Should evolution be taught in high sc...

Should evolution be taught in high school?

There are 179319 comments on the www.scientificblogging.com story from Feb 24, 2008, titled Should evolution be taught in high school?. In it, www.scientificblogging.com reports that:

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."

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Level 6

Since: Aug 07

North Miami Beach, FL

#128391 Apr 27, 2013
Mugwump wrote:
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RUBBISH
You get the point perfectly well, it's just that when the failings of creation.com are laid out in front of you in black and white, you have no way of defending your continued insistence of using it as a scientific source.
However, rather than do the rational thing and admit this, you simply ignore the point and pretend you don't understand it, or other forms of prevarication .
Don't get me wrong, it's no more than I expect of you - it's just fun seeing you flap around in your denial like a lobotomised fish of a hook of facts.
Thanks for playing numbnutz.
Just what are your requirements for a "peer-reviewed" journal? I like to hear it. There is nothing that requires using people with widely differeing and even contrary perspectives. Journals such as "Evolution" certainly do not require the use of non-evolutionists!

The only reason most atheists read the Bible is to criticize and undermine its position. They have no interest in understanding it. So why should Creation Science journal choose reviewers who would approach it in the same manner?

Peer review in any setting is hardly unbiased. Humans are inherently biased. Occasionally articles are refuted later and this happens in both secular and Creation Science journals.

Many times, creation scientists have submitted articles to secular journals and everytime they are rejected. However, creation journals have accepted secular articles, and often reference secular reseach (Yes, evolutionary science hurts their own theory all by itself!).

Yes, Creation Science journals (and I agree) state their faith in the word of God and this is the foundation of our worldview. We are upfront and open about this. Although you won't find a secular journal that states their position on evolution or an old earth in plain language but they have never considered publishing the views of a creation scientist (not yet anyway). The evolutionist's statement of faith is implied in every article published on the subject; although they just don't like to admit that but have no problem readily and bolding containing specific anti-creation, anti-ID articles and declarations!

The fact is the creation science journals use the same peer review process as secular journals and the authors are every bit as qualified.

If you still have concerns you should write the Editor of such creation science journals, i.e, Creation Research Society Quarterly.
LowellGuy

United States

#128392 Apr 27, 2013
Russell wrote:
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Nope
It has not been answered at all
Providing me with a high school level link showing the structures and configurations of proteins does not answer my question
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How did genetic drift and random mutation result in a quaternary triplet code with two epigenetic codes eg histosome and splicing codes?
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This has nothing to do with protein folding and 3-D configurations
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You're suggesting that chemicals write codes
Including the codes for their own translation
No translation. No code.
LowellGuy

United States

#128393 Apr 27, 2013
Russell wrote:
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You tell me
You're always bringing up snowflakes
You're the one saying chemistry is a code.

“Seventh son”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

Will Prevail

#128394 Apr 27, 2013
Russell wrote:
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Ad hominem attacks usually begin when the opponent has no argument
You lose Batman
Aka Aura Mithra
Aka Nimrod

It's not an ad hominem attack to tell the truth.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#128395 Apr 27, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
The fact is the creation science journals use the same peer review process as secular journals and the authors are every bit as qualified.
If you still have concerns you should write the Editor of such creation science journals, i.e, Creation Research Society Quarterly.
We're not concerned. That is because they publish their own BS in their own BS publications because they are incapable of passing peer-review. That is why you will notice they publish their science papers in actual science journals but publish apologetics to CRS.

“Seventh son”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

Will Prevail

#128396 Apr 27, 2013
Russell wrote:
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Why have you named yourself after a Greek goddess?
Batman???
Really!
Aura Mithra is better but equally detested by God
You are a stupid liar now.
Mithra wasn't Greek and wasn't a woman.
But my handle has nothing to do with Mithra.
Not that it matters to me to inform you what it means I will anyway.
It means.

Are ah Myth ah In which Batman and god both are.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#128397 Apr 27, 2013
Russell wrote:
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Sure they can. They can't do "creation science" though, as that's an oxymoron:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/about/faith
"The scientific aspects of creation are important but are secondary in importance to the proclamation of the gospel of Jesus Christ as Sovereign, Creator, Redeemer, and Judge."
<quoted text>
Sooooo.....
Where's the point?
Isn't there meant to be a point...?
What is it....?
Over your head.(shrug)
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#128398 Apr 27, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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The link works fine.
Of course it does.
Completely false.
You're either on drugs or just plum crazy. Maybe you are possessed.
Now who are we to listen to? Numerous top theologians and even leading scientists from major universities? Or a fringe lunatic atheist on Topix with an axe to grind?
But Urb, you don't listen to leading scientists from major universities...

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#128399 Apr 27, 2013
Russell wrote:
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Nope
Just because someone can prove you wrong does not make them a liar
You're wrong
You've been shown to be wrong
And like dino osteocytes.....
You refuse to accept this
I never lie
Creotards do not need to lie
You are ignoring facts and history
And you are asking me to do the same
Squishy, he cannot prove me wrong.

And you are a creatard. That means you have been caught lying or are being purposefully ignorant. You lie by claiming there is no evidence for evolution when you know deep down that is all there is evidence for.

