Should evolution be taught in high sc...

Should evolution be taught in high school?

There are 180369 comments on the www.scientificblogging.com story from Feb 24, 2008, titled Should evolution be taught in high school?. In it, www.scientificblogging.com reports that:

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."

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#126340 Apr 3, 2013
Russell wrote:
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If a nested hierarchy is busted....as yours have been several times over...how is it that evolution continues to stand?
mmm, head / desk.

The nested hierarchy was not busted. As explained. Twice. At some length. But I might as well not bother, because you lack either the capacity or the honesty to follow the discussion past the first shit lob you throw from some creotard garbage source.

Similarly, the geologic column was not busted by your trite and shallow creotard references, and its great age stands for anyone honest enough to look at the evidence,

One page creotard rebuttals based on a simplistic point long ago thrown in the dustbin by real scientists may satisfy you because you are just too damned eager to find the easy way out.

If you want to DISCUSS the validity or otherwise of the nested hierarchy in proteins, you have to address the points I made in response to your original post. But you simply cannot - that is obvious by now.

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#126341 Apr 3, 2013
Russell wrote:
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Don't need brains to debate here with you....
With no brains, and one hand tied behind my back....I still win
Its a ...as they say....a 'no brainer'
Yep! Religion is for those who don't use their brains. Agreed!!!

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#126342 Apr 3, 2013
Russell wrote:
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Truncated for space and for my sanity
You are obviously not familiar with your own history
Even though Christianity is not mentioned in the Constitution or Bill or Rights, the Founders of the American republic were influenced by Christian ideas in significant ways. For example:
Their faith taught them that humans were sinful. As James Madison wrote in Federalist No. 51,“If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external or internal controls on government would be necessary.” This conviction led them to avoid utopian experiments such as those later pursued during the French Revolution and to adopt a constitutional system characterized by separated powers, checks and balances, and federalism. Many Enlightenment thinkers in this era, by way of contrast, tended to favor a strong, centralized government run by experts.[24]
They firmly believed that God ordained moral standards, that legislation should be made in accordance with these standards, and that moral laws took precedence over human laws. This conviction manifests itself in their abstract reflections (e.g., James Wilson’s law lectures, parts of which read like St. Thomas Aquinas’s Summa Theologica) and practical decisions (e.g., all but one Supreme Court Justice prior to John Marshall argued publicly that the Court could strike down an act of Congress if it violated natural law).[25]
Similarly, Christianity informed the Founders’ understanding of substantive concepts such as “liberty.” Barry Shain has identified eight different ways in which the word was used in the 18th century. Only one of these is related to the excessively individualistic way the term is often used today. Instead, the Founders were far more likely to see liberty as the freedom to do what is morally correct, as illustrated by United States Supreme Court Justice James Wilson’s marvelous dictum:“Without liberty, law loses its nature and its name, and becomes oppression. Without law, liberty also loses its nature and its name, and becomes licentiousness.”[26]
America’s Founders believed that humans were created in the imago dei—the image of God. Part of what this means is that humans are reasonable beings. This led them to conclude that we the people (as opposed to the elite) can order our public lives together through politics rather than force. It also helped inform early (and later) American opposition to slavery.[27]
Faith led many Founders to conclude that religious liberty should be extensively protected. Yet many also thought that civic authorities should encourage Christianity and that it is appropriate to use religious language in the public square. By the late 18th century, some Founders were beginning to question the wisdom of religious establishments, primarily because they thought that such establishments hurt true religion. The Founders’ views on these questions have the most immediate and obvious policy and legal implications, so I will address them in some detail.
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The rest of this illuminating article can be read here:
http://www.heritage.org/research/lecture/2011...
I provided statements directly recorded by our country's founders, you provide an article of interpretation, conjecture and supposition .... sorry, my evidence is more directly linked to the topic at hand.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#126343 Apr 3, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
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If you are a Muslim or Jew, you do believe some of them. And that would make you a liar as well.
So you do acknowledge that Christians are liars? And not just liars, but false witnesses which is one of the seven deadly sins.

