Should evolution be taught in high school?

Feb 24, 2008 Full story: www.scientificblogging.com 174,564

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand." Full Story

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Since: Mar 12

Dubai, UAE

#126558 Apr 8, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>Israel is not a myth and the Jews are not a myth. God established Israel. God also sent prophets to warn and guide Israel about falling into sin and idolatry. This God will come and live on earth and it's always been her intent. When we witness God, we'll know there is a God. The OT will be literally and completely fulfilled. The bible is about God the Messiah.
Yawn. Greece is not a myth either. Doesn't mean that Apollo is real.

Level 6

Since: Mar 12

Dubai, UAE

#126559 Apr 8, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>When the God of Israel comes to this earth I doubt you will call it mythology. God created the earth to be inhabited and will reign and rule on earth forever. The Bible (OT) will be literally fulfilled and the Messiah will deliberately not fulfill the NT (book of Revelation)
If that day comes, then obviously you will finally have empirical evidence for all your magical claims. Right now you have nothing. You might just as well claim that Aliens probed your nether regions, its just as believable.

Level 6

Since: Mar 12

Dubai, UAE

#126560 Apr 8, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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It's quite the opposite. We have everything and you have nothing. Every fossil ever found made its first appearance fully formed. If creation is true that is what we would expect. That's millions of fossils to our credit. What do you have? Not a single true transitional. A million to one in our favor.
Here we go again. The idiotic myth that an intermediate is a "half formed" creature, an incomplete creature.

Not evolution, buddy, not even close. Just another exceedingly silly straw man.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#126561 Apr 8, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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Yawn. Greece is not a myth either. Doesn't mean that Apollo is real.
Greece and Greeks produced Apollo not the other way around. The Lord created the nation of Israel and the Jews not the other way around.

Level 6

Since: Mar 12

Dubai, UAE

#126562 Apr 8, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Based on his statements, it is clear that Darwin accepted acquired characteristics as one of the mechancisms throughout his lifetime.
I never meant to say it his whole theory of evolution was overturned by the tail-cutting experiment but at least part (AC) of what Darwin thought responsible was.
You said Darwin rejected and even refuted acquired characteristics which couldn't be further from the truth. He stated in his Origins book that these were inherited and in a letter to his cousin he said he believed in it more than ever. It was only several years after his death that the tail-cutting experiment proved acquired characteristics wrong.
(If you thought I said it refuted Darwin's theory of evolution that it is not what I meant to say.) I meant to say it refuted acquired characteristics which should have been obvious. Sorry I called you names but you always start it don't you?
And I promise I won't scream went you go off on your one-trick-pony, nested hierarchies. I just ignore it because - no offense - it's just that it's inconsequential. It sounds good but has no real teeth in it. You need real evidence like fossils and observing macrochange happen. Real evidence. Not comparing similarities which by the way has also been proved wrong.
Why else do you not see "nested hierarchy" used as evidence in peer-reviewed research?
What you really need is fossils of direct ancestors for all plants or animals; what I need is plants and animal fossils first appearing fully formed: I win by a landslide. You need numerous beneficial genetic mutations creating new organs, tissues, function; I need the complete absense of same and evidence of genetic entropy and loss of information resulting in disease which I have a plethora of: I win.
Now moving onto "evolution" of Whales....
Actually you DID say those experiments debunked Darwin. I will take your backtracking as an apology for an extravagant claim. At the same time, I accept that I overstated his position when I claimed he refuted acquired characteristics outright.

The fact remains, he did not rely on them and his theory did not depend on them. But you are right, he did not reject them. Come to think of it, it would have been dogmatic of him to have done so before experimental evidence ruled them out.

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Sorry mate, but your claim that the nested hierarchy is a "one trick pony of no consequence" merely reminds me that no only do you NOT understand it, or its importance, but you have deliberately avoided gaining that understanding. To me that is a conscious avoidance effort because you know that its devastating to your case.

It is MERELY the only structure compatible with common descent and furthermore, its existence in the fossil record and the genome has only ever been explained rationally by common descent. Knowing its that crucial, you prefer to trivialise it rather than try to understand it. And don;t tell me you DO understand it. I know that is false or you would not have made such clunkers as claiming that modern amphibian markers should be more like fish markers than mammal markers etc. Nothing could be more wrong, and more revealing of your ignorance. And its used in peer reviewed research all the time.

Level 6

Since: Mar 12

Dubai, UAE

#126563 Apr 8, 2013
Russell wrote:
I have asked Chimney, which animals have actually evolved
All I got was stony silence
Liar.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#126564 Apr 8, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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If that day comes, then obviously you will finally have empirical evidence for all your magical claims. Right now you have nothing. You might just as well claim that Aliens probed your nether regions, its just as believable.
I have complete faith that day will come and it should happen by the end of 2014. There will be no magic involved, just signs, wonders and miracles. It will be unmistakable.

