Should evolution be taught in high sc...

Should evolution be taught in high school?

There are 180394 comments on the www.scientificblogging.com story from Feb 24, 2008, titled Should evolution be taught in high school?. In it, www.scientificblogging.com reports that:

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."

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#142398 Jul 15, 2013
There is no such thing as natural selection. Everything is selected, with a bias.

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#142399 Jul 15, 2013
replaytime wrote:
I know what I think/believe but lets hear what you all think.
Do you think God created the world and life and since then we have been evolving?
Or do you think it all started from the big bang and all of life evolved from a single cell and we have been evolving since?

Neither is particularly well stated and I disagree with both of them. However, on a forced choice test I would take 'B'.

Correct answer would be secret answer 'C'.

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#142400 Jul 15, 2013
Mugwump wrote:
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It's not that he can't, he won't even attempt to defend his 'work'.
I suspect he knows deep down that his nonsense is just .. Well nonsense I guess, so he never responds to posts that show him wrong, I.e. like a good creationist he avoids peer review (though not too sure who would count as Jimbos peers - lichen perhaps?).
So ALL he has is spamtastic approach of posting, ignoring ,calling people morons, reposting , ignoring and so forth.
Have suggested that he simply collects all the links to his nonsense and posts them once a day in a single post, as it would serve the same purpose.
At least the likes of UC, Free Servant (and to a lesser extent) HTS - will argue their point - Jimbo is too much of a coward to do that.
Bit sad really

Yes, this is just angry acting out. Sort of a temper tantrum. Very sad.

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#142401 Jul 15, 2013
Mugwump wrote:
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The nephew of Jimbos mother's sister certainly is.

No need to speak in code. He does not understand even when we speak in plain English.

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#142402 Jul 15, 2013
One way or another wrote:
There is no such thing as natural selection. Everything is selected, with a bias.

? That is like saying water is not wet but then defining water AS wet.

Weird.
One way or another

United States

#142403 Jul 15, 2013
Teach as moderators

Children need the chance to speak up and out. People as a whole do not like to have what they say challenged, especially teachers that believe teaching is more of a calling and according to the media, one of sacrifice for children, in so many cases.

The system pits the pride of the teachers against the children and the system.
If children are not allowed and encouraged to speak up and out, when will they have the chance? Do you think college professors will allow these young whippersnappers to challenge them and make them look ignorant or unknowing in their domain? How about the workplace, do you think the boss is going to give them voice?

Children need to have a voice or they lash out in many different ways or they go into their shell and just do as they are told, until they lash out or hurt themselves.

Children need moderators, not teachers!!!

Just ask yourself, did school teach you to think for yourself and if so, do tell us how they did it and what they did, because so far, not one person in the world can do so. Schools teach cubicle smarts, they can't and don't teach critical thinking, problem solving or how to think in general, even though they profess to do so. Lying seems to be their best lesson and they have many believers, but almost none that can prove such.
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#142404 Jul 15, 2013
The above post I wrote, Jim Ryan

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#142405 Jul 15, 2013
One way or another wrote:
Teach as moderators
Children need the chance to speak up and out. People as a whole do not like to have what they say challenged, especially teachers that believe teaching is more of a calling and according to the media, one of sacrifice for children, in so many cases.
The system pits the pride of the teachers against the children and the system.
If children are not allowed and encouraged to speak up and out, when will they have the chance? Do you think college professors will allow these young whippersnappers to challenge them and make them look ignorant or unknowing in their domain? How about the workplace, do you think the boss is going to give them voice?
Children need to have a voice or they lash out in many different ways or they go into their shell and just do as they are told, until they lash out or hurt themselves.
Children need moderators, not teachers!!!
Just ask yourself, did school teach you to think for yourself and if so, do tell us how they did it and what they did, because so far, not one person in the world can do so. Schools teach cubicle smarts, they can't and don't teach critical thinking, problem solving or how to think in general, even though they profess to do so. Lying seems to be their best lesson and they have many believers, but almost none that can prove such.
Translation: My teachers were constantly telling me to sit down and shut up because I wouldn't sit down or shut up.- Jim Ryan
One way or another

United States

#142406 Jul 15, 2013
The science of running by Jim Ryan.

Yes, I used to run 10 miles a day for about 2 years. For whatever reason, I started counting a cadence in my head, that matched the cadence of my footfalls and my breathing, which synced body and mind, helping me to get into a trance like state, allowing me to run mile after mile without stress and the last mile I could run almost flat out.
I know they teach different things today, but give my method a try, I think you'll like it. By the way, keep your eyes focused just in front of you, on the ground.
The cadence in running I used to use was, "one two three one", " one two three two", "one two three three", and keep going.
It's a 4 count breathing in and then a 4 count breathing out.
Happy running.

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#142407 Jul 15, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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Neither is particularly well stated and I disagree with both of them. However, on a forced choice test I would take 'B'.
Correct answer would be secret answer 'C'.
Well don't be shy. Do tell your choice "C".

