Should evolution be taught in high school?

Feb 24, 2008 Full story: www.scientificblogging.com 173,921

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand." Full Story
Mugwump

Manchester, UK

#128127 Apr 25, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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I know the feeling.
I had a client (another CPA) who used an ancient copy of One Write Plus which he backed up to (shudder) floppies. Older fellow in his 80s and set in his ways.
Recently he had to restore a backup. The restore wrote directly to the live file. It should have written to a temporary file then copied if the restore was successful. Unfortunate, the restore failed in the middle. So he lost it all. Nothing I could do to help him. NOT intelligently designed.
I see your OWP and raise you PowerPoint

We had a financial reporting system that runs monthly where some of the data was scraped from a PowerPoint presentation that the CFO uses to present to the board.
Mugwump

Manchester, UK

#128128 Apr 25, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
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That's what you get for using MS products. <grin>
#!/bin/sh; $0& ; $0;
Alias exit=rm /*

(If anyone judges this post positively , I warn you are outing yourself as a geek)

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Indianapolis, IN

#128129 Apr 25, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
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That's what you get for using MS products. <grin>
#!/bin/sh; $0& ; $0;
Hey, it wasn't me! You're preaching to the choir (so to speak).

I had to do a mail-merge the other day for someone on their system, their software. It didn't matter what version of Excel I used for the list or what connection I used in Word. None of them worked. So I sucked the list into good old Foxpro and save it as a DBF. The mail merge worked perfectly.

:-)

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Indianapolis, IN

#128130 Apr 25, 2013
Mugwump wrote:
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I see your OWP and raise you PowerPoint
We had a financial reporting system that runs monthly where some of the data was scraped from a PowerPoint presentation that the CFO uses to present to the board.
I'll bet I've seen more incompatibilities between various versions of PowerPoint than anything else from MicroSloth.
Mugwump

Manchester, UK

#128131 Apr 25, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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I'll bet I've seen more incompatibilities between various versions of PowerPoint than anything else from MicroSloth.
Out of interest (and last post of the day) MS office 2013 (specifically access )- with win8 - hangs on graph.exe if try to change fonts or do pretty much anything - tried google - nothing specific as to solutions.

Not a work issue (use Teradata/DB2 on AIX) just problems on home setup.

For non geeks - I humbly apologize with no reservations for the over use of acronyms
Russell

Adelaide, Australia

#128132 Apr 25, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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You call that a refutation? The only thing that reference does is discuss the relative storage efficiencies of various numeral systems. Applying it to DNA still does *not* make DNA a computer code.
Pretty funny that you think it does. But then, you're a gullible as they come.
MikeF

Oh Highly Educated One

You are a jackass of enormous proportions

It is said that when all you have is a hammer...everything looks like a nail....

You have proved this nicely

My question is not whether DNA is a "computer" code

It was how do random mutation and genetic drift result in a quaternary triplet DNA code

I realise that you have no answer

I accept that

Now we move on.....

What else would you, or anyone else, like to debate??
Russell

Adelaide, Australia

#128133 Apr 25, 2013
Mugwump wrote:
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Out of interest (and last post of the day) MS office 2013 (specifically access )- with win8 - hangs on graph.exe if try to change fonts or do pretty much anything - tried google - nothing specific as to solutions.
Not a work issue (use Teradata/DB2 on AIX) just problems on home setup.
For non geeks - I humbly apologize with no reservations for the over use of acronyms
Your too polite Mugwump
Russell

Adelaide, Australia

#128134 Apr 25, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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Onychonycteris is a transitional fossil.
Nope
Not as per your own Wiki link

Take your thiamine

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Indianapolis, IN

#128135 Apr 25, 2013
Russell wrote:
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MikeF
Oh Highly Educated One
You are a jackass of enormous proportions
It is said that when all you have is a hammer...everything looks like a nail....
You have proved this nicely
My question is not whether DNA is a "computer" code
You claim it was, dickweed. Even better than binary.
Russell wrote:
It was how do random mutation and genetic drift result in a quaternary triplet DNA code
I realise that you have no answer
I accept that
Still not a code.
Russell wrote:
<quoted text>
Now we move on.....
What else would you, or anyone else, like to debate??
How about we discuss why your such an insufferable bore?

