Should evolution be taught in high sc...

Should evolution be taught in high school?

There are 180376 comments on the www.scientificblogging.com story from Feb 24, 2008, titled Should evolution be taught in high school?. In it, www.scientificblogging.com reports that:

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."

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#121564 Mar 5, 2013
Russell wrote:
Written by Holy Spirit filled 40 different human authors separated by thousands of years

You mean the entire thing, save for a few books by Paul, are of completely unknown authorship. The represent at least a hundred different authors.

Russell wrote:
It is completely synchronous

If by synchronous you mean somewhat disjointed, fragmented and representing many different theologies, then yes.
Russell wrote:
It is the ALL TIME BEST SELLING BOOK in the history of the Universe

You mean on earth. The HHGG is the best selling book in the universe.

Russell wrote:
Although the date of its writing is subject to debate it was likely sometime in the 2nd Millennium BC, while the Israelites were still in Egypt.

No, not a single book dates to the second Millennium. They are all in the 1st Mellennium.

Russell wrote:
Job is considered to be the first book written
...and contains a description of dinosaurs

It may be the oldest book. It dates (at earliest) to about 600 b.c. It has zero references to dinosaurs and that assertion is pretty much crazy.

Russell wrote:
The last Book written was the Revelation, in about 95 AD.

Probably more like 110 a.d.
Russell wrote:
The Bible is, hands down, the MOST translated Book ever

True, and the Tao Te Ching is second.

At least you got one point right.

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#121565 Mar 5, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
New evidence that comets could have seeded life on Earth
http://phys.org/news/2013-03-evidence-comets-...
( Phys.org )—It's among the most ancient of questions: What are the origins of life on Earth? A new experiment simulating conditions in deep space reveals that the complex building blocks of life could have been created on icy interplanetary dust and then carried to Earth, jump-starting life.
Chemists from the University of California, Berkeley, and the University of Hawaii, Manoa, showed that conditions in space are capable of creating complex dipeptides – linked pairs of amino acids – that are essential building blocks shared by all living things. The discovery opens the door to the possibility that these molecules were brought to Earth aboard a comet or possibly meteorites, catalyzing the formation of proteins (polypeptides), enzymes and even more complex molecules, such as sugars, that are necessary for life.
"It is fascinating to consider that the most basic biochemical building blocks that led to life on Earth may well have had an extraterrestrial origin," said UC Berkeley chemist Richard Mathies, coauthor of a paper published online last week and scheduled for the March 10 print issue of The Astrophysical Journal.
While scientists have discovered basic organic molecules, such as amino acids, in numerous meteorites that have fallen to Earth, they have been unable to find the more complex molecular structures that are prerequisites for our planet's biology. As a result, scientists have always assumed that the really complicated chemistry of life must have originated in Earth's early oceans.
In an ultra-high vacuum chamber chilled to 10 degrees above absolute zero (10 Kelvin), Seol Kim and Ralf Kaiser of the Hawaiian team simulated an icy snowball in space including carbon dioxide, ammonia and various hydrocarbons such as methane, ethane and propane. When zapped with high-energy electrons to simulate the cosmic rays in space, the chemicals reacted to form complex, organic compounds, specifically dipeptides, essential to life.
At UC Berkeley, Mathies and Amanda Stockton then analyzed the organic residues through the Mars Organic Analyzer, an instrument that Mathies designed for ultrasensitive detection and identification of small organic molecules in the solar system. The analysis revealed the presence of complex molecules – nine different amino acids and at least two dipeptides – capable of catalyzing biological evolution on earth.
More information: On the formation of dipeptides in interstellar model ices (ApJ): iopscience.iop.org/0004-637X/765/2/111/

Cool article. Thanks Kong.

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#121566 Mar 5, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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You have NO evidence.

No evidence that you have the guts to address.

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#121567 Mar 5, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
The Evos have no answer for the C-Value Parodox. Or for Neil Diamond. Or for Clyde Butcher, etc.

Why does science need to find the answer for everything? Are creationists capable of nothing?

And what do you have against Clyde? He is a great photographer. And there is nothing we can do about Neil Diamond.
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Miami, FL

#121568 Mar 5, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
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Why would that be far fetched?
When our ancestors found dino bones how else would they interpret them except as giant monsters?
Do you have any evidence of this?
Level 6

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#121569 Mar 5, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
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If junk can be added it can be lost.
Any ideas as to why some Salamander have genomes 12 times bigger than others?
Smallest salamander genome size: 10.12pg, Gyrinophilus porphyriticus, Spring salamander
Largest salamander genome size: 120.60pg, Necturus lewisi, Gulf coast waterdog
Mean for salamanders: 35.90pg ± 1.05
http://www.genomesize.com/statistics.php...
You have not even come close to solving the paradox.
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#121570 Mar 5, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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Why does science need to find the answer for everything? Are creationists capable of nothing?
And what do you have against Clyde? He is a great photographer. And there is nothing we can do about Neil Diamond.
I just came back from Clyde and Nicki's VIP Guest 50th Wedding Aniversary in the Big Cypress Museum. That was today and it was spectacular!
One way or another

United States

#121571 Mar 5, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
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Development of new antibiotics
More effective use of antibiotics
Treating and preventing genetic disease
Treating and preventing HIV
Just for starters
There are also advances in agriculture and conservation which will also be extremely important for humanity in years to come.... provided we can evolve beyond the influence of morons such as yourself.
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/arti...
Then it should be easy for you to tell us how, right?

