Should evolution be taught in high sc...

Should evolution be taught in high school?

There are 179706 comments on the www.scientificblogging.com story from Feb 24, 2008, titled Should evolution be taught in high school?. In it, www.scientificblogging.com reports that:

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."

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#127852 Apr 22, 2013
Russell wrote:
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I have a case to build that starts with Ezekiel 26:3

When are you going to start?

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#127854 Apr 22, 2013
Russell wrote:
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Immanuel is Hebrew for God is with us
You're right about memes
That is why I hate evolution
No validation

False. Evolution has been more validated than any other theory I can personally name. I bet you don't even know what the word "validation" means in science.

Typical creotard.
Russell wrote:
<quoted text> Can't be tested

As it HAS been tested that makes your assertion rather moot.
Russell wrote:
<quoted text> Never been observed

LOL. Now you are just pulling my leg.
Russell wrote:
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There are stacks of evidence for Jesus

No, actually, all of the "evidence" for Jesus from non-biblical sources can be written on a 3x5 card with plenty of room left over.

Try it if you don't believe me!
Russell wrote:
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The Bible is held in HIGH esteem by scholars of ancient texts at Havard, Cambridge and Oxford

But not the way you think. Not as a literal, error free, dictation from God.
Russell wrote:
<quoted text> As texts of antiquity go, it has no parallel

In what sense?

There are many texts from antiquity that are undisputed.

There are texts from antiquity where the source author is known - almost never the case for biblical books.

There are books from antiquity that are better written.

There are books from antiquity that have higher internal consistency (CRV).
Russell wrote:
<quoted text> It is utterly, hands down a complete winner

In what sense?
Russell wrote:
<quoted text> ....Biblical archaeologist

There is no such thing.

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#127855 Apr 22, 2013
Russell wrote:
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Yes
Please do that
There are atoms and molecules aplenty
But last I checked spontaneous generation was completely discredited
Or do you disagree?
If so
Evidence please

LOL. You don't know the difference between 'spontaneous generation' and abiogenesis!!!!!

Hysterical!

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#127856 Apr 22, 2013
Russell wrote:
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I know you're quite frantic that Ezekiel 26: 3 should mean what you want
But you're wrong
You're trying to read into a clear cut verse something that just s not there
MANY NATIONS
Means MANY........more than one....NATIONS
Babylon is ONE nation
Your argument is faulty
No where in Scripture does God say that Nebuchadnezzar would be the sole instigator and perpetrator of Tyre's devastation
NO WHERE
Just the opposite
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Scripture clearly states that MANY NATIONS would be brought against Tyre
Ezekiel 26:3 “Therefore thus says the Lord God:‘Behold, I am against you, O Tyre, and will cause many nations to come up against you, as the sea causes its waves to come up.
Notice---> "as the sea causes its waves to come up"
What on earth could that mean?
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Its a metaphor for waves of nations
Carol Newsom of Emory University has grasped the significance of this metaphor very nicely in the following remarks:
It is the utter restlessness of the ocean. No one wave may bring full destruction… It is the unending succession of waves that destroys even the strongest rock…Equally, the Babylonian opponents of Tyre, included as the “many nations,” are imaged in such a way that they appear not as independent powers, but merely as episodes in Yahweh’s patient, powerful sovereignty (1987:192, emphasis added).
Thus, by taking a close look at Ezekiel’s literary artistry, Newsom has reached the conclusion that Nebuchadnezzar’s campaign is simply one episode out of a continuous succession of nation after nation. She has correctly discerned that Ezekiel is describing a gradual process of one nation after another slowly wearing down Tyre, rather than Nebuchadnezzar doing it all at once. Her insight into this metaphor of waves shows the changes from singular to plural in this passage are not merely random variations, but are intentional and significant to grasping the meaning of the prophecy. It is of note that she is not interested in defending a conservative position for this passage, but is simply showing how the prophet used his metaphors.
Author Nina Jidejian summarizes the history of Tyre after Nebuchadnezzar:
Looking down into the water one can see a mass of granite columns and stone blocks strewn over the sea bottom. Until recently the ruins of Tyre above water were few. How was the ancient metropolis of Phoenicia so utterly demolished? Devastated by drawn-out sieges and earthquakes throughout her long history, Tyre from the 18th century onward has served as a “quarry” for the whole coast. Her stones may be found as far away as Acre and Beirut (1996: 13–14).
http://www.biblearchaeology.org/post/2009/12/...