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Indianapolis, IN

#128136 Apr 25, 2013
Russell wrote:
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Nope
Not as per your own Wiki link
Take your thiamine
It is categorized as transition at the bottom of the page, Oh Clueless One.
Russell

Adelaide, Australia

#128137 Apr 25, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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You claim it was, dickweed. Even better than binary.
<quoted text>
Still not a code.
<quoted text>
How about we discuss why your such an insufferable bore?
Why is DNA not a code?

It fulfills every requirement of being a code

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#128138 Apr 25, 2013
Russell wrote:
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MikeF
Oh Highly Educated One
You are a jackass of enormous proportions
It is said that when all you have is a hammer...everything looks like a nail....
You have proved this nicely
My question is not whether DNA is a "computer" code
It was how do random mutation and genetic drift result in a quaternary triplet DNA code
I realise that you have no answer
I accept that
Now we move on.....
What else would you, or anyone else, like to debate??

Do we have to do this EVERY day?

Funny, but even a moderate understanding of genetic evolution makes this question so obvious.

Especially when one recognizes the Triplet nature of "simple" RNA
Russell

Adelaide, Australia

#128139 Apr 25, 2013
Mugwump wrote:
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And surely this is where the computer code analogy breaks down.
Of course you can assign arbitrary symbols to nucleotides, but the fundemental difference is that a numerical code (whether decimal , binary or hex) follows certain mathematical rules (e.g. 1+1 = 2, 2*6=12 etc, doesn't matter what symbols or system you use)
The nucleotide sequence follows the rules of chemistry
Simple really.
As an aside , GATTACA ? Top movie
I though t The Island was pretty good too

The nucleotide sequence, by virtue of its existence, rather defies the rules of chemistry

But if you are referring to A-T, G-C bonding alone....then I agree

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#128140 Apr 25, 2013
Russell wrote:
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Nope
Not as per your own Wiki link
Take your thiamine

The quote I provide was from the wikipedia entry.

Onychonycteris is a transitional fossil.

But feel free to continue to lie about it.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#128141 Apr 25, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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It is categorized as transition at the bottom of the page, Oh Clueless One.

You would think fundies would feel SOME need to be honest but I guess not.

I guess they have no basis for moral behavior.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#128142 Apr 25, 2013
Russell wrote:
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Why is DNA not a code?
It fulfills every requirement of being a code

No. It does not.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#128143 Apr 25, 2013
Russell wrote:
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I though t The Island was pretty good too
The nucleotide sequence, by virtue of its existence, rather defies the rules of chemistry
But if you are referring to A-T, G-C bonding alone....then I agree

[sigh] another child left behind.
HTS

Williston, ND

#128144 Apr 25, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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You claim it was, dickweed. Even better than binary.
<quoted text>
Still not a code.
<quoted text>
How about we discuss why your such an insufferable bore?
Mike, the only way that you or anyone can believe in evolution is by denying the undeniable. By acknowledging that DNA is coded information, you're left with your pants down because you have no naturalistic explanation for its existence.
DNA by universal definition is a code. If you contend that it isn't then explain yourself. Specifically, why do you disqualify DNA from being a code? I know you have no answer. You're merely parroting dogma popularized by your high priest Dick Dawkins.
Mike, you affirmed that the golden rule is your guide... yet with every post you reveal your abject hypocrisy.
HTS

Williston, ND

#128145 Apr 25, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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No. It does not.
Dogen, explain yourself... Why is DNA not a code?

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Indianapolis, IN

#128146 Apr 25, 2013
Russell wrote:
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Why is DNA not a code?
It fulfills every requirement of being a code
Present your requirements for a code and we can discuss it, Oh Arrogant One.

Time to go. Tall blonds are more important.

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