And as I have shown you are the one ignoring facts, history, and your God Damned Bible. So not only are you a liar. You are a blaspheming liar.

LOL, how can I make you ignore facts and history? That is one of the funniest charges that a creatard has ever made.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#128400 Apr 27, 2013
Russell wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope
It has not been answered at all
Providing me with a high school level link showing the structures and configurations of proteins does not answer my question
----------
How did genetic drift and random mutation result in a quaternary triplet code with two epigenetic codes eg histosome and splicing codes?
----------
This has nothing to do with protein folding and 3-D configurations
==========
You're suggesting that chemicals write codes
Including the codes for their own translation
What code via what mechanism?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#128401 Apr 27, 2013
Russell wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope
Just because someone can prove you wrong does not make them a liar
You're wrong
You've been shown to be wrong
And like dino osteocytes.....
You refuse to accept this
I never lie
Creotards do not need to lie
Creotards always lie. You make Urb look honest, and Urb's a habitual liar.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#128402 Apr 27, 2013
Russell wrote:
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The ancient island city is under water
http://www.mediterranean-geoarchaeology.com/U...
DROWNED is the term used in this geoarchaeological paper
No, at best PARTS of the ancient city are underwater.

And once again you earned the nickname Squishy by shooting yourself in the foot. The underwater part of the prophecy says that all of Tyre will be underwater. It does not say "Parts of your city will be underwater". Also if you had read the article you would have seen that a lot of the sinking that occurred happened BEFORE Nebby's attack. The island was largest about 8,000 years ago. It has sunk quite a bit since then.

So if the island was already sinking does God get all of the credit when it sank a little bit more? The rest of the island is high and dry. People still live there. The island has been rebuilt several times since the prophesy. Or do we have to wait a few thousand years more for it to sink entirely?

Your dishonesty shows by your desperation to find any article that supports you. Desperate people make foolish mistakes. You just made another foolish mistake Squishy.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#128403 Apr 27, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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I did. And all I saw was ruins and fishermen laying out their nets. It's all over the internet. You've got to be lying at this point. Did you think you'd get away with this? Did you really think that you'd be the one to overturn this fulfilled prophesy after thousands of years of people dedicating their lives to it couldn't? What were you thinking?
You did not see a city? You did not see thousands of building?

Urb, you are either one of the worst liars in the world or totally delusional.

What is hilarious is that neither you nor Squishy can keep your stories straight. You jump, flip, duck, and dodge. You go through all sorts of mental gymnastics to avoid the truth. The simple fact is that the Tyre prophesy failed terribly. You can go to Tyre today. Even the ruins on Tyre are evidence that the prophesy failed since they were rebuilt after Nebby's time. And that is only a small part of the Island.

Level 6

Since: Aug 07

North Miami Beach, FL

#128404 Apr 27, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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You did not see a city? You did not see thousands of building?
Urb, you are either one of the worst liars in the world or totally delusional.
What is hilarious is that neither you nor Squishy can keep your stories straight. You jump, flip, duck, and dodge. You go through all sorts of mental gymnastics to avoid the truth. The simple fact is that the Tyre prophesy failed terribly. You can go to Tyre today. Even the ruins on Tyre are evidence that the prophesy failed since they were rebuilt after Nebby's time. And that is only a small part of the Island.
We haven't changed the story; it's been the same for thousands of years. YOU are obviously the one doing all of that.

Level 6

Since: Aug 07

North Miami Beach, FL

#128405 Apr 27, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Creotards always lie. You make Urb look honest, and Urb's a habitual liar.
That's pretty pathetic and desparate, don't you think Dude?

Level 6

Since: Aug 07

North Miami Beach, FL

#128406 Apr 27, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Squishy, he cannot prove me wrong.
And you are a creatard. That means you have been caught lying or are being purposefully ignorant. You lie by claiming there is no evidence for evolution when you know deep down that is all there is evidence for.
And as I have shown you are the one ignoring facts, history, and your God Damned Bible. So not only are you a liar. You are a blaspheming liar.
LOL, how can I make you ignore facts and history? That is one of the funniest charges that a creatard has ever made.
The only thing you seem capable of is calling people who disagree with you childish names. That's indicative and a reflection on your character. You're such a loser.

Level 6

Since: Aug 07

North Miami Beach, FL

#128407 Apr 27, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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No translation. No code.
There is a translation and it is a code. Get an education and you'll learn about it.

Level 6

Since: Aug 07

North Miami Beach, FL

#128408 Apr 27, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
You jump, flip, duck, and dodge. You go through all sorts of mental gymnastics to avoid the truth.
Classic projection.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#128409 Apr 27, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
<quoted text>
We haven't changed the story; it's been the same for thousands of years. YOU are obviously the one doing all of that.
How am I changing the story?

Tyre is still there. The prophecy failed.

You have obviously changed your story in just the last few days. The only constant thing is you keep trying to lie for the Bible.

Urb, you cannot win a story by lying. And you have already lost this one.

One more time, look at all of the history books. The city Tyre of the prophesy is the one that is still there today.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#128410 Apr 27, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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There is a translation and it is a code. Get an education and you'll learn about it.
So you failed at the challenge and accuse others of not having an education.

I don't think you are even fooling yourself. But then you always were extremely gullible, so I could be wrong.

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