Should evolution be taught in high school?

There are 20 comments on the www.scientificblogging.com story from Feb 24, 2008, titled Should evolution be taught in high school?. In it, www.scientificblogging.com reports that:

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."

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“There is no Truth in Faith”

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#126615 Apr 9, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>Is. 6:10 "Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes and hear with their ears and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed."
1Cr 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned."

And so what?? Can you prove anything spiritual exists? Anything at all?? Thought not!!
urban cowboy

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#126616 Apr 9, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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You know that it is claimed to be devastating, the foundation of the slam dunk that is the independently converging lines of evidence from the fossil record, pseudogenes, ERVs, and ubiquitous proteins.
Since we say it cannot be refuted, you prefer to put your blinkers on and blindly chant "its trivial!". Be careful to stay ignorant, because if you were not, you would have to lie deliberately to defend your position.
It's ridiculous..

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#126617 Apr 9, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>Abraham was the chosen one in his time and produced Judaism Christianity and Islam. Hindus are from Ham and Buddhists from Japheth. God chose Shem before Abraham to reveal himself thru and has been narrowing it down.
This insinuates that God is "narrowing it down" because he doesn't already know the best answer, which would mean he is not all knowing and therefore, not the God he is claimed to be.

You've been worshiping a fraud. Congratulations!!
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#126618 Apr 9, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
<quoted text>
1Cr 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned."
And so what?? Can you prove anything spiritual exists? Anything at all?? Thought not!!
I don't pollute my thinking with Christian theology. "Their molten images are wind and confusion"

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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#126619 Apr 9, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>Abraham was the chosen one in his time and produced Judaism Christianity and Islam. Hindus are from Ham and Buddhists from Japheth. God chose Shem before Abraham to reveal himself thru and has been narrowing it down.
Do you really believe Abraham existed??
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#126620 Apr 9, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
<quoted text>
This insinuates that God is "narrowing it down" because he doesn't already know the best answer, which would mean he is not all knowing and therefore, not the God he is claimed to be.
You've been worshiping a fraud. Congratulations!!
God narrowed it down to Abraham and his family and has been building it up, eventually to encompass the righteous in the whole world. The children of Israel are as numerous as the sand on the seashore and all the righteous will be welcome.

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#126621 Apr 9, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>God narrowed it down to Abraham and his family and has been building it up, eventually to encompass the righteous in the whole world. The children of Israel are as numerous as the sand on the seashore and all the righteous will be welcome.
So, he didn't know which persons were "righteous" when he created them? You know that means he's a fraud.

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#126622 Apr 9, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>I don't pollute my thinking with Christian theology. "Their molten images are wind and confusion"
It doesn't really matter, your theology and theirs are based on the same poppycock.

There is no fish or whale, living or extinct that could hold a living man in its stomach and regurgitate him after three days.

There is no evidence of a global flood.

There is no evidence of Abraham or Moses.

All made up poppy cock.
LowellGuy

Lowell, MA

#126623 Apr 9, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>Nothing was written until Moses came and recorded the Torah as dictated by God. There was only an oral tradition that was handed down for generations beginning with Abraham. Actually, God chose the Semitic peoples to reveal himself to and this includes most of the nations in the middle east. God chose Abraham to start his cult and that's what makes them special.
Moses introduced written language to the Hebrews? How would they read the laws if they hadn't had written language until then? For that matter, what society with written language has not, at some point, written down its laws in some way? Does that first writing change the law or invalidate old laws or make the written law somehow superior to the oral tradition laws before them?

Do you hear yourself? I don't mean the voices in your head.
LowellGuy

Lowell, MA

#126624 Apr 9, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
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Birds can grow teeth
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm...
Fish can grow limbs, too.

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#126625 Apr 9, 2013
urban cowboy wrote:
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It's ridiculous..
The elements of chemistry are arranged in the periodic table because that is what makes sense and because the way elements are constructed at the subatomic level makes it the only possible arrangement. And by the way its NOT a nested hierarchy and cannot be forced into one.

On the other hand, the species of earth past and present are arranged in a nested hierarchy because that is what makes sense and because of the way they came to exist as a result of branching, common ancestry, which makes it the only possible arrangement. It is a nested hierarchy and cannot be arranged meaningfully any other way. Even Linnaeus, NOT using evolutionary principles, arranged life into a nested hierarchy, just looking at current species in isolation from the past! But he could not explain that arrangement, merely record it.

