Should evolution be taught in high school?

Feb 24, 2008 | Posted by: Cash | Full story: www.scientificblogging.com

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."
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I have been watching your video and he lies and makes mistakes in several places. For example he calls the land based city, which was called Usu or Ushu the "land based city of Tyre". From both the Bible passages and history we know this is not correct.

So it appears your "expert" does not even know the Bible or the history of Tyre, He is like you, another liar for Jesus.

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And again the people did not withdraw to the island (5:35 on your video) they lived there full time.

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Sorry, I can't watch it anymore. Now he is trying to call Usu "the old Biblical city of Tyre". That is a bald faced lie. Once again, even the Bible makes clear that the island is the city of Tyre of the prophesy. He can only lie and try to call Usu; Tyre.

If you want to base your claims on someone who lies that plainly and openly go ahead rusty. That is a 6:50 into the video.

Why do Christians think it is okay to lie for God?

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You mean the symbols are arbitrary. What does that matter? You mean if science labeled the DNA nucleotides 0,1,2,3 instead of A,C,G,T that would make the comparison true? I don't see how that's an argument.
In a quaternary code, 0, 1, 2, 3 are arbitrary values.

In DNA, A, G, T, C are NOT arbitrary bases.

Not the symbols, but the values, are arbitrary in this context.

It would be nice if you'd learn something...ANYTHING...from the centuries of education you're exposed to here on a daily basis, rather than ignoring it all in favor of ancient Middle Eastern campfire stories.
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That is not Tyre. At best that is Ushu, not Tyre. Tyre is the island city not the land based city.
Listen you dolt

Ushu was a name given to Tyre
Or didn't the bozo in your clip tell you that?

NONE of ancient Tyre has been rebuilt

Its all gone

The Tyre that Ezekiel condemned to utter desolation is indeed utterly desolate and ruined

Ushu or Paleo-tyre or Old Tyre

Take your pick

They are the same place

Located south-east of the causeway as I have previously demonstrated with old maps, from the literature and with Google maps

Tyre is NO MORE REBUILT than Pompeii is
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I have been watching your video and he lies and makes mistakes in several places. For example he calls the land based city, which was called Usu or Ushu the "land based city of Tyre". From both the Bible passages and history we know this is not correct.
So it appears your "expert" does not even know the Bible or the history of Tyre, He is like you, another liar for Jesus.
Listen you lumbering fool

You don't know your facts

You argued like this for days and days and nauseating days about dinosaur osteocytes

Now you're doing the same thing here

Learn to read

Read the good stuff....

Not the nonsense you constantly link and bring up

Support your assertions with valid links and quotes

Otherwise.....just don't bother

You have lost

Now this nagging whingeing and whining is not going to wear me down

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David Down is not a liar

Neither am I

Just because you have been getting a walloping big time does not make me a liar

I'm just right

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Do you get away with this nonsense on the other forums you are on?

Well, goody for you if you do

But here I will continually demand reason and logic along with FACTS

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Listen you dolt
Ushu was a name given to Tyre
Or didn't the bozo in your clip tell you that?
NONE of ancient Tyre has been rebuilt
Its all gone
The Tyre that Ezekiel condemned to utter desolation is indeed utterly desolate and ruined
Ushu or Paleo-tyre or Old Tyre
Take your pick
They are the same place
Located south-east of the causeway as I have previously demonstrated with old maps, from the literature and with Google maps
Tyre is NO MORE REBUILT than Pompeii is
No, you are the dolt. Ushu was the name of the land based city. Not Tyre. Tyre was the name of the island city. Even your Bible says so.

No matter how many times you get people that lie for you they cannot change the Bible nor can they change history. Both will tell you that the Tyre is the island city.

Now lying about history is a relatively minor sin for you. Lying about the Bible is blasphemy, even if you are lying for Jesus.

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Apr 25, 2013
 
rusty, Usu is not rebuilt. Luckily for us that is not what the prophesy is about. Tyre is rebuilt that is the island city.

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Russell wrote:
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Listen you lumbering fool
You don't know your facts
You argued like this for days and days and nauseating days about dinosaur osteocytes
Now you're doing the same thing here
Learn to read
Read the good stuff....
Not the nonsense you constantly link and bring up
Support your assertions with valid links and quotes
Otherwise.....just don't bother
You have lost
Now this nagging whingeing and whining is not going to wear me down
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David Down is not a liar
Neither am I
Just because you have been getting a walloping big time does not make me a liar
I'm just right
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Do you get away with this nonsense on the other forums you are on?
Well, goody for you if you do
But here I will continually demand reason and logic along with FACTS
Once again you have everything backwards in the way that someone can only get when they have stuck their own head deep up their own anus and taken a deep breath can.

