Should evolution be taught in high sc...

Should evolution be taught in high school?

There are 178667 comments on the www.scientificblogging.com story from Feb 24, 2008, titled Should evolution be taught in high school?. In it, www.scientificblogging.com reports that:

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."

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#119987 Feb 25, 2013
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>You are not interested in science, SZ. You are religious zealot, wallowing in self absorption and arrogance. Anything that doesn't fit with your worldview is rejected without any investigation. I will again remind you... evo-babbling is not science.
You are back to projecting.

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#119988 Feb 25, 2013
One way or another wrote:
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Lmao,-- merely an indeterminate number? You fruking moron, why didn't your mother just slap you and drop you off at an asylum where you belong? You pretend that you are fooling everyone else, which is just funny as hell, especially when you do it constantly.
I see that it works on your Evo moron buddies, but then everyone's not as dumb as y'all.
You then spew the following pathetic, moronic trash where your own words refute themselves, all in the same sentence.,--Irreducible Complexity on the other hand arbitrarily restricts the assumed number of pathways with no evidence that life actually has to follow those restrictions.
You fruking moron, go back to your hole.
Perhaps you should stop pretending that you have a clue as to what anybody else is talking about.

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#119989 Feb 26, 2013
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>You're delusional. Scientific observation contradicts your faith. There is no scientific observation to suggestion that disorder can spontaneously proceed to order and complexity without an intelligent force.
I have given you evidence for intelligent design... beauty, complexity of life, man's conscience, the fullness of the earth. You have overwhelming evidence. You cannot explain any of these observations by science, but can only rationalize them away by imaginative stories of how you suppose that evolution works. If this evidence is not to your liking, then admit and tell me what sort of evidence would convince you.
Why are you so deliberately ignorant?– is it goddidit?

Just because you do not understand the universe does not mean goddidit, there is no scientific observation to suggest goddidt it, there is plenty of scientific inquiry and hard scientific evidence to suggest that right back for 13.7+ billion years the formation of the universe was/is chaotically random. Prior to a point 10^-34th of a second after the event known as the big bang is unknown by science, religion, anyone including YOU. Anything suggested before that point is pure conjecture.

Have you ever seen the results of an explosion? Imagine the biggest one ever and then try explaining how that is ordered.

Again for the hard of understanding, you have given me your opinion, not evidence.

Opinion IS NOT evidence,

Opinion NEVER WILL BE evidence.

Opinion IS opinion, your personal view and nothing more. However you are welcome to delude yourself with your opinion but don’t be surprised that people who have actually spent time learning the FACTS and studying the EVIDENCE don’t all fall down at you feet and pray to your god.

I have asked you to provide proof of what you claim, as is required for evidence and you have been UNABLE to provide such proof but instead simply repeated your personal opinion claiming it as evidence.

This is one of the many problems with the typical christard. They take English words and phrases and DISTORT them to suite their own sensibilities. Opinion is not fact, your word is not evidence, faith is not truth, morality has been around thousands of years longer than christianity and good news is not news but 2000 year old olds

I am not a scientist or teacher of science but these observations CAN be explained and learned, whether you like that or not is irrelevant, it is fact. The 2nd law of thermodynamics explains why the world and universe are as they are, sorry if you are too stupid to understand that. The universe started with an explosion and has been declining into disorder since.

As for evolution, the theory EXPLAINS the fact, learn it before slagging if off from the point of christian ignorance. Again it’s not my problem is you are too stupid to understand.

Professor Daniel S. Fisher starts one of his presentations on the understanding of evolution “The basic laws of evolution have been known for more than a century and there is overwhelming evidence for the facts of evolution.”

I have told you what would convince me – EVIDENCE – and to date ALL the evidence convinces me of what I believe and there is NO evidence, anywhere, anywhen to say goddidit

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#119990 Feb 26, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Wrong! Patently false statement by ChristineM. Monarch butterflies migrate from NE America to regions in Mexico over 3 generations. How would they learn to navigate to the exact spot if they've never been there? Here's an article to help you correct your mistakes and aid your learning:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/05/...
Note –“For the most part migratory behaviour is learned”.

