Should evolution be taught in high school?

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Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand." Full Story

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#138896 Jun 26, 2013
Man-on-Fire wrote:
Oh and also the people that do help and do give are the people that still believe in and have faith in God.
You mean like Bill Gates?

Oh wait, no, the richest person in the U.S. and perhaps the world is an atheist and he is famous for his helping and giving.

By they way, how about all of those icky things that Jesus says you are supposed to do. Have you visited someone in jail? I have.

Helped the homeless? I have. And yes, I don't buy that bullshit about how they are victims. Most homeless men are homeless by choice. Or due to their continued desire to abuse drugs. Still you have to help the idiots sometimes.

How about the number two person for wealth in the U.S. He gives a lot to charity. Oops, Warren Buffet is an atheist too. And he gives quite a chunk of money.

Since there are far fewer atheists in the U.S. than Christians their donations will not match the total given by atheists. Atheists still give freely to charity. Don't believe people who try to tell you otherwise. And when atheists donate we are not doing it because we "have to" we do it because it is the right thing to do.

“A belief is formed personally.”

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#138897 Jun 26, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Some people might just look at it as a time of the year the family gets together, and show their love for each other.
Yes to a point. But they also have more time off work/school and more time to travel to be with that family. So they chose that day due to the extra time them have. If they all had more time During Easter than Christmas they would do it on Easter. And also being with family and loved ones makes people participate more.

Same as more people BBQ and get together on the 4th of July due to the time they have off.

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#138898 Jun 26, 2013
Man-on-Fire wrote:
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Exactly. So a world with out faith and belief in God would be a world far off worse than what it is today. But you just keep right on trying to destroy that belief and faith people have.
Now there is a non sequitur if there ever was one.

The theory of evolution only explains a scientific fact, that evolution occurred on this world.

What is good about gullibility and belief?

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#138899 Jun 26, 2013
Man-on-Fire wrote:
It is said that man will eventually destroy himself. Removing all belief and faith is going in that direction. There would be no more help from charities, hospitals, people, churches, ect ect that do it all upon their faith and belief. More people would die from lack of that help. Crime would rise for more would need and because no one would have nothing to believe in anymore. No one would care as much as they do anymore. They would see their life as it all ends when I die so I might as well live the best I can now no matter who I hurt or destroy to get that. Oh you are hungry, well to bad I have no desire or reason to help you plus I am not hungry so be gone. Ect ect. I think you see the picture.
More nonsense.

Again, what evidence do you have to support your claim? Do you seriously think that good things would not happen without churches?

I am sorry for you if your life is so empty that you would do no good without your "Mafia God" that you seem to believe in.

“A belief is formed personally.”

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#138900 Jun 26, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Now there is a non sequitur if there ever was one.
The theory of evolution only explains a scientific fact, that evolution occurred on this world.
What is good about gullibility and belief?
Let me put it to you this way. when or if our country collapses and or a war happens again own our own soil(during our lifetime). If I came across you and your family I would help you because of my beliefs and faith I have in Jesus and God. If I did not have that faith and believe and I came across you and your family, I would not care about you or them, I would drop you all were you stood, take what you had to help insure my survival.

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#138901 Jun 26, 2013
Man-on-Fire wrote:
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Let me put it to you this way. when or if our country collapses and or a war happens again own our own soil(during our lifetime). If I came across you and your family I would help you because of my beliefs and faith I have in Jesus and God. If I did not have that faith and believe and I came across you and your family, I would not care about you or them, I would drop you all were you stood, take what you had to help insure my survival.
Well that is sad. That is not what the theory of evolution predicts. So you are admitting that you are a bad person.

Atheists realize that you can be good, giving, and sharing without a threat.

“A belief is formed personally.”

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#138902 Jun 26, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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More nonsense.
Again, what evidence do you have to support your claim? Do you seriously think that good things would not happen without churches?
I am sorry for you if your life is so empty that you would do no good without your "Mafia God" that you seem to believe in.
And again here you go running God down by calling him a "Mafia God". You can't help yourself but to run God down because you believe different. If you do not believe in him that is fine but I don't understand why it bothers you so much that you have to constantly run him down. I have not set here and constantly ran you or evolution down. It does not matter to me what you believe for it does not effect my life so why should I run it down? I only go after things or try to change things that have a negative impact effect in my life.

“A belief is formed personally.”

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#138903 Jun 26, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Christianity has not cornered the market on humanitarian reasoning.
But to be fair, you have to admit evolution does not collect tithes or have a tax free status either...hmm But regardless of faith , helping people out is a human nature.
True but the science that they use to research it is all given by the government either from taxpayer money or the taxpayer pays for it.

“A belief is formed personally.”

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#138904 Jun 26, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Well that is sad. That is not what the theory of evolution predicts. So you are admitting that you are a bad person.
Atheists realize that you can be good, giving, and sharing without a threat.
Evolution is about two things when it really comes down to it. Change and survival!

I am not a bad person but without belief and faith it would be all about, when needed, survival and I would change how I am to insure that if I needed to.

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#138905 Jun 26, 2013
Man-on-Fire wrote:
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And again here you go running God down by calling him a "Mafia God". You can't help yourself but to run God down because you believe different. If you do not believe in him that is fine but I don't understand why it bothers you so much that you have to constantly run him down. I have not set here and constantly ran you or evolution down. It does not matter to me what you believe for it does not effect my life so why should I run it down? I only go after things or try to change things that have a negative impact effect in my life.
No, I am not running God down again.