What did evolution do, that the scientists didn't?
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#121572 Mar 5, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Sure, Jimmy. That's why you've been running away for years just like Cowboy. Russ and HTS haven't made it for years yet, but they will.
Boo hoo ya big cry baby.
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#121573 Mar 5, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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And that's entirely different than saying a flowering plant gave rise to mammals, in the same way that saying your great-great-great grandfather was the descendant of a tree in Central Park that won't exist until 1,000,000 years from now is completely different (and equally wrong).
Not according to evolutions claims, that all came from one. Sounds like the Evo fairy has been hard at work.
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#121574 Mar 5, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
New evidence that comets could have seeded life on Earth
http://phys.org/news/2013-03-evidence-comets-...
( Phys.org )—It's among the most ancient of questions: What are the origins of life on Earth? A new experiment simulating conditions in deep space reveals that the complex building blocks of life could have been created on icy interplanetary dust and then carried to Earth, jump-starting life.
Chemists from the University of California, Berkeley, and the University of Hawaii, Manoa, showed that conditions in space are capable of creating complex dipeptides – linked pairs of amino acids – that are essential building blocks shared by all living things. The discovery opens the door to the possibility that these molecules were brought to Earth aboard a comet or possibly meteorites, catalyzing the formation of proteins (polypeptides), enzymes and even more complex molecules, such as sugars, that are necessary for life.
"It is fascinating to consider that the most basic biochemical building blocks that led to life on Earth may well have had an extraterrestrial origin," said UC Berkeley chemist Richard Mathies, coauthor of a paper published online last week and scheduled for the March 10 print issue of The Astrophysical Journal.
While scientists have discovered basic organic molecules, such as amino acids, in numerous meteorites that have fallen to Earth, they have been unable to find the more complex molecular structures that are prerequisites for our planet's biology. As a result, scientists have always assumed that the really complicated chemistry of life must have originated in Earth's early oceans.
In an ultra-high vacuum chamber chilled to 10 degrees above absolute zero (10 Kelvin), Seol Kim and Ralf Kaiser of the Hawaiian team simulated an icy snowball in space including carbon dioxide, ammonia and various hydrocarbons such as methane, ethane and propane. When zapped with high-energy electrons to simulate the cosmic rays in space, the chemicals reacted to form complex, organic compounds, specifically dipeptides, essential to life.
At UC Berkeley, Mathies and Amanda Stockton then analyzed the organic residues through the Mars Organic Analyzer, an instrument that Mathies designed for ultrasensitive detection and identification of small organic molecules in the solar system. The analysis revealed the presence of complex molecules – nine different amino acids and at least two dipeptides – capable of catalyzing biological evolution on earth.
More information: On the formation of dipeptides in interstellar model ices (ApJ): iopscience.iop.org/0004-637X/765/2/111/
Yea and we're all related to plants.
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#121575 Mar 5, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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This is hilarious! From the guy who just told us man and dinosaurs lived together. Too freakin funny!
And you're a fruking moron, that never once brought anything of value to this board.

Piss off idiot.

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#121576 Mar 5, 2013
One way or another wrote:
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Then it should be easy for you to tell us how, right?
What did evolution do, that the scientists didn't?
The scientists are using the information provided by evolutionary theory to make these medical advances.

As for praying to your Gaud ... no medical cures yet. Leviticus 14, direct from the mouth of your Gaud, even that doesn't seem to do anything.

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#121577 Mar 5, 2013
One way or another wrote:
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Not according to evolutions claims, that all came from one. Sounds like the Evo fairy has been hard at work.
All did come from "one" but that "one" wasn't a plant, dip wad!

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#121578 Mar 5, 2013
One way or another wrote:
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Yea and we're all related to plants.
Yes, in fact we are! They are our distant cousins.

You had a point? <other than the one on top of your head> Bet not!!
Mugwump

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#121579 Mar 5, 2013
One way or another wrote:
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Boo hoo ya big cry baby.
Jim, you often complain about 'cliques' or 'clicks' as you sometimes put it.

Broadly speaking there are indeed 2 groups involved in any debate about the merits of evolution and creationism.

Then there is you, have you noticed that no-one really takes any notice of your posts , or indeed agrees with your proclamations of 'new thinking'- you may side with UC, HTS , Russell etc but have you realised that no-one supports you (to be fair UC dismisses your posts as a wind-up).

Think on the above.

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#121580 Mar 5, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Why do creationists assume that dinosaur bones were not found in antiquity? And that legends and stories didn't grow up around those finds, leading to stories of dragons?

Long time no see. You have been missed.

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#121581 Mar 5, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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We do. But not fossils, real bones.

LOL. You may be a moron, but at least you are funny.

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#121582 Mar 5, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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I just came back from Clyde and Nicki's VIP Guest 50th Wedding Aniversary in the Big Cypress Museum. That was today and it was spectacular!

You lucky crapbag.

I love his photography. Amazing stuff.

He does great clouds.

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#121583 Mar 5, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Hardly. I haven't even found reference to it in Creationist cicles. This was actually my own idea and just searched genome size comparison and found the C-Value Paradox in the Secular arena. Now unless you can demonstrate how genome sizes can vary upwards and downwards with time I don't see that you have an argument. There is no paradox with Creation but a good one with evolution. Fish, amphibians, reptiles, mammals. Genome size. C-values. Another headache for Chimney.

You have backs fackward. It refutes creationism but is completely consistent with what we know of evolution.

Why would this even be a problem for evolution?

Oh, and most of the variation in genome size is "junk" DNA.

Just saying.

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