Should evolution be taught in high sc...

Should evolution be taught in high school?

There are 180369 comments on the www.scientificblogging.com story from Feb 24, 2008, titled Should evolution be taught in high school?. In it, www.scientificblogging.com reports that:

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."

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#127698 Apr 21, 2013
Now how about one of you evotards show us the evolution of flowering plants and fruits. Bet you can't do it. That's because Macroevolution never happened. What a shock.

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#127699 Apr 21, 2013
Russell wrote:
Tyre would lose its power over the sea
Bible prophecy: Zechariah 9:3-4
Prophecy written: Between 520 and 518 BC
Prophecy fulfilled: Since 332 BC
In Zechariah 9:3-4, the prophet said that the Phoenician city of Tyre would lose its status as a powerful nation on the Mediterranean Sea. Today there is a city called Tyre that is either on, or near, the original Phoenician site. But this Tyre is a small city in modern-day Lebanon. It is certainly not the powerful nation that it was in the days of Zechariah.
Zechariah 9:3-4:
Tyre has built herself a stronghold; she has heaped up silver like dust, and gold like the dirt of the streets.
But the Lord will take away her possessions and destroy her power on the sea, and she will be consumed by fire.
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Phoenician Tyre would never again be found
Bible prophecy: Ezekiel 26:21
Prophecy written: Between 587-586 BC
Prophecy fulfilled: After 332 BC
In Ezekiel 26:21, the prophet said that the Phoenician city of Tyre would be brought to an end and would never again be found. When Alexander the Great destroyed the city in 332 BC, he brought an end to the Phoenician Empire. The Empire was never revived or "found" again. As for the city itself, it has been torn down and built upon by a succession of foreign powers. Today, finding artifacts from the original Phoenician Tyre is difficult. According to the Columbia Encyclopedia, Fifth Edition: "The principal ruins of the city today are those of buildings erected by the Crusaders. There are some Greco-Roman remains, but any left by the Phoenicians lie underneath the present town." - Copyright George Konig, Ray Konig and 100Prophecies.org
Ezekiel 26:21:
I will bring you to a horrible end and you will be no more. You will be sought, but you will never again be found, declares the Sovereign Lord."
Phoenician Tyre would never be rebuilt
Bible prophecy: Ezekiel 26:14
Prophecy written: Between 587-586 BC
Prophecy fulfilled: Since 332 BC
In Ezekiel 26:14, the prophet says the Phoenician city of Tyre would be destroyed and never be rebuilt. This was fulfilled when Alexander the Great conquered Tyre in 332 BC. His conquest brought an end to the Phoenician Empire. The empire never recovered from the attack. And so, it could never rebuild Tyre. Other nations and empires have built and rebuilt cities on or near the original Phoenician site.- Copyright George Konig, Ray Konig and 100Prophecies.org
Ezekiel 26:14:
I will make you a bare rock, and you will become a place to spread fishnets. You will never be rebuilt, for I the Lord have spoken, declares the Sovereign Lord.
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Completely fulfilled prophesy
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COMPLETELY

You just gave a list of failed "prophecies" and then assert they were filled.

Isn't that about the most juvenile way you could handle this loss?

We know where Tyre is.

It was not destroyed by Nebby

It was not even completely destroyed by Alex.

Zek did not write about the fall of the Phoenician empire. Only about Tyre

Tyre was not a "nation".

There is no evidence that it was "consumed by fire"

The siege of Tyre ended in a truce in 573 b.c.
The Book of Ezekiel was written in about 570 b.c.

Which came first?

Another ooops.

You did not lose. You got crushed.

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#127700 Apr 21, 2013
Russell wrote:
<quoted text>
Please read Ezekiel 26: 3
What does it say there?

Nebby commanded armies from many nations. so what?

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#127701 Apr 21, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
<quoted text>
Listen fool, Ezekiel prophesied the destruction of ancient city of Tyre. The first stage Nebuchadnezzar beseiged the mainland city for 13 years and destroyed it. Then the second stage Alexander The Great beseiged the island city of Tyre for 7 years. He built a causway to the islandby scraping the rubble and debris ruins of the mainland as solid material to make a causway. Therefore rubble from the old *Phoenecian* city of Tyre is either bured or submerged in the sea. This is an amazingly accurate Biblical prophesy fullfillment.
"Behold, I am against you, O Tyre, and will bring up many nations against you, as the sea brings up its waves. 4 They shall destroy the walls of Tyre and break down her towers, and I will scrape her soil from her and make her a bare rock." Ezekiel 26:3-4
That somebody else could come along 300 years later and attack the city again was not part of the prophecy.