You even cherry picked the part of the sentence that shows you to be a moron – how stupid can you get?

For the most part means there are exceptions so how the fook does that make it a false statement? Or are you LYING for you god again?

And here are three academic papers to show what I say has substance

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/...
http://www.nrcresearchpress.com/doi/abs/10.11...
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF...

READ AND LEARN.

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#119991 Feb 26, 2013
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>What evidence do you have that any human evolutin took place in Europe?... and what dating methods are you using to determine a 40,000 year time period? I know you can't be specific because you have no evidence.
Your strawman characatures of creationism only reveal your base ignorance and religious bias. Your "evolutiondidit with magic" paradigm is nothing more than a false religion founded on atheism.
See the skull I use for my avatar, that’s one.

Cro magnon man. Homo-sapiens, over 18,000 years their skeletal structure evolved from a more dense bone structure with a larger skull (and hence bigger brain) to what is now considered the human norm. This happened, there is evidence and even with your goddidt attitude the physical proof CANNOT be denied because it exists.

Several dating methods including Carbon dating of the material used in cave painting, skeletal remains and fire pits. Dendrochronology of the charred remains in those fire pits. Thermoluminescence, optical dating and analysis of the geological column to name just a few. I know what you are going to say, they are not accurate but here you will be totally wrong – again. Individually they are accurate to a very few percent, in some with less than 1% error. Combined they bring that dating error down to around 0.1%. Now tell me what is 0.1% of 30,000 years and ask if I am bothered by such inaccuracy?

BTW – here is EVIDENCE
http://www.musee-prehistoire-eyzies.fr/
The English language part of the site
http://rmn.fr/english/les-musees-et-leurs-exp...
And just for you, the children’s English language version
http://rmn.fr/english/children/museum-experie...

Do not try and bad mouth my education with goddidt lies. It just highlights your deliberate ignorance and pathetic need to lower everyone to your level. I have EVIDENCE – YOU DON’T. When you do then feel free to mock me for my belief until then go boil your head in a bucket of p|ss

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#119992 Feb 26, 2013
HTS wrote:
<quoted text> Do you enjoy being a religious bigot? Does it make you feel good to mock the sacred beliefs of others?
Sorry? I don’t quite understand you here

Are you saying that you are free to mock the beliefs of others if they don’t coincide with you personal belief but if anyone says anything against your beliefs you get all incredulous?

You hypocritical moron

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#119993 Feb 26, 2013
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>interesting... You all know it exists, but you demand that I define it.

In general parlance, sure. But it is not a scientific term, nor does it appear useful as one.

If you were up to the task you would have defined it scientifically.

Yet another opportunity to stomp on the grave you dug for yourself.

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#119994 Feb 26, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Jesus taught us that he did not guarantee there would not be conflict. If you choose righteousness and your brother or sister chooses evil, you will probably be faced with arguments and conflicts. Conversion to Christ can result in straind family relationships. Christ never meant to delude believers that he promised a life devoid of all conflict.


partial credit. Good as far as you go.

Perhaps I should have given you more information but you only asked for the verse.

One way or another

United States

#119995 Feb 26, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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Ah, the "cherished doctrine of genetic determinism". Another straw-man construction by creatards.
Why would biologists care, in the evolutionary sense, whether everything is in the genes, or whether some function can be determined in other parts of the genome or indeed other parts of the cell? Why would biologists care, in the evolutionary sense, about epigenetic change? Why would they care even about environmental adaptability?
None of these things would matter to the veracity of evolution.
What you are doing is making the usual error of those who see reductionism in action. Until there was reason to believe otherwise, the working model was to assume characteristics were determined by the genes in the first instance. This was not a "doctrine", it was a working model, starting with the simplest approach.
The same reductionism was to assume that geological processes were gradual until proven otherwise, and that the universe was in a stable state until proven otherwise, that all members of a single chemical element were identical until proven otherwise, that the constants of nature stay constant until proven otherwise, etc.
The usual and tired ploy of you creationists is to claim these working assumptions are "doctrines", which is your feeble attempt to bring down the rational empirical enterprise to your own lowly and superstitious level. The only "doctrine" science adheres to is that the final arbiter of truth is observation.
That's why out of billions of fossils, the so called scientists can't trace the progression of even one animal or man through time.

