Should evolution be taught in high sc...

Should evolution be taught in high school?

There are 178702 comments on the www.scientificblogging.com story from Feb 24, 2008, titled Should evolution be taught in high school?. In it, www.scientificblogging.com reports that:

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."

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#126627 Apr 9, 2013
How did we suddenly get two king-sized delusional nutcases, Infinite Force and susanblange, on this forum?

Did Russell import them just to give himself a semblance of rationality by comparison?

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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Evolution is true.....

#126628 Apr 9, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>Nothing was written until Moses came and recorded the Torah as dictated by God. There was only an oral tradition that was handed down for generations beginning with Abraham. Actually, God chose the Semitic peoples to reveal himself to and this includes most of the nations in the middle east. God chose Abraham to start his cult and that's what makes them special.
You have some slight problems with your little story about Moses.
First Moses did not write what you think he did, and he probably did not exist.

The general belief among Biblical scholars is that the Pentateuch was written by at least 4 different people and it was written around 700 to 400 BC. Moses would have (if he existed) lived around 1400 BC.

Another problem is that there are 2 irreconcilable anachronism problems in his stories that point to it having been written much much later then originally thought.

Writing had been around since about 3000+ BC, but the Hebrews are thought to have become literate around 700 to 600 BC. IF the story were true Moses would have been writing Egyptian as that was what he would have been taught in the Egyptian palace/household.

There are more problems there, but another time.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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Evolution is true.....

#126629 Apr 9, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>Reincarnation is a fact but humans can only come back as humans, they have a human spirit. You also can only be reincarnated if you went to heaven, if you went to hell you're history, angels have a choice. Some people have been sent back, like Satan (Adam) and Lucifer (Jesus), they both have a role to play in the end times, so their spirits were preserved.
Susan you have your stories badly mixed up. You probably need to study Christianity and Buddhism a little more.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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Evolution is true.....

#126630 Apr 9, 2013
the dark lord wrote:
Did you know that some monastic groups pre date the RCC by millions of years?
Humans have only been around for about 200,000 years my friend.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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Evolution is true.....

#126631 Apr 9, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>When the God of Israel comes to this earth I doubt you will call it mythology. God created the earth to be inhabited and will reign and rule on earth forever. The Bible (OT) will be literally fulfilled and the Messiah will deliberately not fulfill the NT (book of Revelation)
The Old Testament is mostly ALL mythical stories....no truth in there at all.

Science can, and has, disproven the foundational stories of the Hebrews.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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Evolution is true.....

#126632 Apr 9, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>I have complete faith that day will come and it should happen by the end of 2014. There will be no magic involved, just signs, wonders and miracles. It will be unmistakable.
Dream on. And miracles ARE magic by definition

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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Evolution is true.....

#126633 Apr 9, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text> It is equally unlikely the universe could exist on its own with even the slightest variation in composition. Most prophecies have already been fulfilled, the first parts up until VWD Day and that could happen at any time. The biggest prophecy in the bible or single event is the photographs Adam took and sold to the publicizers for $7.50 paid in quarters 29 years ago. Then Adam, Matthew and Luke hung themselves at ATO frat house (of brothers) Alpha Tao Omega. Zechariah 11
OK....now I know you're nuts.
Urban Cowboy

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#126634 Apr 10, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
<quoted text>
The elements of chemistry are arranged in the periodic table because that is what makes sense and because the way elements are constructed at the subatomic level makes it the only possible arrangement. And by the way its NOT a nested hierarchy and cannot be forced into one.
On the other hand, the species of earth past and present are arranged in a nested hierarchy because that is what makes sense and because of the way they came to exist as a result of branching, common ancestry, which makes it the only possible arrangement. It is a nested hierarchy and cannot be arranged meaningfully any other way. Even Linnaeus, NOT using evolutionary principles, arranged life into a nested hierarchy, just looking at current species in isolation from the past! But he could not explain that arrangement, merely record it.
Evolution EXPLAINS the nested hierarchy of life the way the physics of protons, neutrons, and electrons EXPLAINS the structure of the Periodic Table.
It's a perfect NH with NO exceptions?

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#126635 Apr 10, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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It's a perfect NH with NO exceptions?
Pretty much perfect. There may be some debate when we get to the ends of some branches exactly which branch a particular species goes into, that happens usually if there is insufficient data.

But if you could find a major flaw in any of the several phylogenetic trees that there are you would severely harm the theory of evolution.

Good luck, you are going to need it.

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#126636 Apr 10, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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It's a perfect NH with NO exceptions?
Actually there is one. That is, the assemblage of a eukaryote from bacterial prokaryote organisms such as the inclusion of mitochondria. This would not be a straight darwinian process of inheritance but more a communalism.

However, at higher levels esp multicellular, organisms cannot simply absorb others or swap plasmids in the same way. This enforced separation means no exceptions to the nested hierarchy.

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#126637 Apr 10, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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The Old Testament is mostly ALL mythical stories....no truth in there at all.
Science can, and has, disproven the foundational stories of the Hebrews.
I would say the later the book, the more history it contains. As we move into real historical times and episodes, there is some correspondence with archaeological records. Note that even the "magic" diminishes from creating heavens and world wide floods and talking donkeys, down to prophecies of doom etc.

Like Herodotus, we start to see historical chronicle replacing pure myths...

