Should evolution be taught in high school?

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Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand." Full Story

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#138880 Jun 25, 2013
Man-on-Fire wrote:
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So I guess you think two things can't happen on the same day.
Funny for I know many things that are celebrated on the same day as others. I guess if your birthday is on the same day as someone older than you then you are just really celebrating their birthday because they were celebrating on that day before you were.
Kitten Koder is correct. Easter was another stolen holiday of the early Christians.

Do you really think Jesus was born anywhere near December 25? The date was chosen since it was so close to Saturnalia, it had nothing to do with the actual date which was long lost.

“A belief is formed personally.”

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#138881 Jun 25, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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The churches are fuller and happier at Christmas. They have to have extra services. Seriously, you are supposed to celebrate Easter more, but it does not seem that anyone does.
You are simply lying to yourself if you think it is the other way around.
Let's look at the past when Christianity did pretty much rule America. Look at popular culture in the 40's and the 50's of last century. Even then Christmas ruled as far as holidays go.
Again I stated Christmas is participated in more for several reasons. For the gifts. Even adults get gifts. It is near the end of the year/start of the year which is another holiday so many places give/people take vacation usually for a week, even schools as a year end break, at that time. So more travel to see family since they have a week or more off and participate in it.

Easter is a 3 day weekend so not as many travel and get together.

That all is simple logic and all about time to spare.

As far as being celebrated for religious reasons or beliefs in Jesus. Easter is celebrated more for those reasons than Christmas.

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#138882 Jun 25, 2013
Man-on-Fire wrote:
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Again I stated Christmas is participated in more for several reasons. For the gifts. Even adults get gifts. It is near the end of the year/start of the year which is another holiday so many places give/people take vacation usually for a week, even schools as a year end break, at that time. So more travel to see family since they have a week or more off and participate in it.
Easter is a 3 day weekend so not as many travel and get together.
That all is simple logic and all about time to spare.
As far as being celebrated for religious reasons or beliefs in Jesus. Easter is celebrated more for those reasons than Christmas.
So, long story short, Christmas is celebrated more.

At any rate let's get back to evolution.

Why don't you believe the theory of evolution?

Why do you use the benefits of the theory of evolution every day?

“I Am No One Else”

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#138883 Jun 25, 2013
Man-on-Fire wrote:
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Again I stated Christmas is participated in more for several reasons. For the gifts. Even adults get gifts. It is near the end of the year/start of the year which is another holiday so many places give/people take vacation usually for a week, even schools as a year end break, at that time. So more travel to see family since they have a week or more off and participate in it.
Easter is a 3 day weekend so not as many travel and get together.
That all is simple logic and all about time to spare.
As far as being celebrated for religious reasons or beliefs in Jesus. Easter is celebrated more for those reasons than Christmas.
Easter is only one day.

“A belief is formed personally.”

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#138884 Jun 25, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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So you never get medical attention for anything. Never eat food from a grocer. You never use a computer ... oh wait ... seems you have lost your "faith."
Science brought us medicine. Science brought us the evolution theory. Evolution did not bring us science.

How many hospitals around the world offer cheap to near free help for kids/people. There are many that do it in the faith of Jesus and our Lord. There are none "0" that do it in the believe of evolution.
Believer

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#138885 Jun 26, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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The "fittest" species do require emotions, and the most beneficial are those you equate to humanity, as we have seen they exist in all the most successful species beyond that of viruses and bacteria.
No, you are very incorrect in your assertion that all "successful" species share the same emotions.
I'm sure you will say you did not say share ALL THE SAME emotions, but that is what you implied.
I can't take time to explain it to you right now, but I have a feeling you already know why you are so wrong in your implications.

I really and sincerely feel sorry for some of you folks. Your determination to ridicule people and things of faith and of God simply because you have chosen another way of thinking borders on pathetic. We do not ask you to prove anything and we do not disrespect your choice.
Grow up and give us the same consideration.