To show how idiotic that prophecy is if you are that loose with it then I will give you the challenge that rusty failed. Find one other major city in that area that was not defeated sometime in that time period.

If you cannot find at least one then a prediction of defeat is not a prediction at all, it was a surety for anyone in that part of the world.

And again, the city that Nebby was supposed to destroy was the island city. Read the damn prophesy. Or do I have to do it for you?
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Since: Aug 07

Miami, FL

#127702 Apr 21, 2013
"The apparently sudden appearance of relatively modern flowers in the fossil record initially posed such a problem for the theory of evolution that it was called an "abominable mystery" by Charles Darwin.[4] However, the fossil record has considerably grown since the time of Darwin, and recently discovered angiosperm fossils such as Archaefructus, along with further discoveries of fossil gymnosperms, suggest how angiosperm characteristics may have been acquired in a series of steps. Several groups of extinct gymnosperms, in particular seed ferns, have been proposed as the ancestors of flowering plants,

*but there is no continuous fossil evidence*

showing exactly how flowers evolved."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angiosperm#Evolu...

Here we go again (some more....) Do I need to say it again?

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#127703 Apr 21, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
Now how about one of you evotards show us the evolution of flowering plants and fruits. Bet you can't do it. That's because Macroevolution never happened. What a shock.
We could but you are too big of a tard to recognize the evidence if we gave it to you. But here is a started article for you:

http://lifeofplant.blogspot.com/2011/12/angio...

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Since: Sep 08

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#127704 Apr 21, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
"The apparently sudden appearance of relatively modern flowers in the fossil record initially posed such a problem for the theory of evolution that it was called an "abominable mystery" by Charles Darwin.[4] However, the fossil record has considerably grown since the time of Darwin, and recently discovered angiosperm fossils such as Archaefructus, along with further discoveries of fossil gymnosperms, suggest how angiosperm characteristics may have been acquired in a series of steps. Several groups of extinct gymnosperms, in particular seed ferns, have been proposed as the ancestors of flowering plants,
*but there is no continuous fossil evidence*
showing exactly how flowers evolved."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angiosperm#Evolu...
Here we go again (some more....) Do I need to say it again?
So what?

Why do you think that is a problem?

Did you notice that angiosperms were land based? Do you know how fossils form?

Of course not.

Try to learn what you are arguing against and you might find a reasonable objection.

Creationists cannot explain the late appearance of angiosperms at all.

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#127705 Apr 21, 2013
Russell wrote:
<quoted text>
Jude 1:7
King James Version (KJV)
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Jude 1:7 7 Do not forget Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns, which were filled with obscene acts, moral corruption And burglaries. All these cities were burned and destroyed, and they serve as a cautionary tale for us
God punishes the wicked in hell.
[Literal (word for word) translation.

7 Likewise, Sodom and Gomorrah and the neighboring towns, which indulged in sexual immorality in the same way as the angels and pursued unnatural desire, are exhibited as an example by undergoing the punishment of eternal fire. Mounce Reverse-Interlinear New Testament

So, it is not clear what sins the bible is talking about here. The only verses where the sins are spelled out (the ones I gave) homosexuality is not listed.

If you read some of the bible commentaries you find out this may have been in reference to temple prostitutes.


Russell wrote:
<quoted text> Romans 1:26-27

Not relevant.

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#127706 Apr 21, 2013
Dogen wrote:
<quoted text>
Nebby commanded armies from many nations. so what?
LOL, exactly what I said.

“ad victoriam”

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Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#127707 Apr 21, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
Now how about one of you evotards show us the evolution of flowering plants and fruits. Bet you can't do it. That's because Macroevolution never happened. What a shock.
You do realize humans forced the evolution of corn, which was little more than a seeded grass 10,000 years ago? The cultivation and selective breeding caused it to evolve into the big ears we so love to chow down on now. But plants have evolved over time also, it is inescapable.

http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/variat...

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#127708 Apr 21, 2013
Russell wrote:
<quoted text>
The DNA code requires translation by protein machinery also coded on DNA
These proteins like DNA polymerase, ligase, RNA polymerase, ribozymes in order to be replicated or translated
It carries the sequences of information that lead to the manufacture of proteins
Including the proteins the carry out the translation and replication
The code is faithfully replicated
Error correction occurs millions of time each day in every cell in our systems
The periodic table contains information
But it does not produce anything in its self
Translating it will not lead to a rabbit or a fish being produced

Missing the point.

The definition of "sin" (lit: to miss the mark).

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#127709 Apr 21, 2013
Russell wrote:
<quoted text>
What does it say?
Don't be shy
Write here what it says

I have produced it word for word, several times.

It is you that insists on shuffling the deck to put the cards in the order you like.