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#126638 Apr 10, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>I have complete faith that day will come and it should happen by the end of 2014. There will be no magic involved, just signs, wonders and miracles. It will be unmistakable.
It will be so unmistakable that 99.9999999% of humanity will not agree with you that it occurred. Fancy that.

“What, me worry?”

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#126639 Apr 10, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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It's a perfect NH with NO exceptions?
What do you suppose violates the nested hierarchy? NOTE: not having a 100% complete lineage isn't a violation.
Gillette

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#126640 Apr 10, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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It's a perfect NH with NO exceptions?
And here you see the delusional CHristian Creationist mind at work.

Pointedly disregard the 99.9% of the evidence FOR evolution and a 4.5 billion year old earth and try to nibble at the edges and find some one "fact" which can, somehow, with a hopeful mentality, be twisted into sort of agreeing with a young earth point of view.

The LIES they think they need to tell for Jesus' sake! LOL

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#126641 Apr 10, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
How is it that the oldest bat fossil looks exactly - that's right, I said EXACTLY - like a modern bat?
One thousand fossil bats found, "dated" from 52 MYA (from just one museum alone in Germany).
All fossilized bats discovered to date are fully developed and capable of flying.
It is not right to blame the lack of bat ancestors on the processes of fossilization since millions of other fossils, even soft bodied fossils, from the time period and prior have been fossilized and collected by museums.
Again, ALL fossil bats discovered - thousands of them - are of fully formed bats that look exactly like modern bats and none of them - zero - are of predicted evolutionary ancestors.
The bat is just one example of this. There are hundreds of similar examples like this, and no examples of the predicted evolutionary ancestors for any creature. Nothing! Invertebrates, fish, bats, sea lions, reptiles, dinosaurs, whales, birds, plants; nothing!
How does a rational person keep his/her faith in macroevolution in the face of these facts?

Has anyone ever been impressed with incredulous lying?

Me neither.

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#126642 Apr 10, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text> In the OT, false gods and idols are called "devils". The Devil is a father and a son, Satan (Adam) and Lucifer (Jesus). This doctrine is acknowledged in the NT, Jesus is called the second or seed of Adam. Not only is Satan jesus father, he is also jesus god, he took satans offer of the world if he would serve him. Jesus came out preaching the kingdom of God and it still hasn't come. Christians are bent on evangelizing the world, and it will come down to Jesus vs. the Messiah and they will fight for mens souls and spirits. If they cling to their idols til the end they won't make it. An idol is a physical representation of a god, like the images of Jesus on the cross.

I like Gnostic literature, but take it for what it is!

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#126643 Apr 10, 2013
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>Most likely Schizophreniform Disorder.
http://www.webmd.com/schizophrenia/guide/ment...

Not likely. Her symptoms, by her own report, have gone on for years. When someone recovers from schizophreniform disorder (or BPE, or PD-NOS) they stop believing their hallucinations are real.

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#126644 Apr 10, 2013
Infinite Force wrote:
NO! EVOLUTION SHOULD NOT BE TAUGHT IN SCHOOLS AS AN ABSOLUTE TRUTH!
Any teaching, pseudo-science or pseudo-scientific method that rejects absolute truths should not be accepted by ANY individual who attend any schools on this planet! Schools can each what-ever they want, but individuals who hold on to absolute truths should REJECT such teachings INCLUNDING THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION because it is a pseudo-science!
You are free to teach whatever you want! Itís up to the individual to decide what an absolute truth is or what not an absolute truth is because schools donít teach this!

Absolute truth would be, by definition, absolute AND true. It is NOT up to individuals to decide for themselves what is absolute truth. It either IS absolute truth, or it is not.

Period.

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#126645 Apr 10, 2013
Infinite Force wrote:
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I got a grip Mike. I am free to exercise my freedom of speech just like everybody else does in here (law of non-contradiction) when it comes to reality/nature. It's not my problem people or sciences have a problem with absolute truths!!
If I canít speak about nature or reality in absolute truths no-one is allowed to speak about non-absolute truths about nature/reality! The law of non-contradiction stands and is flawless!

I'm sorry, but we have refuted it several times now. You seem to lack understanding of why it does not work. If you have specific questions about what we have explained to you then please ask them.

I thought I had been pretty clear, but perhaps not.

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#126646 Apr 10, 2013
Infinite Force wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeap! Since reality/nature is an absolute truth your pseudo-scientific method donít need to be talking about nature/reality because it is an absolute truth! YOUR SCIENTIFIC METHOD THAT SCIENCE USES IS DISQUALIFIED BECAUSE NATURE/REALITY IS NOT FALSIFIABLE BECAUSE NATURE DOESNíT CONTRADICT ITS SELF!
ON THE COONTRARY, IF THE INFORMATION MAN/WOMAN SPEAK OF REALITY/NATURE CONTRADICTS ITS SELF IT IS THE ONLY THING THAT CAN BE PROVED AS FALSE NOT NATURE/REALITY!
You discover and find other absolute truths off of the other ones and the first one is accepting and knowing nature/reality is an absolute truth and formulate the scientific method law of non-contradiction found in nature NOT BY MAN/WOMAN because nature donít contradict its self and neither should the information MAN/WOMAN put out when they speak of nature/reality! The law of non-contradiction is a flawless scientific method validated off of how nature works!

An argument that is so circular that it made me dizzy!

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