Should evolution be taught in high sc...

Should evolution be taught in high school?

There are 180369 comments on the www.scientificblogging.com story from Feb 24, 2008, titled Should evolution be taught in high school?. In it, www.scientificblogging.com reports that:

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."

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Believer

Manchester, TN

#142453 Jul 16, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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Other Christians say God IS just and righteous, and everything he declares just and righteous IS just and righteous by definition, so those Christians say that a lifelong child rapist would be accepted into Heaven if he repented on his deathbed and accepted Jesus Christ as his lord and savior. Why is YOUR version of God correct and THEIR version of God incorrect? Be sure to show your work, rather than just relying on your own personal preferences. Thanks in advance for a whole lot of nothing.
You are either very narrow minded or have a problem with understanding how some of us use the English language to express thought or make a point.
Of course I believe Jehovah God/ YahWeh is JUST and RIGHTEOUS and HOLY "by definition." For you to imply that my comment meant otherwise is dishonest and childish. I phrased the question as I did because I was trying to avoid your annoying habit of using your self-righteous attitude to make the question irrelevant because YOU don't believe it is relevant (since it refers to something you probably don't believe exists (Heaven and Hell).
We see only a tiny brush stroke in a huge picture. What we do see, however, is the underlying message that will someday make the total picture make sense to us.
What we see without seeing the whole picture, we must accept by Faith in the God who is the Creator and understands and will ultimately take control of all things in Heaven and on Earth. In His time, not ours!
I do not answer your foolish questions in an attempt to convince you of anything. I do so knowing that you are going to ridicule and twist my words. You may have already passed the time when you would be able to understand the concept of a Loving, Holy Creator; or maybe you just continue in your pride and self-righteousness by choice.
Either way you are the one who chooses your destiny. If there is a Hell (whatever it may be) and if you do end up there, you will have no reason to doubt that it was 100% your choice.
One way or another

United States

#142454 Jul 16, 2013
The problem the people in concrete face, will hit them many times quicker, causing catastrophic failure, because they don't understand.

They must believe that roman concrete is much superior to modern concrete, but in the wrong situations, the failures will happen within 10's of years.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#142455 Jul 16, 2013
Believer wrote:
<quoted text>
You are either very narrow minded or have a problem with understanding how some of us use the English language to express thought or make a point.
Of course I believe Jehovah God/ YahWeh is JUST and RIGHTEOUS and HOLY "by definition." For you to imply that my comment meant otherwise is dishonest and childish. I phrased the question as I did because I was trying to avoid your annoying habit of using your self-righteous attitude to make the question irrelevant because YOU don't believe it is relevant (since it refers to something you probably don't believe exists (Heaven and Hell).
We see only a tiny brush stroke in a huge picture. What we do see, however, is the underlying message that will someday make the total picture make sense to us.
What we see without seeing the whole picture, we must accept by Faith in the God who is the Creator and understands and will ultimately take control of all things in Heaven and on Earth. In His time, not ours!
I do not answer your foolish questions in an attempt to convince you of anything. I do so knowing that you are going to ridicule and twist my words. You may have already passed the time when you would be able to understand the concept of a Loving, Holy Creator; or maybe you just continue in your pride and self-righteousness by choice.
Either way you are the one who chooses your destiny. If there is a Hell (whatever it may be) and if you do end up there, you will have no reason to doubt that it was 100% your choice.
You mischaracterize what I said, then you build a whole argument against that mischaracterization. Good for you. You just kicked a strawman's ass.
Believer

Manchester, TN

#142456 Jul 16, 2013
MikeF wrote:
<quoted text>
You really need to make up your mind.
So you are saying that to believe in evolution in any way one must believe the "whole ball of wax."
I think I remember the caterpillar to butterfly described as metamorphosis .( I have admitted, I am not well educated in scientific theory.)
I suppose I could google it, but am I incorrect in thinking that metamorphosis is similar or a type of evolving from one stage of life to another?
And the creatures that live in darkness and never develop the ability to see, or have "devolved" to not being able to see...is that not a part of the evolution or reverse process?
My mind is made up about God. If I were to try to explain all the reasons, you would have a smorgasbord and some would have a field day of ridicule. Maybe I will start a new discussion for the personal experiences/ reasons people believe in God.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#142457 Jul 16, 2013
One way or another wrote:
I know why some roman concrete has lasted for thousands of years, while other roman concrete failed.
The scientists claim not to know.
Is concrete part of the Jewish conspiracy, too?

“Do not bend, fold, staple or”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

mutilate. Point down range.

