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Should evolution be taught in high school?

There are 179706 comments on the www.scientificblogging.com story from Feb 24, 2008, titled Should evolution be taught in high school?. In it, www.scientificblogging.com reports that:

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."

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#139266 Jun 26, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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You just keep stating assertions that defy logic and any evidence you present does not support any of them. You are a troll, it's that simple.
Then the post you are responding too, you should be able to refute, but you can't, because science gave the proof I needed.

Go home child, ya got nuthin and you're too stupid to see that science brought the proof.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

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Orlando

#139267 Jun 26, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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You just keep stating assertions that defy logic and any evidence you present does not support any of them. You are a troll, it's that simple.
He's gotta be a plant, working for Topix, employed by them to continue our own participation on these threads.

Web hits equals bucks.

Nobody could be REALLY this stupid.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#139268 Jun 26, 2013
One way or another wrote:
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Peer review is just another layer of controlling the scientists and if they don't like what is said, it goes no further and any that dare challenge, are labelled as trouble.
That's just how they control. If it were honest and open, all scientists could put forth their claims in front of all other scientists and allow it a fair trial.
Then there's your chance for fame and fortune, Carpet-piss boy.

I suggest WikiLeaks.

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#139269 Jun 26, 2013
One way or another wrote:
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Notice the words, "surrounding nebula"
You choose to be stupid, that's your problem. There should be very little matter close to the neutron, but in the pic of the pulsar at the web page, it states, "The Crab pulsar is the white dot in the center of the vortex revealed by NASA's Chandra X-ray Observatory. The inner ring is probably created when the pulsar's wind slams into the surrounding nebula, and energy from this collision makes the whole structure glow. Somewhere inside here gamma-ray flares are created."
Not a bad try, but you have to keep track of it all.
So you take this and extrapolate that there is a black hole feeding matter to the region around the neutron star.
"Say good night, Gracie."

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I'm a racist caricature!

#139270 Jun 26, 2013
One way or another wrote:
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Very true and I'd much rather be polite and use manners, but when 8 to 10 evos use childish tactics to be as nasty and childish as a group, then I just give them some of what they deserve.
The teacher.
The schoolchildren.
The Jews.
Us.

But, if there's one person we know ISN'T responsible for your actions, it's YOU.
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#139271 Jun 26, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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Your pattern reflects 2 dimensional thinking.
Think of a dot in a balloon or bubble. The surface of the balloon is away from the center (yea, it is expanding away from it).
Obviously you're too stupid to see that chromium an already tried that approach, but science shut him down, idiot boy. Actually, like you do to all interresting and intelligent thoughts, you copy them.

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Since: May 08

Orlando

#139272 Jun 26, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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The teacher.
The schoolchildren.
The Jews.
Us.
But, if there's one person we know ISN'T responsible for your actions, it's YOU.
No, no, no.....

You must add:

ALL government personnel (appointed, elected and underlings hired off the street, to include Police, Firepersons, Mail personnel, and underlings in support of the above).

ALL of Corporate Big Business (might as well include your locally-owned convenience store/gas station and newspaper delivery boy as well).

ALL of the Public School System, probably down to the janitors.

No doubt include ALL of Science, including Academia of any description.

ANY person not agreeing with his narrow perverted description of reality.

Which would be.....EVERYBODY.
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#139273 Jun 26, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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So you take this and extrapolate that there is a black hole feeding matter to the region around the neutron star.
"Say good night, Gracie."
You make yourself look like an idiot and then you want to change the subject, so ok, lets change the subject. Yes, a black hole is feeding this nebula, that's why it keeps expanding, while it retains its shape, even after a thousand years, where the matter is supposedly moving away from the neutron, since the blast.

Nothing in the nebula has been shown to cause flares and the scientists claim to be puzzled by that. The blue picture at the website given, shows by its design, that it is being fed, because without being fed, the pulsar would have dust and gas, equally distributed orotund the pulsar.

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#139274 Jun 26, 2013
One way or another wrote:
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Obviously you're too stupid to see that chromium an already tried that approach, but science shut him down, idiot boy. Actually, like you do to all interresting and intelligent thoughts, you copy them.
"Science" hasn't countered anything I've written, but I'm still favoring the dropped on your head as a child resulting in parietal lobe and PFC damage hypothesis.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#139275 Jun 26, 2013
One way or another wrote:
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You make yourself look like an idiot and then you want to change the subject, so ok, lets change the subject. Yes, a black hole is feeding this nebula, that's why it keeps expanding, while it retains its shape, even after a thousand years, where the matter is supposedly moving away from the neutron, since the blast.
Nothing in the nebula has been shown to cause flares and the scientists claim to be puzzled by that. The blue picture at the website given, shows by its design, that it is being fed, because without being fed, the pulsar would have dust and gas, equally distributed orotund the pulsar.
When an ice skater is spinning and he/she pulls his/her arms in, rotational speed increases. Does the skater's gravitational pull increase as well? If so, by how much? If not, why not, and why does it do so for planets according to you (but not the way you think it should, in about 1/3 of cases, according to you, which necessarily falsifies your "science")?
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#139276 Jun 26, 2013
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Heart of black holes

Here is the heart of my new science by Jim Ryan

Go to the second picture in the following website. It is a blue picture, depicting the pulsar, a white dot at the center of the Crab Nebula.

http://www.skyandtelescope.com/news/Crab-Nebu...