You are duplicitous to the last.

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#127710 Apr 21, 2013
Russell wrote:
<quoted text>
What does Ezekiel 26:3 say
Write it here
Pompei has buildings and people
No one in their right mind would argue that ancient Pompeii has been rebuilt
Write here what Ezekiel 26:3 states
Do it

What the frig does Pompeii (correct spelling) have to do with Tyre?

You will say anything to hide from reality.

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#127711 Apr 21, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
"The genetic code is the set of rules by which information encoded within genetic material (DNA or mRNA sequences) is translated into proteins (amino acid sequences) by living cells. Biological decoding is accomplished by the ribosome, which links amino acids in an order specified by mRNA, using transfer RNA (tRNA) molecules to carry amino acids and to read the mRNA three nucleotides at a time. The genetic code is highly similar among all organisms, and can be expressed in a simple table with 64 entries."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_code
Even mainstream sources refer to DNA as a code. These "vodoo darwin zombees" on here are out in left field when it comes to even secular science. It meets every conceivable definition of a code; yet, they refuse to acknowledge that because it threatens their ideology.

For the 1000th time, it is a "code". It is not a 'code'.

Duh!

these "vodoo creotard zombees" on here are out in left field when it comes to even secular science. It meets a very narrow definition of a code; yet, they refuse to acknowledge that because it threatens their ideology.

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#127712 Apr 21, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
What about bird evolution? What about Archaeopteryx? It perches like a bird and has feathers and wings capable of flight. So it is a bird. So then if Archaeopteryx is indeed a bird, then there really are NO Ancestors to Birds! If we have collected some half million bird and dinosaur fossils and science cannot even demonstrate a single reptile (or anything else) evolving into a bird, what does that say about bird evolution? Just like all the other animals I have discussed: thousands and thousands of them and not a single ancestor of a different kind. Why are the scales so radically tipped in favor of evolution? With evolution there is NO evidence; yet, the mainstream believes in it. All the evidence points to Creation yet we are thought by the secular community as wrong? Why is the world upside down?

Actually, it is more a theropod dinosaur than a bird.

Epic fail, as is your custom.
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Since: Aug 07

Miami, FL

#127713 Apr 21, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
That somebody else could come along 300 years later and attack the city again was not part of the prophecy.
To show how idiotic that prophecy is if you are that loose with it then I will give you the challenge that rusty failed. Find one other major city in that area that was not defeated sometime in that time period.
If you cannot find at least one then a prediction of defeat is not a prediction at all, it was a surety for anyone in that part of the world.
And again, the city that Nebby was supposed to destroy was the island city. Read the damn prophesy. Or do I have to do it for you?
You can't possibly understand anything about the Bible. The mainland city was destroyed and then they escaped to the island fortress which was also destroyed. You don't understand. Stop torturing yourself. Let it go.

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#127714 Apr 21, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
Do people realize that the rock layers where - right along side of - Archaeopteryx were found also had fossils of modern-appearing animals, such as sharks, guitar fish, horseshoe crabs, dragonflies, turtles, lizards, lobsters, crayfish, shrimp, cockroaches, woodwasps, waterbugs, grasshoppers, beetles, scorpian flies, water skeeters, sea urchins, sea stars, and prawns. All appearing as modern animals today. Do they REALIZE THIS? This tells me - obviously - that evolution did not occur. Archaeopteryx is just an extinct bird. What other conclusion is there?

It was not a bird. It was more of a dinosaur than a bird (60-40 based on characteristics listed).

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#127715 Apr 21, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
<quoted text>
It was you who was spanked. The Biblical Tyre was utterly destroyed and will never be rebuilt. Prophesy fullfilled 100%. End of story. This is an excellent example and proof of the Bible's divine inspiration. Why can't you see that? Tyre was one of the most important cities in history! Here, read about it:
http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.asp...

Rusty also tried this and lost.

If you got to go to an apologetics site to get "evidence" you might as well not even bother.

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#127716 Apr 21, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
<quoted text>
You can't possibly understand anything about the Bible. The mainland city was destroyed and then they escaped to the island fortress which was also destroyed. You don't understand. Stop torturing yourself. Let it go.
Nope, read the prophecy, or do you want me to do it for you?

There is a reason that rusty ran away for more than a day.

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#127717 Apr 21, 2013
Dogen wrote:
<quoted text>
It was not a bird. It was more of a dinosaur than a bird (60-40 based on characteristics listed).
It is so close the even paleontologists have argued both ways.

The recent discovery that they did not have a reversed hallux that it was decided to put it back in the dinosaur camp. Of course that is what a transitional species is, an animal which experts cannot decide which group it belongs in.

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