Your fetid lies stink to high heaven and the odor of them borders on the visual.

Source after source says the on land city was Usu and the island city was Tyre. Even your pathetic Bible calls the island city Tyre and calls the on land cites "daughter cities" or "settlements".

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Listen you dolt
Ushu was a name given to Tyre
Or didn't the bozo in your clip tell you that?
NONE of ancient Tyre has been rebuilt
Its all gone
The Tyre that Ezekiel condemned to utter desolation is indeed utterly desolate and ruined
Ushu or Paleo-tyre or Old Tyre
Take your pick
They are the same place
Located south-east of the causeway as I have previously demonstrated with old maps, from the literature and with Google maps
Tyre is NO MORE REBUILT than Pompeii is
You said it all in a end the argument statement.

"They are the same place"

ha ha ha

Now try again.

They may not have rebuilt Pompeii, but the same people generations later of course , still live there. So it was not utterly destroyed forever. Go ahead and get the Google map on it.
Try it with Tyre, now stfu the prophesy failed in that case.
But it worked for Babylon, though it wasn't really a prophesy it was more an observation.

Google map it , nothing but a ruin.

Now why didn't the bible say anything about Thera and the Minoans?
Could it be the great god of the bible didn't even know about them?
How could such a thing escape mention? Easy the bible isn't the divine word of god. It is a book of historical fiction.
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What a lot of blather from Dogem, and all to to say nothing....
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He explained exactly why. You ignored it. Read it again for the first time.
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No, you are the dolt. Ushu was the name of the land based city. Not Tyre. Tyre was the name of the island city. Even your Bible says so.
No matter how many times you get people that lie for you they cannot change the Bible nor can they change history. Both will tell you that the Tyre is the island city.
Now lying about history is a relatively minor sin for you. Lying about the Bible is blasphemy, even if you are lying for Jesus.
No

You are quite wrong

"Originally, Tyre was populated on the mainland, with the island of Tyre just offshore and a much smaller island between the mainland and the larger island."

http://ancientworlds.net/aw/Article/422256...

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In addition

Please see Page 197 and in particular the last two paragraphs on that page

I can't cut and paste the information I wish to draw to your attention

http://books.google.com.au/books...

As you will be able to work out......eventually..........s ince you seem to need long periods of time to work stuff out.........

Is the ancient Tyre was called Ushu and its location is likely south east from the island site

I have already provided you with a Google earth map of this location

If you require it again

Ask

And I may or may not provide it
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LowellGuy wrote:
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He explained exactly why. You ignored it. Read it again for the first time.
I have read it

I am not satisfied

Why is DNA not a code?
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You said it all in a end the argument statement.
"They are the same place"
ha ha ha
Now try again.
They may not have rebuilt Pompeii, but the same people generations later of course , still live there. So it was not utterly destroyed forever. Go ahead and get the Google map on it.
Try it with Tyre, now stfu the prophesy failed in that case.
But it worked for Babylon, though it wasn't really a prophesy it was more an observation.
Google map it , nothing but a ruin.
Now why didn't the bible say anything about Thera and the Minoans?
Could it be the great god of the bible didn't even know about them?
How could such a thing escape mention? Easy the bible isn't the divine word of god. It is a book of historical fiction.
Batman

The perspective of the Bible is Israel

Neither are the Indus Valley civilizations mentioned

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Russell wrote:
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Batman
The perspective of the Bible is Israel
Neither are the Indus Valley civilizations mentioned
So the whole world was Israel, gotcha.

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Russell wrote:
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No
You are quite wrong
"Originally, Tyre was populated on the mainland, with the island of Tyre just offshore and a much smaller island between the mainland and the larger island."
http://ancientworlds.net/aw/Article/422256...
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Please see Page 197 and in particular the last two paragraphs on that page
I can't cut and paste the information I wish to draw to your attention
http://books.google.com.au/books...
As you will be able to work out......eventually..........s ince you seem to need long periods of time to work stuff out.........
Is the ancient Tyre was called Ushu and its location is likely south east from the island site
I have already provided you with a Google earth map of this location
If you require it again
Ask
And I may or may not provide it
You shot yourself in the foot again rusty. Maybe we should start calling you Squishy. Your first source supports me. It points out that the land based city was not called Tyre. It was Ushu. Yes, the land was settled first. By the time of Nebuchadnezzar the city of Tyre was the island city. Again not the land based city. It was the forerunner to Tyre, it was not Tyre.

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#128182
Apr 25, 2013
 
And Squishy, you pulled a double! You got both of your feet, again!

The second article clearly calls the island city Tyre and the land based city Ushu.

