Should evolution be taught in high school?

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Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand." Full Story

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#129280 May 7, 2013
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>Humans are mammals. How does that prove evolution?
All mammals have a common ancestor.

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#129281 May 7, 2013
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Since when is "Evolution did it" ever a valid means of explaining the unknown?
The Baptists founded a well known University of Baylor, a well respected school of the sciences and still run and financed by Baptists. Here's what they have to say on the topic;

http://www.baylor.edu/chemistry/index.php...

"Statement on Evolution

The Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry at Baylor University is committed to the highest standards of scientific inquiry in the search for objective truth about the natural universe. From the time of Francis Bacon, this search for truth has been through the scientific method, in which the veracity of a hypothesis is tested by experimentation.

Evolution, a foundational principle of modern biological sciences, is supported by overwhelming scientific evidence. It is fundamental to the understanding of modern biochemistry, and our faculty incorporate the principle of evolution throughout the biochemistry curriculum. We are a science department, and we do not teach alternative hypotheses or philosophically deduced theories that cannot be tested rigorously. "

So, there is no controversy between religion and evolution. Perhaps the real issue is simply that you are an ignorant d!ck.

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#129282 May 7, 2013
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>Evolution has nothing to do with finding oil. You have no concept of what science is.
Another How's That for Stupid moment. Paleontology is about as closely tied to evolution as any science. Paleontologists are heavily used by oil companies. Oil companies do not throw money away or suffer fools gladly.

Evolutionary science is used heavily in oil exploration.

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#129283 May 7, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
HST, if you don't know anyone who worked on the book "On Pandas and People" is automatically assumed to be dishonest. The writers of that book got caught trying to break the law. It was proven in court that all they did was to take an older version and wherever there was the word "creationism", which had been found to be a religion based topic, and replaced it with "intelligent design" in once case the word "intellicreationdesign " was made by the word processor which glitched.
They were caught trying to illegally sneak religion into the class room. Not honest people at all.
You mean, "cdesign proponentsists."

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#129284 May 7, 2013
HTS wrote:
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Do you know how whales acquired the ability of transoceanic navigation?
Do you know how venom of a cobra appeared?
Do you know how a mantis shrimp acquired its unique weaponry?
Do you know how the urinary evolved through the development of two distinct embryo logic structures?
The one-size-fits-all answer to all of the above is "evolutiondidit".
Do you really think that coming up with questions that might not yet have an exact answer in any way disproves the theory of evolution? Do you think that, even if you DID somehow disprove the theory of evolution, that would in any way confirm the Bible's stories?

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#129285 May 7, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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Do you really think that coming up with questions that might not yet have an exact answer in any way disproves the theory of evolution? Do you think that, even if you DID somehow disprove the theory of evolution, that would in any way confirm the Bible's stories?
HTS wrote:
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Do you know how whales acquired the ability of transoceanic navigation?

Aura says:
I'm taking a wild guess that after swimming around in it, for a very long time. They sorta figured out which way we want to go?

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#129286 May 7, 2013
HTS wrote:
Evolution has nothing to do with finding oil.
Perhaps to the extent that the little fossilized bugs occur in a hierarchy that can be used to form a chronology. Like I said, I don't know too much about Paleontology. I just know that Science is the method of inquiry that obtains results. Oil companies employ Scientists and not Clergymen to help look for oil.
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You have no concept of what science is.
I got a degree in Biology from a decent university. You've pretended to have some sort of education in something. Right?

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#129287 May 7, 2013
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What leads you to the conclusion that evolutionary biology is "real science"?
It's derived from scientific inquiry. It works within the model described by the ToE which seems to be an accurate explanation of the development and diversity of living things. It doesn't require Magic.

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#129288 May 7, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Sure it does. It explains what we observe. PS - there is no geologic column. We laugh at you too by the way. Evolution is ridiculous.
So you deny reality. You make this too easy.

