Should evolution be taught in high sc...

Should evolution be taught in high school?

There are 180366 comments on the www.scientificblogging.com story from Feb 24, 2008, titled Should evolution be taught in high school?. In it, www.scientificblogging.com reports that:

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."

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“There is no Truth in Faith”

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Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#121544 Mar 5, 2013
One way or another wrote:
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Show us one good thing evolution has provided to medicine. Snicker!
Ya got nothin.
Development of new antibiotics
More effective use of antibiotics
Treating and preventing genetic disease
Treating and preventing HIV

Just for starters

There are also advances in agriculture and conservation which will also be extremely important for humanity in years to come.... provided we can evolve beyond the influence of morons such as yourself.
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/arti...
One way or another

United States

#121545 Mar 5, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Jimbo, aren't you the nonce who starts ranting about weird gravity BS every time you get your azz handed to you on biology?
You had nothing there either little girl.
One way or another

United States

#121546 Mar 5, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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Eukaryotes and prokaryotes split long before flowering plants came to be, which means no mammal could ever have been a descendent of any flowering plant ever. And, that disregards the fact that flowering plants didn't come to be until AFTER animals came to be.
But you idiots claim everything came from a single cell in the beginning.
Level 6

Since: Aug 07

Miami, FL

#121547 Mar 5, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
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Suppose the later dna is more efficient, then a smaller genome will do.
Also there's no reason why accumulated junk dna can't be dumped.
Dumped? How? What would be the mechanism? Are there any studies that demonstrated genome size change? No. None. Nothing. No.
Level 6

Since: Aug 07

Miami, FL

#121548 Mar 5, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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And why not? Fossils are common enough that they would have been found by ancient civilizations. That would naturally have lead to the legends of dragons. Do you have any evidence of *living* dinosaurs while humans were also alive? Something that could not come simply from developing a legend around some fossils?
Worldwide Dragon legends built from dinosaur fossils? Wow, that's pretty far fetched! But at least your thinking.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#121549 Mar 5, 2013
One way or another wrote:
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You had nothing there either little girl.
Sure, Jimmy. That's why you've been running away for years just like Cowboy. Russ and HTS haven't made it for years yet, but they will.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#121550 Mar 5, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Dumped? How? What would be the mechanism? Are there any studies that demonstrated genome size change? No. None. Nothing. No.
Yeah.

A few thousand pages back probably.(shrug)

Heck, for all you know your genome could even have a few bases more than your parents.

I'd wager on less though.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#121551 Mar 5, 2013
One way or another wrote:
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But you idiots claim everything came from a single cell in the beginning.
And that's entirely different than saying a flowering plant gave rise to mammals, in the same way that saying your great-great-great grandfather was the descendant of a tree in Central Park that won't exist until 1,000,000 years from now is completely different (and equally wrong).
Gillette

Packwood, IA

#121552 Mar 5, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Worldwide Dragon legends built from dinosaur fossils? Wow, that's pretty far fetched! But at least your thinking.
Not farfetched at all. Many of these kid of stories and legends come from actual physical finds of bones, etc. that were much large than the birds and creatures they knew in life around them. They did not have the framework of scientific thinking with which to interpret these finds, so they constructed legends about dragons and other mythical beasts.
Level 6

Since: Aug 07

Miami, FL

#121553 Mar 5, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Yeah.
A few thousand pages back probably.(shrug)
Heck, for all you know your genome could even have a few bases more than your parents.
I'd wager on less though.
No wagers, just evidence please.
Level 6

Since: Aug 07

Miami, FL

#121554 Mar 5, 2013
The Evos are avoiding the C-Value Paradox! Nice.
Gillette

Packwood, IA

#121555 Mar 5, 2013
I'm sure we're all otherwise engaged in reading the four gospels. ((snicker))
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#121556 Mar 5, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
No wagers, just evidence please.
Evidence is superfluous to fundies.
Urban Cowboy wrote:
The Evos are avoiding the C-Value Paradox! Nice.
You've been avoiding me for two years.
Level 6

Since: Aug 07

Miami, FL

#121557 Mar 5, 2013
The Evos have no answer for the C-Value Parodox. Or for Neil Diamond. Or for Clyde Butcher, etc.
Level 6

Since: Aug 07

Miami, FL

#121558 Mar 5, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Evidence is superfluous to fundies.
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You've been avoiding me for two years.
You have NO evidence.

