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#148259 Aug 19, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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How ridiculous!
I am bashing evotardism not science! I love science and study it everyday. I took a text book on celluar biology on vacation with me. You saying I bash science is totaly false and absurd.
I know it seems impossible to you (being a nonbeliever), but there really are no significant errors in the Bible - none that I have seen anyway. That is because God, the creator of the universe, inspired it. If He can create us and all the magnificent life on Earth and all the stars in the universe, He can certainly manage to provide an error-free Bible.
I love it. The claim has gone from no errors to "no significant errors". Forget the Adam and Eve myth, how about the Noah's Ark myth. Is that a significant error or not. Not to mention the countless contradictions, bad morals, failed prophecies and the list goes on.
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#148260 Aug 19, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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It is a false analogy. Go back and read it again. Why are you so stupid all of the time?
And take some deep breaths.
Now you are flipping and doing an about-face and lying about it. Nice job dogshit. You have achieved 100% complete dishonesty.

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#148261 Aug 19, 2013
Believer wrote:
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He does require Faith. Because something doesn't make sense to us doesn't necessarily mean it isn't true.
Or, as you say, what does makes sense to us isn't necessarily true.
We do not decide Truth. Jesus was the Way, the Truth, and the Life that brings us to the Father (God/The Holy Trinity).
That in a NUTshell is the difference between your deciding to believe your "Truth" and the plain truth.

Isn't it also your "Truth" that the entire planet was flooded beneath thousands of feet of water 4500ish years ago - which obviously didn't happen?
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#148262 Aug 19, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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I love it. The claim has gone from no errors to "no significant errors". Forget the Adam and Eve myth, how about the Noah's Ark myth. Is that a significant error or not. Not to mention the countless contradictions, bad morals, failed prophecies and the list goes on.
Oh, but you can't prove it, right? So I am right afterall, aren't I? Dipshit.

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#148263 Aug 19, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Oh, but you can't prove it, right? So I am right afterall, aren't I? Dipshit.
So did the miracle of the casting of the fishing nets happen before or after Jesus resurrection?

Luke 5:
4 Now when he had left speaking, he said unto Simon, Launch out into the deep, and let down your nets for a draught.
5 And Simon answering said unto him, Master, we have toiled all the night, and have taken nothing: nevertheless at thy word I will let down the net.
6 And when they had this done, they inclosed a great multitude of fishes: and their net brake.
7 And they beckoned unto their partners, which were in the other ship, that they should come and help them. And they came, and filled both the ships, so that they began to sink.

John 21:
3 Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing. They say unto him, We also go with thee. They went forth, and entered into a ship immediately; and that night they caught nothing.
4 But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: but the disciples knew not that it was Jesus.
5 Then Jesus saith unto them, Children, have ye any meat? They answered him, No.
6 And he said unto them, Cast the net on the right side of the ship, and ye shall find. They cast therefore, and now they were not able to draw it for the multitude of fishes.

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#148264 Aug 19, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Oh, but you can't prove it, right? So I am right afterall, aren't I? Dipshit.
I can prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.

And as usual the cockbite is wrong.

Level 9

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#148265 Aug 19, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Oh, but you can't prove it, right? So I am right afterall, aren't I? Dipshit.
In fact I will give one example for free.

According to the Bible it is perfectly fine to rape a young unmarried woman as long as you pay her father 50 sheckels after the fact and marry her.

Are those good morals or bad?

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Since: Mar 09

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#148266 Aug 19, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Typical flesh-eating evotarded voodoo darwin zombee nonsense.
You're the one worshipping a zombie.

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#148267 Aug 19, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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I regard the whole notion of blood - whether animal, human, or the Son of God - "atoning for sin" as rather ridiculous and primitive and more than a little repulsive.
The only atonement for sin is to feel genuine regret and try to put it right. And if its a sin that cannot be put right, only the forgiveness of those sinned against can mitigate it, and that is optional on their part.
Sometimes there is no way out. You did what you did. Live with it.
And the idea that you can sin against God is ridiculous too. If there is God then nothing you could do could harm Him. The only sins that count are those against other humans and perhaps animals, because they are the only sentient creatures you can actually harm.
It begs the question: if blood would satisfy God in the past, why would an unchanging God no longer be satisfied by blood?

“I am Sisyphus”

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#148268 Aug 19, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Now you are flipping and doing an about-face and lying about it. Nice job dogshit. You have achieved 100% complete dishonesty.

Try reading next time. Nice job dogshit. You have achieved 100% complete dishonesty.


Dogen wrote:
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It is a false analogy. Go back and read it again. Why are you so stupid all of the time?
And take some deep breaths.

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