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#142408 Jul 15, 2013
One way or another wrote:
Teach as moderators
Children need the chance to speak up and out. People as a whole do not like to have what they say challenged, especially teachers that believe teaching is more of a calling and according to the media, one of sacrifice for children, in so many cases.
The system pits the pride of the teachers against the children and the system.
If children are not allowed and encouraged to speak up and out, when will they have the chance? Do you think college professors will allow these young whippersnappers to challenge them and make them look ignorant or unknowing in their domain? How about the workplace, do you think the boss is going to give them voice?
Children need to have a voice or they lash out in many different ways or they go into their shell and just do as they are told, until they lash out or hurt themselves.
Children need moderators, not teachers!!!
Just ask yourself, did school teach you to think for yourself and if so, do tell us how they did it and what they did, because so far, not one person in the world can do so. Schools teach cubicle smarts, they can't and don't teach critical thinking, problem solving or how to think in general, even though they profess to do so. Lying seems to be their best lesson and they have many believers, but almost none that can prove such.
The thing is anymore school (elementary, middle and high school) is all just a cheap baby sitter for the parents and a steady job for the teachers.
One way or another

United States

#142409 Jul 15, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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The thing is anymore school (elementary, middle and high school) is all just a cheap baby sitter for the parents and a steady job for the teachers.
It does teach work hardening, hate, arrogance, name calling and gives children the basics, while it teaches them to keep their mouths shut and follow orders.
Mugwump

Leeds, UK

#142410 Jul 15, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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The thing is anymore school (elementary, middle and high school) is all just a cheap baby sitter for the parents and a steady job for the teachers.
Knowing several teachers would suggest you try the job yourself.

And what do you suggest ?

Getting rid of education all together ?
Leaving it up to parents ?
Letting the kids learn it all from google?

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#142411 Jul 15, 2013
Mugwump wrote:
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Knowing several teachers would suggest you try the job yourself.
And what do you suggest ?
Getting rid of education all together ?
Leaving it up to parents ?
Letting the kids learn it all from google?
Taught for 7 years. Have several family members(nieces and nephews) and friends that still teach. It is what it is.

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#142412 Jul 15, 2013
Mugwump wrote:
<quoted text>
Knowing several teachers would suggest you try the job yourself.
And what do you suggest ?
Getting rid of education all together ?
Leaving it up to parents ?
Letting the kids learn it all from google?
What do I suggest? That is simple. Have the teachers actually teach instead of getting what they pass out off the internet. They don't teach anymore. They pull test off the internet and copy them to pas out. They write crap on the board and tell the students to study it because there will be a test on Thursday. Then it is all graded in class and curves are given for the ones that don't change their answers as they grade their own papers.
Mugwump

Leeds, UK

#142413 Jul 15, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Taught for 7 years. Have several family members(nieces and nephews) and friends that still teach. It is what it is.
Apologies,(you won't hear that often) there is a certain right-wing media bias in UK about how all teachers work 6 hours a day, get 3 month holidays and have gold-plated pensions.
replaytime wrote:
<quoted text>
What do I suggest? That is simple. Have the teachers actually teach instead of getting what they pass out off the internet. They don't teach anymore. They pull test off the internet and copy them to pas out. They write crap on the board and tell the students to study it because there will be a test on Thursday. Then it is all graded in class and curves are given for the ones that don't change their answers as they grade their own papers.
Actually not in total disagreement here - I do believe there is too much 'learning by rote' to succeed in a testing regime that has steadily increased over the last 2 decades.
However I still believe education (with its flaws) is an invaluable thing for a society and needs some structure and common curriculum across the sciences, arts , maths as well as as more 'practical' subjects that can serve the less academic.

What did you teach out of interest - and the comedy answer is 'little b@&tards'

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#142414 Jul 15, 2013
Mugwump wrote:
<quoted text>
Apologies,(you won't hear that often) there is a certain right-wing media bias in UK about how all teachers work 6 hours a day, get 3 month holidays and have gold-plated pensions.
<quoted text>
Actually not in total disagreement here - I do believe there is too much 'learning by rote' to succeed in a testing regime that has steadily increased over the last 2 decades.
However I still believe education (with its flaws) is an invaluable thing for a society and needs some structure and common curriculum across the sciences, arts , maths as well as as more 'practical' subjects that can serve the less academic.
What did you teach out of interest - and the comedy answer is 'little b@&tards'
Don't get me wrong. Education is a good thing but it used to be done better. Woodwork/Shop teacher/football coach. When I was told I needed to look the other way and pass the jocks and make grade curves to fit the class,,, That was the straw that broke the camels back and I had enough. I mean really how hard is shop class?

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#142415 Jul 15, 2013
The unknown leaves many lost without answers.

http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/myster...

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#142416 Jul 15, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Well don't be shy. Do tell your choice "C".

Choice 'C' is the correct answer, of course.

Didn't I make that clear?

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#142417 Jul 15, 2013
One way or another wrote:
Adaptation is not evolution, because evolution is one direction, while adaptation goes forwards and backwards, depending on environment and choices.
All life must adapt or die, that's why all life has the ability to adapt, depending on its own resources and abilities.
The morons in evolution claim adaptation as evolution, but the definition of adaptation says otherwise.
ad·ap·ta·tion
/&#716;adap&#712;t &#257;SH&#601;n/
Noun
The action or process of adapting or being adapted.
A movie, television drama, or stage play that has been adapted from a written work, typically a novel.
Science pretends to be too stupid to understand the difference between adaptation and evolution.
Evolution has usurped science and proof, for ignorance and hatred.
e·volve
/i&#712;välv/
Verb
Develop gradually, esp. from a simple to a more complex form.
(with reference to an organism or biological feature) Develop over successive generations, esp. as a result of natural selection.
Synonyms
develop - expand - unfold
There is no such thing as evolution.

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