My new science is that nebula are the castings of black holes, just as the pulsar is. There are many nebula with pulsars, just as there are black holes.

Copy and paste below! My response will be below that.

This flare isn’t the Crab’s first fit. Since 2007 AGILE and Fermi have detected about a half dozen events, the most fantastic that of April 2011, when the Crab erupted in an outburst at least 30 times brighter than the nebula’s norm. The new flare is the brightest since that event. These flares put out 1,000 times more power than the Sun does at all wavelengths.

My response! The flares are coming from a black hole that is dumping its contents into the nebula, just as it dumped the pulsar there. The pulsar and the surroundings are illuminated by the castings of the black hole, otherwise, the crab nebulas pulsar should illuminate the whole area like that, all the time.

The swirling motion also matches the small end of a black hole, that grows larger as it extends away from the black hole.

A black hole is feeding this nebula, that's why it keeps expanding, while it retains its shape, even after a thousand years, where the matter is supposedly moving away from the neutron, since the blast.

Nothing in the nebula has been shown to cause flares and the scientists claim to be puzzled by that. The blue picture at the website given, shows by its design, that it is being fed, because without being fed, the pulsar would have dust and gas, equally distributed around the pulsar.

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#139277 Jun 26, 2013
One way or another wrote:
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You make yourself look like an idiot and then you want to change the subject, so ok, lets change the subject. Yes, a black hole is feeding this nebula, that's why it keeps expanding, while it retains its shape, even after a thousand years, where the matter is supposedly moving away from the neutron, since the blast.
Nothing in the nebula has been shown to cause flares and the scientists claim to be puzzled by that. The blue picture at the website given, shows by its design, that it is being fed, because without being fed, the pulsar would have dust and gas, equally distributed orotund the pulsar.
Your repetitious pseudoscience is boring me.
You do understand that they are called black holes because their gravity doesn't let anything out, don't you?
Simply because the astrophysicists haven't determined the cause of the flares does not mean that the least likely explanation is the most probable one. Have you considered that that the neutron star's binary companion unsettles the distribution of offal and that the primary's accretion disc reaches a saturation point at which time the accelerated mass is ejected along the primary's axis? Do you allow any credence to the theory that the magnetic ropes unbind and cross, causing flares similar to our own sun's but more energetic? And/or that the primary might share some characteristic with a magnetar?

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1975SvA....18....
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#139278 Jun 26, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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When an ice skater is spinning and he/she pulls his/her arms in, rotational speed increases. Does the skater's gravitational pull increase as well? If so, by how much? If not, why not, and why does it do so for planets according to you (but not the way you think it should, in about 1/3 of cases, according to you, which necessarily falsifies your "science")?
Interresting question, I'll have to think about it.

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#139279 Jun 26, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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When an ice skater is spinning and he/she pulls his/her arms in, rotational speed increases. Does the skater's gravitational pull increase as well? If so, by how much? If not, why not, and why does it do so for planets according to you (but not the way you think it should, in about 1/3 of cases, according to you, which necessarily falsifies your "science")?
So Jimbo has some "theory" about spinning makes gravity? Oh, lovely.

Energy does have gravity, but it is tied with the equation e=mc2, meaning that it takes A LOT of energy to create a measurable amount of gravity. A rotating body of normal matter would fly apart from its centrifugal force long before any appreciable amount of kinetic gravity would be created. An ice skater with their arms out or in still has the same amount of rotational energy.

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I'm a racist caricature!

#139280 Jun 26, 2013
One way or another wrote:
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As soon as you start testing ANY of the gibberish you keep posting, we'll take you seriously. Until then, it ain't science. It's just the ravings of a run-of-the-mill paranoid lunatic with delusions of grandeur.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#139281 Jun 26, 2013
One way or another wrote:
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Interresting question, I'll have to think about it.
Well, you've already stated definitively that the spinning tip of a Dremel tool doesn't increase its gravitational pull even though it's spinning at thousands of RPM. Why would a human spinning at 100 RPM possibly increase in gravitational pull if something spinning at 2,500 RPM doesn't increase in gravitational pull? And, if something spinning at 2,500 RPM doesn't increase in gravitational pull versus 0 RPM, why would Earth's rotational speed of a mere 1 revolution per day generate gravity? What if we attach a large styrofoam ball to the tip of the Dremel tool? Would THAT increase in gravitational pull? What if we attached a baseball-size ball of iron to the tip of the tool? Would THAT increase in gravitational pull? Remember, you already said that mass doesn't cause gravity, and you have opened the possibility of a human's 100 RPM spin causing gravity, but you've dismissed the possibility of a Dremel tool's 2,500 RPM spin causing gravity. Why does gravity result from some things spinning at relatively few RPM result in gravity, but some things spinning at relatively high RPM doesn't result in any gravity?