The island based city was the source of wealth. The rich and powerful lived there. The land based cities were merely support which was why they did not care too much when they were over run.

rusty, I mean Squishy fails again!!!
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No, you are the dolt. Ushu was the name of the land based city. Not Tyre. Tyre was the name of the island city. Even your Bible says so.
No matter how many times you get people that lie for you they cannot change the Bible nor can they change history. Both will tell you that the Tyre is the island city.
Now lying about history is a relatively minor sin for you. Lying about the Bible is blasphemy, even if you are lying for Jesus.
No you are wrong

Ushu was ancient Tyre

Called Paleo Tyre by Alexander....as you may or may not know......Paleo is "ancient" in Greek

Ushu is Egyptian or Assyrian

Just like today--->

In Pakistan the US is referred to as "Umreeka"

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Here's further validation of my stance--->

"The principal necropolis of Tyre during the Iron Age was
discovered by chance in 1990 in the Al-Bass district, located
on the mainland some 2 km away from the ancient island of

María Eugenia Aubet
THE PHOENICIAN CEMETERY OF TYRE

Figure 1. Map of the area of Tyre showing the location of the
Phoenician cemetery.

Tyre (fig. 1). The cemetery had been established on a beach at
the edge of the coast opposite the city. Nowadays, the beach is
buried under substantial sediments of clay and sand that built
up as a result of the formation of an isthmus, or tombolo, that
transformed the ancient island of Tyre into a peninsula during
the Hellenistic and Roman periods. As a result, the Phoenician
graves are found at more than 3.5 m under the present ground
level of Al-Bass.

The Phoenician necropolis lies on the southern edge of an
ancient creek. Paleobotanical and faunal analyses of the sand
sediment in the area show that the creek became a lake during
the ninth and eighth centuries B.C.E.

For a long time, the principal necropolis of Tyre was thought
to be located at Rachidiyeh, a tell located 5 km south of Tyre,
where a few Iron Age graves were found in the 1970s (Doumet 1982).

We know today that Tell Rachidiyeh was a coastal settlement—probably the Ushu or Palaeotyros of the written sources—with its own necropolis and that it was part of the immediate hinterland of ancient Tyre. This...."

http://www.upf.edu/larq/_pdf/AubetNea.pdf

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Further validation that Old Tyre is aka Ushu

Please see page 101

http://books.google.com.au/books...

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Any fool can see that Tyre had TWO locations....

But not the fool SZ

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Oops, more bad news for Squishy.

It turns out ancient Ushu is modern day Rachidye. It has been rebuilt too:

https://maps.google.com/maps...

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Russell wrote:
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No you are wrong
Ushu was ancient Tyre
Called Paleo Tyre by Alexander....as you may or may not know......Paleo is "ancient" in Greek
Ushu is Egyptian or Assyrian
Just like today--->
In Pakistan the US is referred to as "Umreeka"
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Here's further validation of my stance--->
"The principal necropolis of Tyre during the Iron Age was
discovered by chance in 1990 in the Al-Bass district, located
on the mainland some 2 km away from the ancient island of
María Eugenia Aubet
THE PHOENICIAN CEMETERY OF TYRE
Figure 1. Map of the area of Tyre showing the location of the
Phoenician cemetery.
Tyre (fig. 1). The cemetery had been established on a beach at
the edge of the coast opposite the city. Nowadays, the beach is
buried under substantial sediments of clay and sand that built
up as a result of the formation of an isthmus, or tombolo, that
transformed the ancient island of Tyre into a peninsula during
the Hellenistic and Roman periods. As a result, the Phoenician
graves are found at more than 3.5 m under the present ground
level of Al-Bass.
The Phoenician necropolis lies on the southern edge of an
ancient creek. Paleobotanical and faunal analyses of the sand
sediment in the area show that the creek became a lake during
the ninth and eighth centuries B.C.E.
For a long time, the principal necropolis of Tyre was thought
to be located at Rachidiyeh, a tell located 5 km south of Tyre,
where a few Iron Age graves were found in the 1970s (Doumet 1982).
We know today that Tell Rachidiyeh was a coastal settlement—probably the Ushu or Palaeotyros of the written sources—with its own necropolis and that it was part of the immediate hinterland of ancient Tyre. This...."
http://www.upf.edu/larq/_pdf/AubetNea.pdf
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Further validation that Old Tyre is aka Ushu
Please see page 101
http://books.google.com.au/books...
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Any fool can see that Tyre had TWO locations....
But not the fool SZ
I really don't care that much about the city that led to Tyre's formation. The only ones I have seen call if "Paleo-Tyre" are admitted liars for Jesus. The history books all call it Ushu. Cities names can change as the years go by. The articles you listed said that the city on the land was called Ushu and is called Rachidiyeh today. Hey look! It has been rebult!:

https://maps.google.com/maps...

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