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#129289 May 7, 2013
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That's 100% BS, SZ.
It was 100% BELIEVED that strata was hundreds of millions of years old. Radiometric dating has been selectively used to validate what was assumed. Cherry picked data is scientific fraud. It is a universal characteristic of quackery.
I've already debunked your millions-of-year old strata argument by demonstrating that T.rex and allosaurus fossils are not their purported ages. So why do you persist in clinging to dogma that has been scientifically proven false? Your anti-science sentiment is obvious. Your religion takes priority over everything in your life... and you're willing to lie and distort truth to justify your amoral lifestyle.
So you don't like the real answer and thus you ignore the facts.
HTS

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#129290 May 7, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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HTS wrote:
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Do you know how whales acquired the ability of transoceanic navigation?
Aura says:
I'm taking a wild guess that after swimming around in it, for a very long time. They sorta figured out which way we want to go?
Lamarckism has been proven false.
HTS

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#129291 May 7, 2013
MADRONE wrote:
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It's derived from scientific inquiry. It works within the model described by the ToE which seems to be an accurate explanation of the development and diversity of living things. It doesn't require Magic.
Evolution is not derived from scientific inquiry. It is derived from a philosophical rejection of God. Evolution does require magic... The magic of complexity resulting from random mutations. Such a process is unknown in science. It is merely imagined.
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#129292 May 7, 2013
MADRONE wrote:
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Perhaps to the extent that the little fossilized bugs occur in a hierarchy that can be used to form a chronology. Like I said, I don't know too much about Paleontology. I just know that Science is the method of inquiry that obtains results. Oil companies employ Scientists and not Clergymen to help look for oil.
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I got a degree in Biology from a decent university. You've pretended to have some sort of education in something. Right?
A degree does not make someone a scientist. Oil exploration has nothing to do with evolution.

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#129293 May 7, 2013
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>Evolution is not derived from scientific inquiry. It is derived from a philosophical rejection of God. Evolution does require magic... The magic of complexity resulting from random mutations. Such a process is unknown in science. It is merely imagined.
You are projecting more.

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#129294 May 7, 2013
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>Oil exploration has nothing to do with evolution.
Directly? It would be a bit of a stretch to say there's a direct connection between the Theory of Evolution and Oil/Gas exploration.

But, there IS a direct relationship between Petrochemical Engineering and Geology.

And they would laugh your 10,000 year old Creation, and a global flood out of the classroom. I would also surmise that being extraordinarily educated, that the vast majority of those Petrochemical Engineers would ALSO accept the Theory of Evolution on its own merits.

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#129295 May 7, 2013
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>A degree does not make someone a scientist. Oil exploration has nothing to do with evolution.
No matter how many times you repeat that line it will not be true and Big Oil will continue to hire paleontologists to help them find oil.

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#129296 May 7, 2013
HTS wrote:
A degree does not make someone a scientist. Oil exploration has nothing to do with evolution.
So your claimed education WAS just pretend... Like all the other crazy things you claim.

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#129297 May 7, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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Directly? It would be a bit of a stretch to say there's a direct connection between the Theory of Evolution and Oil/Gas exploration.
But, there IS a direct relationship between Petrochemical Engineering and Geology.
And they would laugh your 10,000 year old Creation, and a global flood out of the classroom. I would also surmise that being extraordinarily educated, that the vast majority of those Petrochemical Engineers would ALSO accept the Theory of Evolution on its own merits.
Especially since to locate oil they must locate ancient shallow sea beds, where the organisms lived and died to create the oil.

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#129298 May 7, 2013
HTS wrote:
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Chimney, you obviously know nothing about science if you imagine that geology validates evolution.
The unintentional humour just keeps on rolling in.

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#129299 May 7, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Dying saved Christians do tend to leave this world in peace with a smile on their face while atheists tend to die in terror and agony.
If that were true it would merely be making my point. However, I can tell you quite certainly that it is not true.
And denying science is the last thing a Christian would do - it's inseparable.
False. You and HTS are right here denying science continually. You are not accepting the process of discovery because when anything is found that conflicts with your pre-conceived position that the Bible must be literally true, you will wriggle and squirm in every way you can think of to deny it. Science builds it conclusions from physical evidence, not from scripture, wherever those conclusions lead. Its that simple, yet you fail to understand it.

You can SAY you accept science all you like, but quite obviously you do not, and never will. The ONLY Christians who accept science are those who also accept that a lot of the Bible is allegorical and probably imperfect. If they accept the teachings of Christ without your idolatry of the Bible, then they are better Christians than you, who worships a false God called "scripture".

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