And, if your idea is valid, why is it wrong about 1/3 of the time? If it's valid, shouldn't it be correct 100% of the time? How does a valid understanding of reality fail 1/3 of the time? Is it those damn Jews? Or, maybe your 4th grade teacher? Or, could it be the scientists who don't understand how anything works the way you do?
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#139282 Jun 26, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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Your repetitious pseudoscience is boring me.
You do understand that they are called black holes because their gravity doesn't let anything out, don't you?
Simply because the astrophysicists haven't determined the cause of the flares does not mean that the least likely explanation is the most probable one. Have you considered that that the neutron star's binary companion unsettles the distribution of offal and that the primary's accretion disc reaches a saturation point at which time the accelerated mass is ejected along the primary's axis? Do you allow any credence to the theory that the magnetic ropes unbind and cross, causing flares similar to our own sun's but more energetic? And/or that the primary might share some characteristic with a magnetar?
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1975SvA....18....
There's a whole lot of assuming going on at the Harvard site you have. I'm reading it, but it will take me time to figure out at least all I can.

By the way, the astrophysicists do speak to the flares.

By the way, bring proof of this nonsense you wrote---neutron star's binary companion unsettles the distribution of offal and that the primary's accretion disc reaches a saturation point at which time the accelerated mass is ejected along the primary's axis?
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#139283 Jun 26, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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When an ice skater is spinning and he/she pulls his/her arms in, rotational speed increases. Does the skater's gravitational pull increase as well? If so, by how much? If not, why not, and why does it do so for planets according to you (but not the way you think it should, in about 1/3 of cases, according to you, which necessarily falsifies your "science")?
Ya can't have gravity without spin.

Artificial gravity is the varying (increase or decrease) of apparent gravity (g-force) via artificial means, particularly in space, but also on Earth. It can be practically achieved by the use of different forces, particularly the centrifugal force and linear acceleration.

The creation of artificial gravity is considered desirable for long-term space travel or habitation, for ease of mobility, for in-space fluid management, and to avoid the adverse long-term health effects of weightlessness.

A number of methods for generating artificial gravity have been proposed for many years, as well as an even larger number of sci-fi approaches using both real and fictitious forces. Practical in-space applications of artificial gravity for humans have not yet been built and flown, principally due to the large size of the full-scale spacecraft that would be required to allow centripetal acceleration rotating spacecraft, such that they have not been selected as funded missions for the various large national space agencies that have developed the vast majority of space hardware in the early decades of human spaceflight.[1

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#139284 Jun 26, 2013
One way or another wrote:
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There's a whole lot of assuming going on at the Harvard site you have. I'm reading it, but it will take me time to figure out at least all I can.
By the way, the astrophysicists do speak to the flares.
By the way, bring proof of this nonsense you wrote---neutron star's binary companion unsettles the distribution of offal and that the primary's accretion disc reaches a saturation point at which time the accelerated mass is ejected along the primary's axis?
The previous link identifies the binary companion of the Crab Nebula's primary. It is a far more likely scenario that an orbiting binary would perturb the nebular debris than the inexplicable presence of an undetected black hole.
You don't know about relativistic x-ray jets?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_jet
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#139285 Jun 26, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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Well, you've already stated definitively that the spinning tip of a Dremel tool doesn't increase its gravitational pull even though it's spinning at thousands of RPM. Why would a human spinning at 100 RPM possibly increase in gravitational pull if something spinning at 2,500 RPM doesn't increase in gravitational pull? And, if something spinning at 2,500 RPM doesn't increase in gravitational pull versus 0 RPM, why would Earth's rotational speed of a mere 1 revolution per day generate gravity? What if we attach a large styrofoam ball to the tip of the Dremel tool? Would THAT increase in gravitational pull? What if we attached a baseball-size ball of iron to the tip of the tool? Would THAT increase in gravitational pull? Remember, you already said that mass doesn't cause gravity, and you have opened the possibility of a human's 100 RPM spin causing gravity, but you've dismissed the possibility of a Dremel tool's 2,500 RPM spin causing gravity. Why does gravity result from some things spinning at relatively few RPM result in gravity, but some things spinning at relatively high RPM doesn't result in any gravity?
And, if your idea is valid, why is it wrong about 1/3 of the time? If it's valid, shouldn't it be correct 100% of the time? How does a valid understanding of reality fail 1/3 of the time? Is it those damn Jews? Or, maybe your 4th grade teacher? Or, could it be the scientists who don't understand how anything works the way you do?
Your dremel tool no sense was used by you children as mockery, not a serious question. If it was, I wasn't aware that any of you were serious about it. Why don't you find the posts made back then and I'll address it.

I did not say mass did not cause gravity, I said that spin is necessary in the production of gravity, big difference, but of course, you morons always twist word and meaning. Deceit is just part of your childish clique.

If not, show the post of mine that supposedly says spin causes gravity. It may be possible that I made a mistake on a post, but the rest of my posts would have clarified my position, that there can be no gravity, without spin.

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