Should evolution be taught in high sc...

Should evolution be taught in high school?

There are 179697 comments on the www.scientificblogging.com story from Feb 24, 2008, titled Should evolution be taught in high school?. In it, www.scientificblogging.com reports that:

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."

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Russell

Canberra, Australia

#126541 Apr 8, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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When we are talking about over 250 million years ago and can only rely on fossils , it is quite a puzzle to figure out.
But we have enough pieces of the puzzle to clearly see that evolution is a fact.
Perhaps you mean the puzzle of dino soft tissues?
Russell

Canberra, Australia

#126542 Apr 8, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Yes, the process of evolution left a spotty hole filled record. The problem for creationists is that the holes keep getting filled by fossils that fit the evolutionary paradigm and creationists have yet to come up with even a hypothesis that explains the fossil record from a creationist point of view.
In other words creationists have nothing and yet they still dare to complain about the evidence for evolution.
Can you say "hypocrite"?
Actually it was the process of rapid burial that left a fossil record

It is entirely consistent with creationism

It has not one iota of support for evolutionism.....NONE

Fully formed creatures

Total stasis

No ancestors

Just as predicted by the creation model
Russell

Canberra, Australia

#126543 Apr 8, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Breaking the Ninth Commandment again.
So what is the testable hypothesis for creation?
What do you mean by that nonsense term "fully formed"? As others have pointed out you don't understand evolution and expect a crocoduck.
We have thousands of transitional fossils, you have a bias against them. What is wrong with the transitional fossils you have been linked to you countless times?
Where are your "thousands of transitionals"?

I've been bleating like an idiot for just ONE...for months and months..

All we have is stasis

Time and time and time and time again....STASIS

I have asked Chimney, which animals have actually evolved

All I got was stony silence

Like I got from you in regards to Adam and Eve being demonstrated as 'fly-in-your-face-Ayala' possible when HLA-DRB introns 1-4 are used

Just ignoring me...won't make me go away....SubDud

Your chicanery is quite transparent

Shreiking Borons could be years before they get their finger out and produce something that could even remotely help you....
Russell

Canberra, Australia

#126544 Apr 8, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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What progression?
I absolutely second that
Level 6

Since: Aug 07

Miami, FL

#126545 Apr 8, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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The "fully formed" bit is nothing more than a misrepresentation
of what evolution is.
Reality is a misrepresentation of what evolution is? Agreed!

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#126546 Apr 8, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>Archaeology and history proves the bibles truthfulness and it has been remarkably well preserved. My God is the living God of Israel and I serve no other. Are you a Christian?
By your logic, Spiderman must be a real person. Try again.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#126547 Apr 8, 2013
Russell wrote:
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Where are your "thousands of transitionals"?
I've been bleating like an idiot for just ONE...for months and months..
All we have is stasis
Time and time and time and time again....STASIS
I have asked Chimney, which animals have actually evolved
All I got was stony silence
Like I got from you in regards to Adam and Eve being demonstrated as 'fly-in-your-face-Ayala' possible when HLA-DRB introns 1-4 are used
Just ignoring me...won't make me go away....SubDud
Your chicanery is quite transparent
Shreiking Borons could be years before they get their finger out and produce something that could even remotely help you....
Archaeopteryx: bird or dinosaur?

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#126548 Apr 8, 2013
Russell wrote:
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Actually it was the process of rapid burial that left a fossil record
It is entirely consistent with creationism
It has not one iota of support for evolutionism.....NONE
Fully formed creatures
Total stasis
No ancestors
Just as predicted by the creation model
And it's just a coincidence that there isn't a single human fossil found with dinosaur fossils. And, it's just a coincidence that there isn't a single trilobite fossil found with human fossils. And, it's just a coincidence that triceratops and rhinoceros fossils are never found together. And, it's just a coincidence that velociraptor and ostrich fossils are never found together. There's this "rapid formation" but there's zero mixing of these various types of animal fossils. What prohibited them from ever being mixed together? It can't be escaping some flood, because rhinos and certaopsians would have been similarly slow, and velociraptors and ostriches similarly swift. No, it needs to be something that actually explains the evidence. Oh, they never lived at the same time, and were separated by millions of years? That seems to fit the evidence. I guess we'll just have to disregard your nonsense and go with the scientific explanation instead. So sorry.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#126549 Apr 8, 2013
Russell wrote:
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Actually it was the process of rapid burial that left a fossil record
It is entirely consistent with creationism
It has not one iota of support for evolutionism.....NONE
Fully formed creatures
Total stasis
No ancestors
Just as predicted by the creation model
No, it isn't. Your problem is that you cannot explain the rapid burial and be logically consistent.