“There is no Truth in Faith”

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Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#126565 Apr 8, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>When the God of Israel comes to this earth I doubt you will call it mythology. God created the earth to be inhabited and will reign and rule on earth forever. The Bible (OT) will be literally fulfilled and the Messiah will deliberately not fulfill the NT (book of Revelation)
When Pegasus flies up your butt, I doubt you will call that mythology either. Fortunately, the odds of either of them occurring are extremely miniscule and approximately equal.

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Level 5

Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#126566 Apr 8, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>I have complete faith that day will come and it should happen by the end of 2014. There will be no magic involved, just signs, wonders and miracles. It will be unmistakable.
Harold! You've been shown wrong thrice, why go for a fourth?
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#126567 Apr 8, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
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When Pegasus flies up your butt, I doubt you will call that mythology either. Fortunately, the odds of either of them occurring are extremely miniscule and approximately equal.
It is equally unlikely the universe could exist on its own with even the slightest variation in composition. Most prophecies have already been fulfilled, the first parts up until VWD Day and that could happen at any time. The biggest prophecy in the bible or single event is the photographs Adam took and sold to the publicizers for $7.50 paid in quarters 29 years ago. Then Adam, Matthew and Luke hung themselves at ATO frat house (of brothers) Alpha Tao Omega. Zechariah 11

“GOD OF ALL”

Since: Aug 12

Ilford, UK

#126568 Apr 8, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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Here we go again. The idiotic myth that an intermediate is a "half formed" creature, an incomplete creature.
Not evolution, buddy, not even close. Just another exceedingly silly straw man.
Want to see some real straw man. Want some. Want some.

“GOD OF ALL”

Since: Aug 12

Ilford, UK

#126569 Apr 8, 2013
Did you know that some monastic groups pre date the RCC by millions of years?

“GOD OF ALL”

Since: Aug 12

Ilford, UK

#126570 Apr 8, 2013
Evolutionary regression kids, haven"t you read the dead sea scrolls.

Well Mary Magdalene wrote several books one in particular interest here.

She disposed death and believed that people that were sinners that were subjected to Christian burial would crawl away as worms.

Hinduism too argues the case that people will regress into animals, have you read Hinduya Kush's book eternal flame. He believes that most pen are coming back a dirty dogs, filthy pigs, and wicked jackals.

“GOD OF ALL”

Since: Aug 12

Ilford, UK

#126571 Apr 8, 2013
most people not pen ed.
Russell

Adelaide, Australia

#126572 Apr 8, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Really, even without a reversed hallux?
Creatards have been on both sides on this particular species which makes it a perfect transitional fossil.
So
A perching, flying bird with feathers is your transitional to perching flying birds with feathers

Are things so very desperate in evo-world?

http://ww1.prweb.com/prfiles/2009/11/02/23708...

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I personally think Archaeoraptor is a better transitional....

Dino with feathers!

Wow...

Just one small confounding factor.........

Tsk tsk...
Russell

Adelaide, Australia

#126573 Apr 8, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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Birds have teeth? Really?
Yes
Ever heard of an "egg tooth"?

Check out Greylag Goose tomia

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-kU9tX5aKSc...

http://webecoist.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/...

http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/termi...
Russell

Adelaide, Australia

#126574 Apr 8, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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Liar.
OK

You did say something...

What was it again...?

It made no impression whatsoever
Russell

Adelaide, Australia

#126575 Apr 8, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
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Did you ever notice that all birds have reptilian scales on their feet? Funny that, huh?
Yes

I giggle about that all the time...

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#126576 Apr 8, 2013
Russell wrote:
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So
A perching, flying bird with feathers is your transitional to perching flying birds with feathers
Are things so very desperate in evo-world?
http://ww1.prweb.com/prfiles/2009/11/02/23708...
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I personally think Archaeoraptor is a better transitional....
Dino with feathers!
Wow...
Just one small confounding factor.........
Tsk tsk...
You are projecting your own desperation and panic.

Not you, but other creatards have argued in the past that because archeopteryx had a reversed hallux that it definitely was a bird and was not related to dinosaurs. Now we know that it does not have a reversed hallux. Of course the neat thing about transitionals is that they are hard to place.

Archeopteryx is an excellent transitional species whether it is called a bird or a dinosaur. Creationists can't stand that and have to stick with one or the other.

And as I said, now it seems to be more of a dinosaur than a bird:

http://www.science20.com/between_death_and_da...
so sad

Central City, KY

#126577 Apr 8, 2013
NO!!!!!

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