Should evolution be taught in high sc...

Should evolution be taught in high school?

There are 178621 comments on the www.scientificblogging.com story from Feb 24, 2008, titled Should evolution be taught in high school?. In it, www.scientificblogging.com reports that:

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."

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#122574 Mar 9, 2013
Evolutions entire premise is built on everything from one entity in the beginning, but out of at least a billion fossils, science cannot point to even one fossil lineage, that shows small progressive changes.

Evolution operates on hype and dumbing down the scientists, the general public and even the children, through a fully corrupt gov and media.

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#122575 Mar 9, 2013
One way or another wrote:
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Now you hide behind my hypothesis, so you and science don't have to show that you can't even show one entity in the fossil lineage, that shows small changes even over millions of years and billions of fossils.
I can easily provide proof for my theories, pick one and I'll outline MY proof.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_the...
http://chem.tufts.edu/science/evolution/Horse...
http://www.ecology.info/horses.htm
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#122576 Mar 9, 2013
There is a ton of good science to be discussed, in a never ending number of disciplines. Limiting oneself to such a few, over and over might show children what idiocy rules mankind.
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#122577 Mar 9, 2013
MikeF wrote:
Hey stupid, This image shows a representative sequence, but should not be construed to represent a "straight-line" evolution of the horse. Reconstruction, left forefoot skeleton (third digit emphasized yellow) and longitudinal section of molars of selected prehistoric horses

I would add that science cannot prove these are of the same lineage. You're an idiot.

How many types of monkeys are there!
defender

Duluth, GA

#122578 Mar 9, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
defender, TalkOrigins is not a lefty site. Why would you make such a statement?

Would a site that advocated 2 + 2 = 4 be considered a "lefty site"?

You continually lie about the evidence for evolution. You can try to deny it, but the evidence for evolution is better and more thorough than that of any murder trial.
Does it not have a section just for arguing creation?... Oh but it's not bias in anyway... Same way CNN kisses Obama's ass and Fox outright lies about everything ... You sir are a kool aid drinking moron!! Easily taken in by whatever the idiot box tells you...
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#122579 Mar 9, 2013
MikeF wrote:
If you're a teacher as you claimed, it just goes to show what morons the gov hires to teach children.

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#122580 Mar 9, 2013
One way or another wrote:
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Hey stupid, This image shows a representative sequence, but should not be construed to represent a "straight-line" evolution of the horse. Reconstruction, left forefoot skeleton (third digit emphasized yellow) and longitudinal section of molars of selected prehistoric horses
I would add that science cannot prove these are of the same lineage. You're an idiot.
How many types of monkeys are there!
Sorry, bozo. I should have realized you'd only look at the pictures.

"Detailed fossil information on the rate and distribution of new equid species has also revealed that the progression between species was not as smooth and consistent as was once believed. Although some transitions, such as that of Dinohippus to Equus, were indeed gradual progressions, a number of others, such as that of Epihippus to Mesohippus, were relatively abrupt in geologic time, taking place over only a few million years. Both anagenesis (gradual change in an entire population's gene frequency) and cladogenesis (a population "splitting" into two distinct evolutionary branches) occurred, and many species coexisted with "ancestor" species at various times. The change in equids' traits was also not always a "straight line" from Eohippus to Equus: some traits reversed themselves at various points in the evolution of new equid species, such as size and the presence of facial fossae, and only in retrospect can certain evolutionary trends be recognized."

ibid
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#122581 Mar 9, 2013
defender wrote:
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Does it not have a section just for arguing creation?... Oh but it's not bias in anyway... Same way CNN kisses Obama's ass and Fox outright lies about everything ... You sir are a kool aid drinking moron!! Easily taken in by whatever the idiot box tells you...
Amen brother! And Walmart will see us through the loss of millions of manufacturing jobs. Government and media morons.

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#122582 Mar 9, 2013
One way or another wrote:
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If you're a teacher as you claimed, it just goes to show what morons the gov hires to teach children.
If you had a brain, you would remember that I an no longer a classroom teacher but a supervisor.

If you had had me as a teacher, you wouldn't be the whiny numbskull you've grown up to be.
defender

Duluth, GA

#122583 Mar 9, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
<quoted text>Is Earth's gravitational pull determined by its mass or by its rotational speed? This is important.
I'll never understand why the evolutionist use this argument because it just proves all the more that they have no true time line of which to measure...
The theory of gravity is yet unproven but so is time... Is the speed of light a proven constant? Do the laws of science that we know of exist outside our little corner of the universe?
Can energy create matter? Higgs Boson perhaps?.... Does DNA show only a one hundred thousand year decay rate hence rendering evolution even more impossible than it already is? How about the earths magnetic field decay rate which if it is proven to be consistent renders the theory void altogether ...
So many questions ... And that's just a few... But hey keep reaching till you can fall asleep feeling safe..
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#122584 Mar 9, 2013
With the industrial revolution came higher pay, perks, healthcare and retirement. Now that millions of manufacturing jobs were given to other countries for the sake of a one world government and millions more manufacturing jobs have been automated, all the taxes from all the displaced good jobs and taxes collected from them, along with the loss of all the taxes from automation, the gov must keep borrowing money to keep paying for all the gov workers healthcare, high pay, retirement and perks.