There is not even one gradualistic set of bones throughout your so called evolutionary time line.

Wow, what a muzzle the so called leaders have on most all scientists, making them look like complete morons.

Then there's you childish morons, believing anything they tell you. Lol, you morons.

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#119996 Feb 26, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
Everyone knows that Jimbo is best left ignored.
Point taken. It is kinda fun on a boring day to wind him up though.
Subduction Zone wrote:
He is perhaps the most delusional, most uneducated, most incompetent, total ass that I have ever seen on the internet. Did I write most delusional? Yes, I see I did. You must understand that he is incredibly delusional. If he is on your side it is the worst thing possible for your argument.
Agreed.
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United States

#119997 Feb 26, 2013
The billions of fossils prove there is no gradualistic change in even one creature throughout time and yet, the fully corrupted school systems tell children that science must be observable.

The observable fossil record shows not one creatures bones gradually changing through time, as evolution claims.

Do you enjoy dumbing down children to make you feel superior? Is life about whatever power you can have over children that never grow up, like the evolutionary morons on this site?
One way or another

United States

#119998 Feb 26, 2013
It seems these evolutionary children will say anything to hold onto their observable stupidity.

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#119999 Feb 26, 2013
One way or another wrote:
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That's why out of billions of fossils, the so called scientists can't trace the progression of even one animal or man through time.
There is not even one gradualistic set of bones throughout your so called evolutionary time line.
Wow, what a muzzle the so called leaders have on most all scientists, making them look like complete morons.
Then there's you childish morons, believing anything they tell you. Lol, you morons.
Sure there are. The continuum of fossil skulls for hominids goes right back from modern man to the very apelike skull of australopithecus afarensis. There is a seemless series of changes, so much so that there are arguments over many fossils as to whether they belong to one species or the next.

And that is just hominids. There are many others.

What about the fact that even creationists cannot agree as to whether archaeopteryx is a bird or a therapod dinosaur? And we have 30+ other "feathered dino / bird" species that further blur the line.

Similarly, the transition from reptile to mammal.

There are too many examples to count on this forum.

You just read some creationist crap and accepted it, that's all.

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#120000 Feb 26, 2013
One way or another wrote:
The billions of fossils prove there is no gradualistic change in even one creature throughout time and yet, the fully corrupted school systems tell children that science must be observable.
The observable fossil record shows not one creatures bones gradually changing through time, as evolution claims.
Do you enjoy dumbing down children to make you feel superior? Is life about whatever power you can have over children that never grow up, like the evolutionary morons on this site?
Ditto my last post.

In any case, evolution does not predict the smooth continuum that creationists insist it does. Even back to Darwin that was not the case. In other words, once again you keep arguing against straw men, not the ACTUAL theory of evolution.

Evolutionary change is rapid when the environment is unstable, and less so when it is stable. Once a species is optimised to a particular environment, its unlikely to keep rapidly changing until something in the environment changes.

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#120001 Feb 26, 2013
One way or another wrote:
<quoted text>
That's why out of billions of fossils, the so called scientists can't trace the progression of even one animal or man through time.
There is not even one gradualistic set of bones throughout your so called evolutionary time line.
Wow, what a muzzle the so called leaders have on most all scientists, making them look like complete morons.
Then there's you childish morons, believing anything they tell you. Lol, you morons.
BTW, with your indiscriminate scatter gun approach, you still have not managed to defend ID and irreducible complexity against the error I pointed out. YOU nor anybody can say what the LIMIT on possible past changes and functions or intermediate structures leading to a modern structure had to be. Therefore ID fails as an argument even in principle.
HTS