“Evil Atheist :-)”

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#121559 Mar 5, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Dumped? How? What would be the mechanism? Are there any studies that demonstrated genome size change? No. None. Nothing. No.
If junk can be added it can be lost.

Any ideas as to why some Salamander have genomes 12 times bigger than others?

Smallest salamander genome size: 10.12pg, Gyrinophilus porphyriticus, Spring salamander
Largest salamander genome size: 120.60pg, Necturus lewisi, Gulf coast waterdog
Mean for salamanders: 35.90pg ± 1.05
http://www.genomesize.com/statistics.php...
Russell

Adelaide, Australia

#121560 Mar 5, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Evidence is superfluous to fundies.
<quoted text>
You've been avoiding me for two years.
Like your evidence....

What was it?

SETMAR?

“Evil Atheist :-)”

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#121561 Mar 5, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Worldwide Dragon legends built from dinosaur fossils? Wow, that's pretty far fetched! But at least your thinking.
Why would that be far fetched?

When our ancestors found dino bones how else would they interpret them except as giant monsters?

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#121562 Mar 5, 2013
New evidence that comets could have seeded life on Earth

http://phys.org/news/2013-03-evidence-comets-...

( Phys.org )—It's among the most ancient of questions: What are the origins of life on Earth? A new experiment simulating conditions in deep space reveals that the complex building blocks of life could have been created on icy interplanetary dust and then carried to Earth, jump-starting life.

Chemists from the University of California, Berkeley, and the University of Hawaii, Manoa, showed that conditions in space are capable of creating complex dipeptides – linked pairs of amino acids – that are essential building blocks shared by all living things. The discovery opens the door to the possibility that these molecules were brought to Earth aboard a comet or possibly meteorites, catalyzing the formation of proteins (polypeptides), enzymes and even more complex molecules, such as sugars, that are necessary for life.

"It is fascinating to consider that the most basic biochemical building blocks that led to life on Earth may well have had an extraterrestrial origin," said UC Berkeley chemist Richard Mathies, coauthor of a paper published online last week and scheduled for the March 10 print issue of The Astrophysical Journal.

While scientists have discovered basic organic molecules, such as amino acids, in numerous meteorites that have fallen to Earth, they have been unable to find the more complex molecular structures that are prerequisites for our planet's biology. As a result, scientists have always assumed that the really complicated chemistry of life must have originated in Earth's early oceans.

In an ultra-high vacuum chamber chilled to 10 degrees above absolute zero (10 Kelvin), Seol Kim and Ralf Kaiser of the Hawaiian team simulated an icy snowball in space including carbon dioxide, ammonia and various hydrocarbons such as methane, ethane and propane. When zapped with high-energy electrons to simulate the cosmic rays in space, the chemicals reacted to form complex, organic compounds, specifically dipeptides, essential to life.

At UC Berkeley, Mathies and Amanda Stockton then analyzed the organic residues through the Mars Organic Analyzer, an instrument that Mathies designed for ultrasensitive detection and identification of small organic molecules in the solar system. The analysis revealed the presence of complex molecules – nine different amino acids and at least two dipeptides – capable of catalyzing biological evolution on earth.

More information: On the formation of dipeptides in interstellar model ices (ApJ): iopscience.iop.org/0004-637X/765/2/111/

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Indianapolis, IN

#121563 Mar 5, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Worldwide Dragon legends built from dinosaur fossils? Wow, that's pretty far fetched! But at least your thinking.


This is hilarious! From the guy who just told us man and dinosaurs lived together. Too freakin funny!

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