#142458 Jul 16, 2013
Believer wrote:
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Of course I have no reason or right not to accept that someone believes in God or believes that there may be a God.
I accept the theory of evolution and that God is the intelligence behind it. I don't accept that man evolved from the lowest form of life to what we are now by any means. Whether you take the Genesis story literally or whether you think God allowed it to be an illustration of something that would otherwise be too complex for the human mind to understand (like if God is love, how and why does evil exist and the story of Eve talking to a serpent), I find it hard to believe one could take such an angry and self- righteous approach to the Bible (as some here do) and believe in the God of the Bible.
A simple No would have been sufficient.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#142459 Jul 16, 2013
Believer wrote:
<quoted text>
So you are saying that to believe in evolution in any way one must believe the "whole ball of wax."
If you're going to say you accept the theory of evolution then yes.
Believer wrote:
I think I remember the caterpillar to butterfly described as metamorphosis .( I have admitted, I am not well educated in scientific theory.)
I suppose I could google it, but am I incorrect in thinking that metamorphosis is similar or a type of evolving from one stage of life to another?
Only as a vague sort of analogy.
Believer wrote:
And the creatures that live in darkness and never develop the ability to see, or have "devolved" to not being able to see...is that not a part of the evolution or reverse process?
No such thing as 'devolved' but essentially you are correct.
Believer wrote:
My mind is made up about God. If I were to try to explain all the reasons, you would have a smorgasbord and some would have a field day of ridicule. Maybe I will start a new discussion for the personal experiences/ reasons people believe in
God.
In the Religious forum, I would hope.

“Do not bend, fold, staple or”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

mutilate. Point down range.

#142460 Jul 16, 2013
Believer wrote:
<quoted text>
So you are saying that to believe in evolution in any way one must believe the "whole ball of wax."
I think I remember the caterpillar to butterfly described as metamorphosis .( I have admitted, I am not well educated in scientific theory.)
I suppose I could google it, but am I incorrect in thinking that metamorphosis is similar or a type of evolving from one stage of life to another?
And the creatures that live in darkness and never develop the ability to see, or have "devolved" to not being able to see...is that not a part of the evolution or reverse process?
My mind is made up about God. If I were to try to explain all the reasons, you would have a smorgasbord and some would have a field day of ridicule. Maybe I will start a new discussion for the personal experiences/ reasons people believe in God.
Yes. Evolution covers all life or it makes no sense.

You are not the first to confuse metamorphosis with evolution, but they are not the same thing. Both involve change to an organism, but that is pretty much where the similarity ends. Metamorphosis is programmed in the DNA of the animals that go through the process and there is a direction with an endpoint. Evolution has no set program or specific endpoint. It goes were selection and genetic drift take it. It did develop through evolution, but it is not evolution.

You can kinda sorta accept evolution for the rest of life, but you just can't bring yourself to understand that mankind is an animal that has evolved under the same conditions as everything else. It is just too icky for you.

Animals that live in caves have evolved to their present condition. Many obligate cave dwellers have become highly adapted to life in a constant temperature, high relative humidity and near or total darkness. These adaptations include reduced or lost structures such as eyes and pigmentation. They are not "devolved", but more highly evolved. Under the right conditions these organisms could adapt to changing conditions and evolve pigmentation or eyes again. These changes could have a whole new point of origin from the previous traits. As a process, evolution is irreversible.

“May you be at peace.”

Since: Nov 07

Mars

#142461 Jul 16, 2013
One way or another wrote:
The anti-American group of
mike F,
Lowell guy,
chimney,
aura mytha,
subduction zone,
dogen,
Dan from smithville,
the dude,
mugwump
They have never offered anything of value or new. They simply use the copy and paste their schools taught, because schools don't teach anything else, as all will know.
Its plenty ok to copy and paste, but as an entire group offers nothing of value, they can't possibly judge if anything has merit, if its new or different , while they rely on the poor, flat earth thinking, promoted as law, when that proof does not exist, but like everything else for them, they hate what they cannot know and refuse to care or learn.

Can I cut and paste your diagnosis and the diagnostic criteria for your illness?

“May you be at peace.”

Since: Nov 07

Mars

#142462 Jul 16, 2013
One way or another wrote:
Gravity
Original work
Jim Ryan
Supported by evidence.......

Evidence in this case being defined as grandiose delusions that bear no perceivable relationship to reality.

“May you be at peace.”

Since: Nov 07

Mars

#142463 Jul 16, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>Have I always been in seventh place?

What do you expect from a cut and paste moron who has nothing sane to add.

“May you be at peace.”

Since: Nov 07

Mars

#142464 Jul 16, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
At least YOU were included.....<sniff>

Hey, how did he miss you? You are just as much an unamerican, cut-and-paste-moron with nothing new to add as any of the rest of us!