The morons in congress know they can't keep their jobs and make the massive cuts that are needed, so they keep kicking the can down the road and doing great harm to the laborers. Labor is the only thing in the entire world that makes wealth.

The gov, Wall Street, the bankers and more are stealing all they want from laborers and then those entities blame the laborers for not having the same cubicle education they have, so that they too could steal from laborers.
defender

Duluth, GA

#122585 Mar 9, 2013
MikeF wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry, bozo. I should have realized you'd only look at the pictures.

"Detailed fossil information on the rate and distribution of new equid species has also revealed that the progression between species was not as smooth and consistent as was once believed. Although some transitions, such as that of Dinohippus to Equus, were indeed gradual progressions, a number of others, such as that of Epihippus to Mesohippus, were relatively abrupt in geologic time, taking place over only a few million years. Both anagenesis (gradual change in an entire population's gene frequency) and cladogenesis (a population "splitting" into two distinct evolutionary branches) occurred, and many species coexisted with "ancestor" species at various times. The change in equids' traits was also not always a "straight line" from Eohippus to Equus: some traits reversed themselves at various points in the evolution of new equid species, such as size and the presence of facial fossae, and only in retrospect can certain evolutionary trends be recognized."

ibid
Cut, paste, glue, "wait a sec that ain't workin (pause) ok this is how you evolved from.. Wait that ain't workin either... Somebody look it up on Talkorigins !!"...... Pathetic

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#122586 Mar 9, 2013
defender wrote:
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I'll never understand...
You could have stopped right there. The rest was redundant.
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#122587 Mar 9, 2013
MikeF wrote:
Hey stupid, This image shows a representative sequence, but should not be construed to represent a "straight-line" evolution of the horse. Reconstruction, left forefoot skeleton (third digit emphasized yellow) and longitudinal section of molars of selected prehistoric horses

I would add that science cannot prove these are of the same lineage. You're an idiot.

How many types of monkeys are there!

Mikey the moron claims to be a supervisor, must be a supervisor of morons. Lmao

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#122588 Mar 9, 2013
defender wrote:
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Cut, paste, glue, "wait a sec that ain't workin (pause) ok this is how you evolved from.. Wait that ain't workin either... Somebody look it up on Talkorigins !!"...... Pathetic
What is pathetic is you total inability to refute anything. All you do is puke bullshit. What are you, 10?
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#122589 Mar 9, 2013
MikeF wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, bozo. I should have realized you'd only look at the pictures.
"Detailed fossil information on the rate and distribution of new equid species has also revealed that the progression between species was not as smooth and consistent as was once believed. Although some transitions, such as that of Dinohippus to Equus, were indeed gradual progressions, a number of others, such as that of Epihippus to Mesohippus, were relatively abrupt in geologic time, taking place over only a few million years. Both anagenesis (gradual change in an entire population's gene frequency) and cladogenesis (a population "splitting" into two distinct evolutionary branches) occurred, and many species coexisted with "ancestor" species at various times. The change in equids' traits was also not always a "straight line" from Eohippus to Equus: some traits reversed themselves at various points in the evolution of new equid species, such as size and the presence of facial fossae, and only in retrospect can certain evolutionary trends be recognized."
ibid
You're a willing moron. You make claims and show no proof. That's what willing morons do.

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#122590 Mar 9, 2013
One way or another wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey stupid, This image shows a representative sequence, but should not be construed to represent a "straight-line" evolution of the horse. Reconstruction, left forefoot skeleton (third digit emphasized yellow) and longitudinal section of molars of selected prehistoric horses
I would add that science cannot prove these are of the same lineage. You're an idiot.
How many types of monkeys are there!
Mikey the moron claims to be a supervisor, must be a supervisor of morons. Lmao
Nah. I wouldn't hire you. We have minimum standards. And random testing so that leaves you out as well.
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#122591 Mar 9, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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What is pathetic is you total inability to refute anything. All you do is puke bullshit. What are you, 10?
Said Mikey the moron, that never once brought even one new thought to science and all he brings here is childish name calling and stupidity.

One way or another | 1 min ago
MikeF wrote:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_the ...
http://chem.tufts.edu/science/evolution/Horse ...
http://www.ecology.info/horses.htm

Hey stupid, This image shows a representative sequence, but should not be construed to represent a "straight-line" evolution of the horse. Reconstruction, left forefoot skeleton (third digit emphasized yellow) and longitudinal section of molars of selected prehistoric horses

I would add that science cannot prove these are of the same lineage. You're an idiot.

How many types of monkeys are there!

Mikey the moron claims to be a supervisor, must be a supervisor of morons. Lmao

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Indianapolis, IN

#122592 Mar 9, 2013
One way or another wrote:
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You're a willing moron. You make claims and show no proof. That's what willing morons do.
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#122594 Mar 9, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Nah. I wouldn't hire you. We have minimum standards. And random testing so that leaves you out as well.
I would not be a willing moron like you, I know that the mind must be free and very honest, if it is to rise to its potential.

Stay stupid, it looks good on you.

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