Should evolution be taught in high school?

Feb 24, 2008 | Posted by: Cash | Full story: www.scientificblogging.com

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."

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Subduction Zone wrote:
I am listening to a Dawkins' lecture right now and he made a point that is very pertinent to this thread. In the U.S. to teach you do need a degree in pedagogy, or how to educated children, you do not need a degree in the material that you are teaching. And sadly that is so true. I know a guy who was studying to become a physics teacher in high school. I asked him how much math the needed. I know he was taking algebra, but I do believe that is it. I know no calculus was needed and he had no plans to even touch the subject. I don't think he even took any trigonometry.
In evolution that applied since many science teachers had no biology and were afraid to teach the controversial parts of a science that they did not understand.
I guess that I was lucky to have teachers that were actual biologists in high school.
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What a joke... As if "amino acids" = "Life"
You obviously have no understanding of the complexity of biology to make such an ignorant conjecture.
You have never shown how biological information can form.
You have raw conjectures unsupported by any scientific laws.
You specifically have offered no mechanism of creation of novel genetic information.
Denying demonstrable reality neither refutes science nor proves your magical stories true.
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You specifically have offered no mechanism of creation of novel genetic information.
Gene duplication followed by mutation

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supernova's are dead stars
that are forced through space to endlessly
search for energy fields,
to reignite as dwarf suns
typically of an Nebula
or Oort cloud.
Ohhhhh...right. Magic.

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It's irrelevant what version of intelligent design they believed in.
They believed in a higher power.
The notion that science does not lead one to believe in a higher power is false.
You cannot invoke any laws of science that validate your belief in atheistic evolution.
You are required to place faith in unknown laws.
That is religion.
No, Einstein admitted the possibility of God while remaining agnostic.

But yes, it DOES matter what form. It matters fundamentally.

Claiming a scientist accepting the possibility of God is in ANY WAY the same thing as believing in Genesis is pure balderdash.

You claimed that plenty of great scientists believed in Genesis. Still waiting for your list...looks like you are backtracking already.

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Gene duplication followed by mutation
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I think we have told him this one hundred times.

Do you think that 101 did any good?
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Dawkins says a lot of things to a lot of people.
he's concurrently working through my theories of
GSZ evolution.
Of COURSE he is, because one of the world's foremost experts on evolutionary biology regularly consults with random retards on the interwebs. Stephen Hawking is reviewing my new book that completely dismantles all of cosmology.
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Gene duplication followed by mutation
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What a joke...
You haven't explained anything.
The genetic material to create intelligence was not wrought by "gene duplication"
If so, she me on paper how that occurred.
I said "novel genetic information"
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biological systems that show up on the
environmental scene very late on
in this space quadrants history,
is liable to be an actual example of
poly-morposes and not regular adaptation.
Please publish a picture of your correspondences with Dawkins. Include everything he sent you. Evidence or STFU.

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<quoted text>I think we have told him this one hundred times.
Do you think that 101 did any good?
Must admit , my first degree (not boasting - second was IT - doesn't count) wasn't in medicine - but was a related field.

And pretty damn sure the medical students shared some of the same genetics lectures as me.

I mean - surely in the US doctors have similar educational backgrounds as UK

And HTS is a doctor .....

Oh sorry ,
got it now ,
move on ,
nothing to see here
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Why is the theoretical explanation of intelligent design "religion"?
It is unprovable
Therefore, not science.
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and unknown.
You have no scientific laws that you can invoke to explain how single cell life evolved into humans.
Laws describe. Theories explain. If you want an explanation, see the theory of evolution. If you want the mechanisms, they're in there, too.
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You have chosen one faith over another.
Your ignorance, willful or otherwise, is not evidence for ID nor against evolutionary theory.
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What a joke...
You haven't explained anything.
The genetic material to create intelligence was not wrought by "gene duplication"
If so, she me on paper how that occurred.
I said "novel genetic information"
XXXX
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XXXX XXXY

Is XXXY new
Is XXXY 'information'
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Yes. Of course. 140x the entire human population of Earth has access to your incoherent rambling gibberish.
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Once again you show that you are a total idiot.
Your argument is equivalent to saying that it was impossible to go to the Moon since the Wright brothers never made it there.
The Miller-Urey experiment was only the first in a long string of experiments. Many of them successful, many of them not successful.
Learn how science is done you ignorant fool.
The Wright Brothers never claimed to have proved that man could fly to the moon, so your analogy is, as usual, pointless.
Your logic is akin to saying that because you can demonstrate that a monkey can type random keys, that he can type Shakespeare.
What "long line of experiments" demonstrates that abiogenesis Is even possible? Name one...
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What a joke...
You haven't explained anything.
The genetic material to create intelligence was not wrought by "gene duplication"
If so, she me on paper how that occurred.
I said "novel genetic information"
Self-replicating RNA.

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The Wright Brothers never claimed to have proved that man could fly to the moon, so your analogy is, as usual, pointless.
Your logic is akin to saying that because you can demonstrate that a monkey can type random keys, that he can type Shakespeare.
What "long line of experiments" demonstrates that abiogenesis Is even possible? Name one...
I don't need to.

You just demanded evidence. You know the rule on evidence.

Have you taken or passed a class lately?
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Self-replicating RNA.
Duplicating what's already there is not creating novel information.

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Duplicating what's already there is not creating novel information.
When it doubles the length of a gene, and that is one form of mutation, it is.

In fact any change in the genome is "new information". It is not a written language. Your not understanding how gene duplication, which is not the copying of a gene, is not evidence against it. It is only evidence that you are ignorant.

If a gene is duplicated from XXXX to XXXX XXXX that is different information. It will result in different chemicals being made.

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