Should evolution be taught in high sc...

Should evolution be taught in high school?

There are 180393 comments on the www.scientificblogging.com story from Feb 24, 2008, titled Should evolution be taught in high school?. In it, www.scientificblogging.com reports that:

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."

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“Pissing people off since 1949”

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#141881 Jul 10, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, but we were talking about laying hugh siphon conduits on the river bed and bringing the outlet away from the river downstream in places where there are no dams. They might need to be ran a few miles to get enough drop in elevation.
Have you calculated the losses of piping that far? Would those losses be greater or less than for those of high voltage transmission lines?

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I'm a racist caricature!

#141882 Jul 10, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>This could be overame by having more than one turning the shaft. If you are receiving thouands of gallons a minute, this can handle it efficiently.
Try making a scale model and see if that works.

Every time you come up with a "solution," say this to yourself. If you do it, and it works, you can patent it, sell it to the utility companies or the states, and retire a billionaire. Or, you can just assert that it works and leave it at that. But, which would prove your case better?

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#141883 Jul 10, 2013
HTS wrote:
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PE...what a load of BS. Please explain to me HOW PE actually works.How do mutations just poof into existence out of nowhere when a niche is ready to be exploited?
They don't. Mutations poof into existence all the time, in every "direction". They do not just show up when an organism needs them. The extinction rate would be far lower if they did.

Punctuated equilibrium in species change maps to punctuated equilibrium in environmental change. When a species has been in a stable environment for a long time, its already optimised for the environment. Mutations are likely to lead away from that optimum, thus variation is punished and the species is in stable equilibrium

But, change the environment and the species is no longer optimised to it. Therefore leading to the greater likelihood that mutations causing some change will be beneficial. Until the species either goes extinct or reaches a new equilibrium to match the new environment, the rate of change will be accelerated for this reason.

Nothing mysterious. Nothing, in fact, that is not simply a logical expectation of core evolution theory and it was alluded to right from the start by Darwin. It was even demonstrated directly in the Lenski experiment, where the populations subjected to a new environment adapted quickly at first, then the rate of change slowed as they optimised to the new environment. That was true in 11 of the 12 populations. In the 12th, of course, we were treated to the far more dramatic event of a "macro" event where the bacteria became capable of digesting citrate, which was not even an expectation of the experiment.

Next.

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#141884 Jul 10, 2013
HTS wrote:
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Storytelling is not science.
The Galápagos Islands are 600 miles from the South American mainland.
Its not my fault if you demand just so stories then whine when I give you one, no matter how tongue in cheek.

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#141885 Jul 10, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>This is a different approach. The weight is converted directly into mechanical energy as the tank fills up and gets heavier. Water pressure is not involved to make energy, it is the volume of water that matters.
I certainly hope you don't start building bridges.

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#141886 Jul 10, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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All Australian land animals must be prodigious swimmers.
How else could they have gotten back to Australia after the Flud?
I have long maintained that it was the Holy Helicopter.
Subduction Zone wrote:
Any Australian animal that drowns is clearly faking it.
Those little buggers.
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#141887 Jul 10, 2013
MADRONE wrote:
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Your "design" is, for all practical purposes, an overshot waterwheel. Those began to disappear in the first part of the 1800's when the more efficient turbine was developed.
A large tank would be more efficient at catching large amounts of water, because it would be taking in the total volume no matter how much.

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#141888 Jul 10, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
I was just reading some of your old work on another thread. A line of arguments with a guy named The Mayan.
I remember that guy. Which thread was it?
DanFromSmithville wrote:
We have tried to explain to him that he is trying to reinvent outdated technology, but he is steadfast that his idea is sound, revolutionary and unique. There should be a fair body of historical and recent information on water power out there, but I don't see any effort to utilize that resource outside of a few stabs at what is on the internet.
Except for historical or hobbyist applications, waterwheels are rarely seen any more. Turning a shaft to a grist mill is no longer as important as cranking out a few megawatts.
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Ashburn, VA

#141889 Jul 10, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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The fish.
There would be nothing to harm the fish, if the inlet was channeled and screened and the outlet could be far enough downstream to have it positioned away from the river.