Frankly, I don't give a monkey what you think of me, nor do I care what you believe about anything!

When you finally succeed in taking faith and God out of our public places, you will rightfully be the ones left to live with that choice.
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“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#138886 Jun 26, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Kitten Koder is correct. Easter was another stolen holiday of the early Christians.
Do you really think Jesus was born anywhere near December 25? The date was chosen since it was so close to Saturnalia, it had nothing to do with the actual date which was long lost.

Actually it is because of the Winter Solstice more than anything else.
Just as spring and Easter is the spring equinox.
Until the 325 Council of Nicea Easter was celebrated on the Sunday after the first full moon following the vernal equinox.

Makes you wonder why but when you look at the traditional reasons for celebration on these dates , it seems the Jesus tale was fashioned to fit with them.

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#138887 Jun 26, 2013
Man-on-Fire wrote:
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Science brought us medicine. Science brought us the evolution theory. Evolution did not bring us science.
How many hospitals around the world offer cheap to near free help for kids/people. There are many that do it in the faith of Jesus and our Lord. There are none "0" that do it in the believe of evolution.
Well, duh. Evolution is merely a scientific phenomenon.

No hospitals offer care in the belief of gravity either.

“A belief is formed personally.”

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#138888 Jun 26, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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So, long story short, Christmas is celebrated more.
At any rate let's get back to evolution.
Why don't you believe the theory of evolution?
Why do you use the benefits of the theory of evolution every day?
Long story short? Not that easy. Non-believers/evolutionists participate in Christmas that has no meaning to them. To them it is all about the material things. So they can not be added in the percentage that celebrate it for Jesus.

Mans greed and desire for material things is for the most part the biggest trouble of the world today. More people believe in living good (high on the hog) more than they believe in living good(doing right and helping others).

In the last several 100's of years the world has became corrupt over the desire of more more more no matter who or what it hurts or destroys.

“A belief is formed personally.”

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#138889 Jun 26, 2013
Oh and also the people that do help and do give are the people that still believe in and have faith in God.

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#138890 Jun 26, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Actually it is because of the Winter Solstice more than anything else.
Just as spring and Easter is the spring equinox.
Until the 325 Council of Nicea Easter was celebrated on the Sunday after the first full moon following the vernal equinox.
Makes you wonder why but when you look at the traditional reasons for celebration on these dates , it seems the Jesus tale was fashioned to fit with them.
That's ture, and of course that was why Saturnalia was held at that time.

And SHHH! Don't confuse our latest batch with the facts.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#138891 Jun 26, 2013
Man-on-Fire wrote:
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Science brought us medicine. Science brought us the evolution theory. Evolution did not bring us science.
How many hospitals around the world offer cheap to near free help for kids/people. There are many that do it in the faith of Jesus and our Lord. There are none "0" that do it in the believe of evolution.

Christianity has not cornered the market on humanitarian reasoning.
But to be fair, you have to admit evolution does not collect tithes or have a tax free status either...hmm But regardless of faith , helping people out is a human nature.

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#138892 Jun 26, 2013
Man-on-Fire wrote:
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Long story short? Not that easy. Non-believers/evolutionists participate in Christmas that has no meaning to them. To them it is all about the material things. So they can not be added in the percentage that celebrate it for Jesus.
Mans greed and desire for material things is for the most part the biggest trouble of the world today. More people believe in living good (high on the hog) more than they believe in living good(doing right and helping others).
In the last several 100's of years the world has became corrupt over the desire of more more more no matter who or what it hurts or destroys.
Nope, that does not fly.