Evolution EXPLAINS the nested hierarchy of life the way the physics of protons, neutrons, and electrons EXPLAINS the structure of the Periodic Table.

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#126626 Apr 9, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>I don't pollute my thinking with Christian theology. "Their molten images are wind and confusion"
As are your mental images.

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#126627 Apr 9, 2013
How did we suddenly get two king-sized delusional nutcases, Infinite Force and susanblange, on this forum?

Did Russell import them just to give himself a semblance of rationality by comparison?

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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#126628 Apr 9, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>Nothing was written until Moses came and recorded the Torah as dictated by God. There was only an oral tradition that was handed down for generations beginning with Abraham. Actually, God chose the Semitic peoples to reveal himself to and this includes most of the nations in the middle east. God chose Abraham to start his cult and that's what makes them special.
You have some slight problems with your little story about Moses.
First Moses did not write what you think he did, and he probably did not exist.

The general belief among Biblical scholars is that the Pentateuch was written by at least 4 different people and it was written around 700 to 400 BC. Moses would have (if he existed) lived around 1400 BC.

Another problem is that there are 2 irreconcilable anachronism problems in his stories that point to it having been written much much later then originally thought.

Writing had been around since about 3000+ BC, but the Hebrews are thought to have become literate around 700 to 600 BC. IF the story were true Moses would have been writing Egyptian as that was what he would have been taught in the Egyptian palace/household.

There are more problems there, but another time.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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#126629 Apr 9, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>Reincarnation is a fact but humans can only come back as humans, they have a human spirit. You also can only be reincarnated if you went to heaven, if you went to hell you're history, angels have a choice. Some people have been sent back, like Satan (Adam) and Lucifer (Jesus), they both have a role to play in the end times, so their spirits were preserved.
Susan you have your stories badly mixed up. You probably need to study Christianity and Buddhism a little more.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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#126630 Apr 9, 2013
the dark lord wrote:
Did you know that some monastic groups pre date the RCC by millions of years?
Humans have only been around for about 200,000 years my friend.

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#126631 Apr 9, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>When the God of Israel comes to this earth I doubt you will call it mythology. God created the earth to be inhabited and will reign and rule on earth forever. The Bible (OT) will be literally fulfilled and the Messiah will deliberately not fulfill the NT (book of Revelation)
The Old Testament is mostly ALL mythical stories....no truth in there at all.

Science can, and has, disproven the foundational stories of the Hebrews.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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#126632 Apr 9, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>I have complete faith that day will come and it should happen by the end of 2014. There will be no magic involved, just signs, wonders and miracles. It will be unmistakable.
Dream on. And miracles ARE magic by definition

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#126633 Apr 9, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text> It is equally unlikely the universe could exist on its own with even the slightest variation in composition. Most prophecies have already been fulfilled, the first parts up until VWD Day and that could happen at any time. The biggest prophecy in the bible or single event is the photographs Adam took and sold to the publicizers for $7.50 paid in quarters 29 years ago. Then Adam, Matthew and Luke hung themselves at ATO frat house (of brothers) Alpha Tao Omega. Zechariah 11
OK....now I know you're nuts.
Urban Cowboy

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#126634 Apr 10, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
<quoted text>
The elements of chemistry are arranged in the periodic table because that is what makes sense and because the way elements are constructed at the subatomic level makes it the only possible arrangement. And by the way its NOT a nested hierarchy and cannot be forced into one.
On the other hand, the species of earth past and present are arranged in a nested hierarchy because that is what makes sense and because of the way they came to exist as a result of branching, common ancestry, which makes it the only possible arrangement. It is a nested hierarchy and cannot be arranged meaningfully any other way. Even Linnaeus, NOT using evolutionary principles, arranged life into a nested hierarchy, just looking at current species in isolation from the past! But he could not explain that arrangement, merely record it.
Evolution EXPLAINS the nested hierarchy of life the way the physics of protons, neutrons, and electrons EXPLAINS the structure of the Periodic Table.
It's a perfect NH with NO exceptions?

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