Jimbo, I demand you recognize Kong's cut-and-paste moron status immediately!

“May you be at peace.”

Since: Nov 07

Mars

#142465 Jul 16, 2013
Believer wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course I have no reason or right not to accept that someone believes in God or believes that there may be a God.
I accept the theory of evolution and that God is the intelligence behind it. I don't accept that man evolved from the lowest form of life to what we are now by any means. Whether you take the Genesis story literally or whether you think God allowed it to be an illustration of something that would otherwise be too complex for the human mind to understand (like if God is love, how and why does evil exist and the story of Eve talking to a serpent), I find it hard to believe one could take such an angry and self- righteous approach to the Bible (as some here do) and believe in the God of the Bible.

You are trying to pick and choose what you want to believe. In the universe in which we live (the presumably god created) has the capacity for life-ing and evolution. Every material thing (including energy) formed as a result of the Big Bang.

An activist God is not necessary to explain anything after that point (at the latest).

“May you be at peace.”

Since: Nov 07

Mars

#142466 Jul 16, 2013
One way or another wrote:
How pyramids built
New science by Jim Ryan 5/31/2013 on Topix
The pyramids were built from the inside out. The first course of block were laid, with the entrance lower than the first course of block. Then they built wooden tripods with ropes and pulleys, hoisting the block to the first level, where they were swung onto logs and rolled into place. Each section from there to the top should easily be understood.
As the smartest people say, leave no stone unturned!

The Pyramid builders did not have pullies. The first use of the pulley was not invented till over 2,000 years later by a dude named Archimedes (of "Eureka" and bathtub fame).

“May you be at peace.”

Since: Nov 07

Mars

#142467 Jul 16, 2013
One way or another wrote:
I know why some roman concrete has lasted for thousands of years, while other roman concrete failed.
The scientists claim not to know.

False.

They claim it was due to the mixture of lyme and volcanic ash immersed in seawater.

“The Romans made concrete by mixing lime and volcanic rock. For underwater structures, lime and volcanic ash were mixed to form mortar, and this mortar and volcanic tuff were packed into wooden forms. The seawater instantly triggered a hot chemical reaction. The lime was hydrated—incorporating water molecules into its structure—and reacted with the ash to cement the whole mixture together.”

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-06-...

“May you be at peace.”

Since: Nov 07

Mars

#142468 Jul 16, 2013
Believer wrote:
<quoted text>
So you are saying that to believe in evolution in any way one must believe the "whole ball of wax."
I think I remember the caterpillar to butterfly described as metamorphosis .( I have admitted, I am not well educated in scientific theory.)
I suppose I could google it, but am I incorrect in thinking that metamorphosis is similar or a type of evolving from one stage of life to another?
And the creatures that live in darkness and never develop the ability to see, or have "devolved" to not being able to see...is that not a part of the evolution or reverse process?
My mind is made up about God. If I were to try to explain all the reasons, you would have a smorgasbord and some would have a field day of ridicule. Maybe I will start a new discussion for the personal experiences/ reasons people believe in God.

Correct, you would be mistaken.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#142469 Jul 16, 2013
Dogen wrote:
<quoted text>Hey, how did he miss you? You are just as much an unamerican, cut-and-paste-moron with nothing new to add as any of the rest of us!

Jimbo, I demand you recognize Kong's cut-and-paste moron status immediately!
I appreciate you guys including me with the dregs of society that we are!
Believer

Manchester, TN

#142470 Jul 16, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
<quoted text>
Coward.
You know that there is an act known as honor killing.
You know that this act occurs.
You refuse to say if such an act is evil.
Or, do you not know that there is such an act and that they occur? Is that the case? Are you just that ignorant? Here, let me make sure you're up to speed with the rest of the class: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing
Now, is honor killing evil?
I think the term "honor killing" is an oxyMORON! You of all people should see that as an answer to your foolish question! I don't have to go to your link to know the meaning of the term. Just because there is a term out there doesn't mean it makes any sense! That is a lesson you could stand to ponder!
Mugwump

Skegby, UK

#142471 Jul 16, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
I appreciate you guys including me with the dregs of society that we are!
And how come I am not further up the list , I'm bloody not even American !!!!

Seriously don't think he has thought this through.
Believer

Manchester, TN

#142472 Jul 16, 2013
Dogen wrote:
<quoted text>
Correct, you would be mistaken.
Care to expound, or would you prefer I get the Wikipedia definitions. Ill get back to if I'm still not satisfied that they aren't two sides of the same coin.

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