I did not see anything in this post that I have not previously refuted.

Please let me know if you come up with anything new.

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#127857 Apr 22, 2013
Russell wrote:
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Irrelevant
Now this is special pleading aka whining
Many nations means many nations
The fact that the surrounding areas were attacked or not is completely irrelevant
I can think clearly Bud
You are not convincing me of diddly squat
God said He would bring many nations against Tyre
Of which ONE was Babylon
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Any further inferences or extrapolations are just nonsensical and the ranting of misotheists desperate for God's word to be untrue
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The scriptures are CLEAR
Tyre would be destroyed by many nations......like waves .....many waves of nations that would wreak Tyre's destruction
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Stop putting words into my mouth
Stop putting words into Scripture that JUST ARE NOT THERE
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Plain reading of the Bible is that MANY NATIONS would be involved in the destruction of Tyre
MANY NATIONS
M-A-N-Y N-A-T-I-O-N-S


Nebuchadnezzar
Nebuchadnezzar
Nebuchadnezzar
Nebuchadnezzar
Nebuchadnezzar
Nebuchadnezzar
Nebuchadnezzar

For someone who can think clearly your thinking is clear as mud.
Russell

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#127858 Apr 22, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
Noah's flood does not explain fossils.
Why are they sorted in the manner that they are sorted? The fossils fit an evolutionary paradigm perfectly. All creationist paradigms fall flat on their faces.
Ever heard of flume experiments?

By the way

They are not in any wonderful order....wonderful for evo-tards

Have you not read UC's recent post about this?
Urban Cowboy wrote:
Do people realize that the rock layers where - right along side of - Archaeopteryx were found also had fossils of modern-appearing animals, such as sharks, guitar fish, horseshoe crabs, dragonflies, turtles, lizards, lobsters, crayfish, shrimp, cockroaches, woodwasps, waterbugs, grasshoppers, beetles, scorpian flies, water skeeters, sea urchins, sea stars, and prawns. All appearing as modern animals today. Do they REALIZE THIS? This tells me - obviously - that evolution did not occur. Archaeopteryx is just an extinct bird. What other conclusion is there?
Have you not seen Ian Juby's "I TOAD YOU SO?"

You must

Its great

I have to make a trip to the Barr Smith library and check his references.....they're SO OLD!
Russell

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#127860 Apr 22, 2013
How could I forget the best!
Silly me...silly, silly

http://creation.com/the-fossil-record
Russell

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#127861 Apr 22, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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Nebuchadnezzar
Nebuchadnezzar
Nebuchadnezzar
Nebuchadnezzar
Nebuchadnezzar
Nebuchadnezzar
Nebuchadnezzar
For someone who can think clearly your thinking is clear as mud.
MANY nations is not Nebuchadnezzar

Cry all you like.........just not on my shoulder, thanks mate

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#127862 Apr 22, 2013
Russell wrote:
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And of course "clever you" will soon be showing me the mistakes in his science, right....?
I'm still waiting for a rebuttal of the HLA-DRB comments...
How long has it been now....?
....months?

How many friggin' times do I have to refute that?

If you are going to lie compulsively,....

There is nothing I can do about it!!!

ARGGGG!!!!

Oh well.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/...

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#127863 Apr 22, 2013
Russell wrote:
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MANY NATIONS
Stop wriggling around squealing like a stuck pig, mate
So you don't like that Bible prophesy is true
So you're trying like a headless chook to to 'disprove' scripture by ignoring inconvenient posts
God said He would bring many nations against Tyre....like waves of the sea......many waves....many nations
Which part of that simple verse is not clear?