Even without nonbelievers and Christians only Christmas is still by far the biggest holiday of the year. Easter may be behind even Halloween, which started out as a religious holiday.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#138893 Jun 26, 2013
Man-on-Fire wrote:
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Long story short? Not that easy. Non-believers/evolutionists participate in Christmas that has no meaning to them. To them it is all about the material things. So they can not be added in the percentage that celebrate it for Jesus.
Mans greed and desire for material things is for the most part the biggest trouble of the world today. More people believe in living good (high on the hog) more than they believe in living good(doing right and helping others).
In the last several 100's of years the world has became corrupt over the desire of more more more no matter who or what it hurts or destroys.
Some people might just look at it as a time of the year the family gets together, and show their love for each other.

“A belief is formed personally.”

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#138894 Jun 26, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Well, duh. Evolution is merely a scientific phenomenon.
No hospitals offer care in the belief of gravity either.
Exactly. So a world with out faith and belief in God would be a world far off worse than what it is today. But you just keep right on trying to destroy that belief and faith people have.

“A belief is formed personally.”

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#138895 Jun 26, 2013
It is said that man will eventually destroy himself. Removing all belief and faith is going in that direction. There would be no more help from charities, hospitals, people, churches, ect ect that do it all upon their faith and belief. More people would die from lack of that help. Crime would rise for more would need and because no one would have nothing to believe in anymore. No one would care as much as they do anymore. They would see their life as it all ends when I die so I might as well live the best I can now no matter who I hurt or destroy to get that. Oh you are hungry, well to bad I have no desire or reason to help you plus I am not hungry so be gone. Ect ect. I think you see the picture.

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#138896 Jun 26, 2013
Man-on-Fire wrote:
Oh and also the people that do help and do give are the people that still believe in and have faith in God.
You mean like Bill Gates?

Oh wait, no, the richest person in the U.S. and perhaps the world is an atheist and he is famous for his helping and giving.

By they way, how about all of those icky things that Jesus says you are supposed to do. Have you visited someone in jail? I have.

Helped the homeless? I have. And yes, I don't buy that bullshit about how they are victims. Most homeless men are homeless by choice. Or due to their continued desire to abuse drugs. Still you have to help the idiots sometimes.

How about the number two person for wealth in the U.S. He gives a lot to charity. Oops, Warren Buffet is an atheist too. And he gives quite a chunk of money.

Since there are far fewer atheists in the U.S. than Christians their donations will not match the total given by atheists. Atheists still give freely to charity. Don't believe people who try to tell you otherwise. And when atheists donate we are not doing it because we "have to" we do it because it is the right thing to do.

“A belief is formed personally.”

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#138897 Jun 26, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Some people might just look at it as a time of the year the family gets together, and show their love for each other.
Yes to a point. But they also have more time off work/school and more time to travel to be with that family. So they chose that day due to the extra time them have. If they all had more time During Easter than Christmas they would do it on Easter. And also being with family and loved ones makes people participate more.

Same as more people BBQ and get together on the 4th of July due to the time they have off.

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#138898 Jun 26, 2013
Man-on-Fire wrote:
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Exactly. So a world with out faith and belief in God would be a world far off worse than what it is today. But you just keep right on trying to destroy that belief and faith people have.
Now there is a non sequitur if there ever was one.

The theory of evolution only explains a scientific fact, that evolution occurred on this world.

What is good about gullibility and belief?

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#138899 Jun 26, 2013
Man-on-Fire wrote:
It is said that man will eventually destroy himself. Removing all belief and faith is going in that direction. There would be no more help from charities, hospitals, people, churches, ect ect that do it all upon their faith and belief. More people would die from lack of that help. Crime would rise for more would need and because no one would have nothing to believe in anymore. No one would care as much as they do anymore. They would see their life as it all ends when I die so I might as well live the best I can now no matter who I hurt or destroy to get that. Oh you are hungry, well to bad I have no desire or reason to help you plus I am not hungry so be gone. Ect ect. I think you see the picture.
More nonsense.

Again, what evidence do you have to support your claim? Do you seriously think that good things would not happen without churches?

I am sorry for you if your life is so empty that you would do no good without your "Mafia God" that you seem to believe in.

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