Why do you keep assuming that your God has to be the right God?

You have no evidence only a feeling. Believer definitely believes in a Mafia God, in fact it is a flaw that most Christians have.

If you don't believe in and worship your God he threatens to punish you forever. What difference is there between him and a Mafia Character who comes to your business and threatens it?

Not even the Pope believes in your Mafia God anymore.

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#138906 Jun 26, 2013
One way or another wrote:
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Can you see a single photon of light chimney? Describe it for us.
Can you see a single hydrogen atom Jimbo? Describe it for us.

“A belief is formed personally.”

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#138907 Jun 26, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Well that is sad. That is not what the theory of evolution predicts. So you are admitting that you are a bad person.
Atheists realize that you can be good, giving, and sharing without a threat.
Also nowhere in there did I say I was a bad person. I said when it comes down to it, if things got real bad, if I had no belief or faith I would do what I needed to do to survive.

Call me bad all you want. That is up to you for I have seen if someone does not believe in what you do or support what you believe then you think they are below you. It is sad you think that for I believe God created us all equal.

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#138908 Jun 26, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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Can you see a single hydrogen atom Jimbo? Describe it for us.
It is purple. Except in August.

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#138909 Jun 26, 2013
Believer wrote:
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We don't know how evolution did it because evolution can't do anything without some kind of intelligence .
That is the whole point. Evolution is a natural mechanism that creates ordered complexity without intelligence. We know how it does this and there is nothing mysterious about it. If you ever bother to learn how it works, you might be surprised.

“A belief is formed personally.”

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#138910 Jun 26, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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You mean like Bill Gates?
Oh wait, no, the richest person in the U.S. and perhaps the world is an atheist and he is famous for his helping and giving.
By they way, how about all of those icky things that Jesus says you are supposed to do. Have you visited someone in jail? I have.
Helped the homeless? I have. And yes, I don't buy that bullshit about how they are victims. Most homeless men are homeless by choice. Or due to their continued desire to abuse drugs. Still you have to help the idiots sometimes.
How about the number two person for wealth in the U.S. He gives a lot to charity. Oops, Warren Buffet is an atheist too. And he gives quite a chunk of money.
Since there are far fewer atheists in the U.S. than Christians their donations will not match the total given by atheists. Atheists still give freely to charity. Don't believe people who try to tell you otherwise. And when atheists donate we are not doing it because we "have to" we do it because it is the right thing to do.
Why do they give? What they give does not even come close to what they write off in their taxes. Every penny they give they make money from it or make/save money from their taxes. Surely you are not that blind.

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#138911 Jun 26, 2013
One way or another wrote:
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What do single photons look like in a very dark jungle chimney? Single photons spread everywhere, according to science.
No, the probability wave function spreads "everywhere". When a photon interacts with other particles, like those in your eyeball, the wave function collapses to a single location, which can only be predicted according to the probabilities in the original wave function. Its quantum physics and at that level particles behave nothing like the large scale reality you expect to see every day. And you will not ever bother to learn anything about it.

There IS a case of individuals seeing single photons, and that was in Rutherford's famous experiment where he "split the atom". He had observers sitting in total darkness for half an hour than observing the tiny flashes as alpha particles bounced off gold nuclei, emitting a single photon in the process. This is how he learned about the internal structure of the atom, one of the most famous experiments of all time.

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#138912 Jun 26, 2013
Man-on-Fire wrote:
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Why do they give? What they give does not even come close to what they write off in their taxes. Every penny they give they make money from it or make/save money from their taxes. Surely you are not that blind.
You have no clue how income taxes work.

Even if you deduct your donations you still have less, even with the tax breaks that you might get, than if you did not donate at all.

Please, you cannot win an argument if you are foolishly ignorant.

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#138913 Jun 26, 2013
HTS wrote:
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Your vain, philosophical attempts to disprove God only underscore the weakness of the evolutionary hypothesis.
Your vain, idiotic attempts to equate supporting evolution with "disproving God" only underscore that its not God you are in love with, its the myths of ancient Jews.

Nothing ANYONE has said here attempts to disprove the existence of God.

“A belief is formed personally.”

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#138914 Jun 26, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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No, I am not running God down again.
Why do you keep assuming that your God has to be the right God?
You have no evidence only a feeling. Believer definitely believes in a Mafia God, in fact it is a flaw that most Christians have.
If you don't believe in and worship your God he threatens to punish you forever. What difference is there between him and a Mafia Character who comes to your business and threatens it?
Not even the Pope believes in your Mafia God anymore.
So by calling him a "Mafia God" what are you doing if not running him down?

His is the right God by my faith and belief.

The difference is a Mafia character will live better because of you and what "he takes" from you where as a believer will live better because of what "God offers" and "lets them choose" it, not "make you choose" it as a Mafia character would.

Key points there. Mafia takes from you and lives better. God offers you to live better. God lets you choose. The Mafia makes you choose.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#138915 Jun 26, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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It is purple. Except in August.
Not exactly.

http://wordlesstech.com/2013/05/27/quantum-mi...

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