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#141890 Jul 10, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>There would be nothing to harm the fish, if the inlet was channeled and screened and the outlet could be far enough downstream to have it positioned away from the river.
The salmon would disagree with you.

And!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroelectricity...
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#141891 Jul 10, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
They don't. Mutations poof into existence all the time, in every "direction".
No, mainly in one direction - downward. Genetic entropy, remember?

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#141892 Jul 10, 2013
MADRONE wrote:
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I remember that guy. Which thread was it?
<quoted text>
Except for historical or hobbyist applications, waterwheels are rarely seen any more. Turning a shaft to a grist mill is no longer as important as cranking out a few megawatts.
Sorry, I had finish up some things before going to bed last night. It was the Intelligent Design thread. It is toward the bottom on the first page of the list of forums. That guy was like HTS and KAB on steroids. I enjoyed reading through the parts I have so far.

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#141893 Jul 10, 2013
Living fossils - evolutions forgotten species.

http://webecoist.momtastic.com/2009/12/29/liv...



http://www.youtube.com/watch...

The fossil record has too many holes and is missing way too many transitional fossils.

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#141894 Jul 10, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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I am on here several times a week. I see many of his posts. Do you see me jump on him? Nope you don't. I let him live in his world without bothering him because after all it is his world and who am I to invade his world he lives in.
That's one hypothesis - or maybe you ignore his posts because you aren't qualified to refute them.
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#141895 Jul 10, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
CO2 levels have increased by 30% or more from the base level due to human activity.
And sorry, the data does not support that conclusion at all. The period covering post-war 1940s up to the economic recession of the early 1970s saw the greatest increase in industrial production (basically from zero to smoke-stack industries) yet CO2 levels actually decreased during this period. Then, from the 70s recession until a few years ago, industrial emissions have declined while CO2 increased. This is the opposite of what AGW would predict and completely refutes your conclusion.

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#141896 Jul 10, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, I was suggesting that the receiving container could have a bottom that lifts up and flushes the contents quickly when it gets full and then a float weight could shut the bottom back quickly after it flushes.
Your grand design is a colossal toilet - which was obvious to every but you pages ago.

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#141897 Jul 10, 2013
Mutations are more likely to be harmful or damaging rather than helpful. Mutations in genes can either have no effect, alter the product of a gene, or prevent the gene from functioning properly or completely.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutation

http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/priroda_su/145...

http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/priroda_su/145...

The big bang theory. Something exploded and caused order. Explosions don't cause order, they cause destruction/dis-order.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explosion

http://www.bing.com/images/search...

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#141900 Jul 10, 2013
SonRisen wrote:
Living fossils - evolutions forgotten species.
http://webecoist.momtastic.com/2009/12/29/liv...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =xTo941JrtcwXX
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
That wasn't horrible until we got to Harun Yahya, AKA Adnan Oktar.

So what's your point with 'living fossils'?
SonRisen wrote:
The fossil record has too many holes and is missing way too many transitional fossils.
You've been reading too much Yahya/Oktar.

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#141901 Jul 10, 2013
SonRisen wrote:
Mutations are more likely to be harmful or damaging rather than helpful. Mutations in genes can either have no effect, alter the product of a gene, or prevent the gene from functioning properly or completely.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutation
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/priroda_su/145...
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/priroda_su/145...
For your Wiki source:
"It is believed that the overwhelming majority of mutations have no significant effect on an organism's fitness."

Better have that foot looked at.
SonRisen wrote:
The big bang theory. Something exploded and caused order. Explosions don't cause order, they cause destruction/dis-order.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explosion
http://www.bing.com/images/search...
Again, from your Wiki source:
The Big Bang is not an explosion of matter moving outward to fill an empty universe. Instead, space itself expands with time everywhere and increases the physical distance between two comoving points.

You might try reading this stuff first.

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#141903 Jul 10, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>WOW! I hadn't thought of it that way, because the bottom raises when the receiving container gets at the low point and then shuts back after the water has emptied.
Well, that's the problem with reinventing the wheel. There's a lot of "hadn't thought of" inherently involved in the process.

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