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#126344 Apr 3, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text> So you do acknowledge that Christians are liars? And not just liars, but false witnesses which is one of the seven deadly sins.
Yep, the Christian and other Abrahamic religions are founded on lies and the murders of many innocents.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#126345 Apr 3, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
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Yep, the Christian and other Abrahamic religions are founded on lies and the murders of many innocents.
A wicked person is considered dead even when they still walk the earth. We are judged by the law of God and ignorance of the law is no excuse. By this, I mean the 10 commandments which includes the prohibition of idolatry. People who serve idols or are atheist have no morality and the land God gave to Israel "vomited" them out because they were so wicked. Israel does not belong to the Jews, it belongs to God, that's why it's called the "holy land". God created Israel for her glory who will make the coming world ruler (Messiah) their King.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#126346 Apr 3, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text> A wicked person is considered dead even when they still walk the earth. We are judged by the law of God and ignorance of the law is no excuse.
Then that means Cowboy, HTS and Russ are in sh t street.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#126347 Apr 3, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Then that means Cowboy, HTS and Russ are in sh t street.
When the Messiah comes, everyone is going to get a second chance as long as you repent of your sin. The most important part of this is change, there is a coming perfect world. Satan, the enemies of God and the wicked will be cut off (killed). The wicked are those who have committed a deadly sin and those who will not repent. The Lord will plead with all flesh up until the time they kill her.

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#126348 Apr 3, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text> A wicked person is considered dead even when they still walk the earth. We are judged by the law of God and ignorance of the law is no excuse. By this, I mean the 10 commandments which includes the prohibition of idolatry. People who serve idols or are atheist have no morality and the land God gave to Israel "vomited" them out because they were so wicked. Israel does not belong to the Jews, it belongs to God, that's why it's called the "holy land". God created Israel for her glory who will make the coming world ruler (Messiah) their King.
Yet you routinely violate the first of those commandments because you fail to seek verifiable evidence you are worshiping an actual and the correct god. Relying on 2000 yo goat herder fables is not very secure ground to secure your "immortal soul".... just sayin ....
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#126349 Apr 3, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
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Yet you routinely violate the first of those commandments because you fail to seek verifiable evidence you are worshiping an actual and the correct god. Relying on 2000 yo goat herder fables is not very secure ground to secure your "immortal soul".... just sayin ....
By "soul", I think you actually mean "spirit". "Soul" is another word for "body", it means "life". The blood is the life of the flesh. "Spirit" means "breath" or "wind" and is what leaves our body when we die. It is also not necessarily immortal, if you go to hell it will eventually be snuffed out or drowned. Nobody rots forever in hell except Satan. By keeping the Sabbath (the seventh day, Saturday) I show as the sign of the covenant that I worship the creator God, giver of the Testimony, the 10 commandments.

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#126350 Apr 3, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>By "soul", I think you actually mean "spirit". "Soul" is another word for "body", it means "life". The blood is the life of the flesh. "Spirit" means "breath" or "wind" and is what leaves our body when we die. It is also not necessarily immortal, if you go to hell it will eventually be snuffed out or drowned. Nobody rots forever in hell except Satan. By keeping the Sabbath (the seventh day, Saturday) I show as the sign of the covenant that I worship the creator God, giver of the Testimony, the 10 commandments.
This is something goat herders claimed 2000 years ago. How do you know it is accurate and valid. I would think the first commandment would obligate you to determine the facts with no doubts.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#126351 Apr 3, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
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This is something goat herders claimed 2000 years ago. How do you know it is accurate and valid. I would think the first commandment would obligate you to determine the facts with no doubts.
The facts will not be known until the God of Abraham comes to the earth and establishes the law. Everybody with working eyes will witness the resurrection on CNN breaking news. At the same time, Jesus and all his followers will spontaneously combust. Ez. 28:18-19."In that day shall there be one Lord and his name one"

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#126352 Apr 3, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text> The facts will not be known until the God of Abraham comes to the earth and establishes the law. Everybody with working eyes will witness the resurrection on CNN breaking news. At the same time, Jesus and all his followers will spontaneously combust. Ez. 28:18-19."In that day shall there be one Lord and his name one"
That sounds exactly like 2000 yo goat herder religibable. Most likely it is not even remotely true.

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#126353 Apr 3, 2013
HTS wrote:
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Tell me why you think that "molecular science" does to support ID.