How did fossils get rapidly buried in the so called creation model?

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#126550 Apr 8, 2013
Russell wrote:
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Where are your "thousands of transitionals"?
I've been bleating like an idiot for just ONE...for months and months..
All we have is stasis
Time and time and time and time again....STASIS
I have asked Chimney, which animals have actually evolved
All I got was stony silence
Like I got from you in regards to Adam and Eve being demonstrated as 'fly-in-your-face-Ayala' possible when HLA-DRB introns 1-4 are used
Just ignoring me...won't make me go away....SubDud
Your chicanery is quite transparent
Shreiking Borons could be years before they get their finger out and produce something that could even remotely help you....
We have listed them many times over. It is not our fault that you are an idiot.

If you want to demand evidence you know what you have to do.
Russell

Canberra, Australia

#126551 Apr 8, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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Archaeopteryx: bird or dinosaur?
Bird

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#126552 Apr 8, 2013
Russell wrote:
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Bird
Really, even without a reversed hallux?

Creatards have been on both sides on this particular species which makes it a perfect transitional fossil.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#126553 Apr 8, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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There aren't any in there. I'm not lying. Take trilobites as they are representative of the fossil record of invertebrates. There are over 100,000 discovered and no trilobite ancestors found. It's the same story no matter what fossil you examine. There just isn't any evidence. ALl the trilobites are fully formed trilobites and they are fabulously complex and diverse. But there's nothing in the fossil record - no direct ancestors of trilobites - no direct ancestors prior to the Cambrian older than 540 MYA.
And you don't see this as a problem for evolution? Is it really scientific to never see any weaknesses; to refuse any criticisms? Doesn't this make it personal?
We already did the trilobite thing. Have you forgotten already?

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Level 5

Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#126554 Apr 8, 2013
Russell wrote:
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Bird
Did you ever notice that all birds have reptilian scales on their feet? Funny that, huh?
Frank Abernathy

Cincinnati, OH

#126555 Apr 8, 2013
The evolution of life has been based on a series of upgrades, analogous to how computer are upgraded. Computers didn't "evolve" one transistor at a time. They upgraded from transistors to integrated circuits, then motherboards and other kinds of complex processors and finally into "families" of computers all working together (intranet). Last but not least, there is the internet. Each successive upgrade was geometric because it becomes possible to upgrade massive amounts of information in just one event, for example, linking two computers together. Learn more at http://evolution4.wordpress.com .
LowellGuy

United States

#126556 Apr 8, 2013
Russell wrote:
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Bird
Birds have teeth? Really?
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#126557 Apr 8, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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You are talking about mythology too.
"God" is a concept.
"The living God of Israel etc" is a mythology. You just happen to believe in this mythology and not say, the Greek or the Zoroastrian or the Hindu.
When the God of Israel comes to this earth I doubt you will call it mythology. God created the earth to be inhabited and will reign and rule on earth forever. The Bible (OT) will be literally fulfilled and the Messiah will deliberately not fulfill the NT (book of Revelation)

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Since: Mar 12

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#126558 Apr 8, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>Israel is not a myth and the Jews are not a myth. God established Israel. God also sent prophets to warn and guide Israel about falling into sin and idolatry. This God will come and live on earth and it's always been her intent. When we witness God, we'll know there is a God. The OT will be literally and completely fulfilled. The bible is about God the Messiah.
Yawn. Greece is not a myth either. Doesn't mean that Apollo is real.

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Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#126559 Apr 8, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>When the God of Israel comes to this earth I doubt you will call it mythology. God created the earth to be inhabited and will reign and rule on earth forever. The Bible (OT) will be literally fulfilled and the Messiah will deliberately not fulfill the NT (book of Revelation)
If that day comes, then obviously you will finally have empirical evidence for all your magical claims. Right now you have nothing. You might just as well claim that Aliens probed your nether regions, its just as believable.

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Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#126560 Apr 8, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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It's quite the opposite. We have everything and you have nothing. Every fossil ever found made its first appearance fully formed. If creation is true that is what we would expect. That's millions of fossils to our credit. What do you have? Not a single true transitional. A million to one in our favor.
Here we go again. The idiotic myth that an intermediate is a "half formed" creature, an incomplete creature.

Not evolution, buddy, not even close. Just another exceedingly silly straw man.

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