Williston, ND

#120002 Feb 26, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Why are you so deliberately ignorant?– is it goddidit?
Just because you do not understand the universe does not mean goddidit, there is no scientific observation to suggest goddidt it, there is plenty of scientific inquiry and hard scientific evidence to suggest that right back for 13.7+ billion years the formation of the universe was/is chaotically random. Prior to a point 10^-34th of a second after the event known as the big bang is unknown by science, religion, anyone including YOU. Anything suggested before that point is pure conjecture.
Have you ever seen the results of an explosion? Imagine the biggest one ever and then try explaining how that is ordered.
Again for the hard of understanding, you have given me your opinion, not evidence.
Opinion IS NOT evidence,
Opinion NEVER WILL BE evidence.
Opinion IS opinion, your personal view and nothing more. However you are welcome to delude yourself with your opinion but don’t be surprised that people who have actually spent time learning the FACTS and studying the EVIDENCE don’t all fall down at you feet and pray to your god.
I have asked you to provide proof of what you claim, as is required for evidence and you have been UNABLE to provide such proof but instead simply repeated your personal opinion claiming it as evidence.
This is one of the many problems with the typical christard. They take English words and phrases and DISTORT them to suite their own sensibilities. Opinion is not fact, your word is not evidence, faith is not truth, morality has been around thousands of years longer than christianity and good news is not news but 2000 year old olds
I am not a scientist or teacher of science but these observations CAN be explained and learned, whether you like that or not is irrelevant, it is fact. The 2nd law of thermodynamics explains why the world and universe are as they are, sorry if you are too stupid to understand that. The universe started with an explosion and has been declining into disorder since.
As for evolution, the theory EXPLAINS the fact, learn it before slagging if off from the point of christian ignorance. Again it’s not my problem is you are too stupid to understand.
Professor Daniel S. Fisher starts one of his presentations on the understanding of evolution “The basic laws of evolution have been known for more than a century and there is overwhelming evidence for the facts of evolution.”
I have told you what would convince me – EVIDENCE – and to date ALL the evidence convinces me of what I believe and there is NO evidence, anywhere, anywhen to say goddidit
I agree that opinions are not evidence... Including yours. Your disbelief in God doesn't mean that evolutiondidit with magic through an explosion... You have no science.

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#120003 Feb 26, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
<quoted text>
Doesn't it get boring just calling everyone at odds with your ideology a liar? Wouldn't you want to discuss matters just once?
I said CONFIRMED liars. However, you just described exactly what you do, though I suppose you also leave open the possibility of nearly universal incompetence among nearly the entire scientific community, with only fundamentalist Christian creationists being the only ones capable of scientific integrity and competence.

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I'm a racist caricature!

#120004 Feb 26, 2013
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>
You know nothing about the God I believe in.
Nor do you.

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I'm a racist caricature!

#120005 Feb 26, 2013
One way or another wrote:
<quoted text>
Lmao,-- merely an indeterminate number? You fruking moron, why didn't your mother just slap you and drop you off at an asylum where you belong? You pretend that you are fooling everyone else, which is just funny as hell, especially when you do it constantly.
I see that it works on your Evo moron buddies, but then everyone's not as dumb as y'all.
You then spew the following pathetic, moronic trash where your own words refute themselves, all in the same sentence.,--Irreducible Complexity on the other hand arbitrarily restricts the assumed number of pathways with no evidence that life actually has to follow those restrictions.
You fruking moron, go back to your hole.
Pearls before swine.
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Sarasota, FL

#120006 Feb 26, 2013
Ya know how our society was built on manufacturing and how that supported the huge increases for government workers, their perks, retirements and healthcare?

Well, since most of our manufacturing jobs were sent overseas in this one world government and how many more millions of manufacturing jobs are now automated? Well, that means all those people that paid taxes with those Manu jobs don't pay those taxes anymore.

That means, we can't afford those gov salaries perks, healthcare and retirements. However, gov now blames all the problems on the programs for those that truly need help, that gov created, while the fully corrupt congress stole all the trillions in social security money, while congress now takes bribes as always, to enriched the huge corporations and their investors that keep electing and protecting them. The stock market is the same type of scheme, causing the least of us to pay higher prices to investors, bankers and corporations, that manipulate the markets, always demanding more profits,

While labor is the ONLY thing that makes wealth.
You are stealing everything from the laborers and then you blame the laborers for not being parasites like you.

Those entities are destroying America

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