Are you high?

molecular homology does NOT support I.D. Never has, never will.

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#126354 Apr 3, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text> The facts will not be known until the God of Abraham comes to the earth and establishes the law. Everybody with working eyes will witness the resurrection on CNN breaking news. At the same time, Jesus and all his followers will spontaneously combust. Ez. 28:18-19."In that day shall there be one Lord and his name one"
Who told you that? I mean did they give you some pills before saying it? Because I'm gonna need a few of them to catch up with you?

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#126355 Apr 3, 2013
Russell wrote:
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One site refutation of your refutation
http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/osy.html

Wow. The site basically PROVES Jesus was a copycat of Osirus and Horus!

Why would you quote this site? Did you not read it for content?

It basically says that most of the Jesus myth comes from Egypt 2,000 years earlier than Jesus!

What are you thinking?!?!?!?

Basically he said he could not find support for about a third of what is attributed to Osirus/Horus, but the rest was true!



Russell wrote:
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No mate
You are quite wrong
I have the increasing doubt that you are a Christian at all, however, that's between you and God
Your theology is repugnant and erroneous
You simply do not believe the Bible

LOL. You just called the Jesus story into question, which was never my intention. YOU did that! You have no idea what my theology is. You are just bitter because it is not the same as yours and you resent losing so much to someone who proves you wrong at every turn.



Russell wrote:
<quoted text> Please see
http://www.tektonics.org/guest/noother.html
"Harvard Law professor Simon Greenleaf,
Previously refuted

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#126356 Apr 3, 2013
Russell wrote:
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Sadly I do understand it
Anyone that reads English can
You on the other hand can't
You have revealed your ignorance or science in numerous ways
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My belief in God and His word is not based on what "science" dictates
AND mine is a reasoned faith...unlike your's
Plus I don't make stuff up about the Bible....like you
AND I don't ignore the Scriptures that are inconvenient...

sorry man, but you are just getting desperate.

I clearly know science far better than you.

Your faith is not "reasoned". It is suspect at best and based on denying reason. There is no problem accepting the reality that science has discovered about God's universe. But you insist on doing so anyway. Why? Why reject God's universe?

Why is your faith so weak that you have to do that?

I have no fear of reality such that you are strapped with.

Don't you think that if evolution were wrong some Christian scientist would have come along and refuted it by now and had a mass of scientists, Christian and otherwise, following his lead?

But such has not, nor will ever happen.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#126357 Apr 3, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Who told you that? I mean did they give you some pills before saying it? Because I'm gonna need a few of them to catch up with you?
Nobody has taught me knowledge and understanding except the Holy Spirit. After I fully saturated my mind with the scriptures, I am able to meditate and answers just pop into my mind. The Christian notion of an "Antichrist" is correct but this person is called Lucifer in the Hebrew bible. Lucifer means "morning star" and this is what Jesus claims. Rev. 22:16

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#126358 Apr 3, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text> Nobody has taught me knowledge and understanding except the Holy Spirit. After I fully saturated my mind with the scriptures, I am able to meditate and answers just pop into my mind. The Christian notion of an "Antichrist" is correct but this person is called Lucifer in the Hebrew bible. Lucifer means "morning star" and this is what Jesus claims. Rev. 22:16
So, to "paraphrase", you brainwashed yourself to the point that you believe the "Holy Spook" actually exists and you think you know or have "the mind of God". So as long as you maintain your "piety" you can pass judgement on anyone you wish for any reason you wish. And naturally, you will claim you got these decisions and/or judgements from the scriptures or "the mind of God" as best suits the situation.

Got it!!

Please stay way from my neighborhood.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#126359 Apr 3, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
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So, to "paraphrase", you brainwashed yourself to the point that you believe the "Holy Spook" actually exists and you think you know or have "the mind of God". So as long as you maintain your "piety" you can pass judgement on anyone you wish for any reason you wish. And naturally, you will claim you got these decisions and/or judgements from the scriptures or "the mind of God" as best suits the situation.
Got it!!
Please stay way from my neighborhood.
You have blasphemed the Holy Spirit by calling it "Spook" and according to your own doctrine that is the one unforgiveable sin. Good luck because you're going to need it!

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