Seems like Yahweh left out the parts about being just as mad at every other city in the middle east as he was with Tyre.

Actually, Tyre fared much better than many, including most of the towns in Israel.

Nebuchadnezzar failed. That is an error in the bible and refutes any claim of prophecy in the Tyre scripture.

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#127864 Apr 22, 2013
Russell wrote:
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I'm no Bible scholar,

That is perfectly obvious.

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#127865 Apr 22, 2013
Russell wrote:
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I never said it was not
Imagine that

That was not the part I was saying you were wrong about, numbnuts.

That was just the unfortunate fact you were avoiding.

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#127866 Apr 22, 2013
Russell wrote:
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Yes
Astronomy for babies
Thanks SZ
Where has evolution happened in the lab?
I must have missed that somehow
Enlighten me.....at the speed of light
Not instantaneous, of course
But billions of years old

Don't you ever read anything outside of creotard nonsense?

Maybe if you kept up on science, just a little, you would not be asking such things.

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#127867 Apr 22, 2013
Russell wrote:
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MANY nations is not Nebuchadnezzar
Cry all you like.........just not on my shoulder, thanks mate

Already covered this. You did not even respond.

I am bored with my little toy.

goodnight.
Russell

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#127868 Apr 22, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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And he did. Nebby's was a multinational force.
The bible has that part of the HISTORY right.
"Many nations is mentioned in Ezekiel 26:3

Right in the opening verses of the prophesy

When is Nebuchadnezzar first mentioned?

Oh dear

Much later on in Ezekiel 26:7

It seems that Nebuchadnezzar was a SUBSET of many nations

Tsk tsk...

You're wrong
Russell

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#127869 Apr 22, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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How many friggin' times do I have to refute that?
If you are going to lie compulsively,....
There is nothing I can do about it!!!
ARGGGG!!!!
Oh well.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/...
What is your reference supposed to tell me?

I see no refutation in that abstract

I do note that the paper is dated 1996

My references are more recent

Like

Bregstrom, T F et al,“Recent origin of HLA-DRB1 alleles and implications for human evolution”, Nature Genetics 18, 1998: 237-242

And

Doxiadis et al,“Reshuffling of ancient binding motifs between HLA-DRB1 multigene family members:Old wine served in new wineskins,” Molecular Immunology 45, 2008: 2743-2751

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Back to the drawing board with you, old boy
Russell

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#127870 Apr 22, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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Don't you ever read anything outside of creotard nonsense?
Maybe if you kept up on science, just a little, you would not be asking such things.
I actually do

Hence I run rings around you, Dogem

Not that you'd want to notice.....in your little air bubble an' all

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#127871 Apr 22, 2013
Russell wrote:
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"Many nations is mentioned in Ezekiel 26:3
Right in the opening verses of the prophesy
When is Nebuchadnezzar first mentioned?
Oh dear
Much later on in Ezekiel 26:7
It seems that Nebuchadnezzar was a SUBSET of many nations
Tsk tsk...
You're wrong
No you idiot. Nebby was the head of the many nations. The Bible even says so.

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#127872 Apr 22, 2013
Here is a Wiki article on perhaps the most famous evolutionary experimentation in the laboratory:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._coli_long-ter...

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#127873 Apr 22, 2013
Russell wrote:
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Ever heard of flume experiments?
By the way
They are not in any wonderful order....wonderful for evo-tards
Have you not read UC's recent post about this?
<quoted text>
Have you not seen Ian Juby's "I TOAD YOU SO?"
You must
Its great
I have to make a trip to the Barr Smith library and check his references.....they're SO OLD!
Please, if there is any bigger of a failure than Ian Juby you would be hard pressed to find one.

Ian knows his experiments were faulty. He proved it.

One simple question, where is his peer reviewed article?

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