Should evolution be taught in high school?

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Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand." Full Story
HTS

Sidney, MT

#118976 Feb 22, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Quoting evolutionary biologists who disagree with you is dishonest. By the way, Collins is a Christian.
You are profoundly dishonest. You have categorically excluded all quotes I presesnt by accusing me of "quote mining". Likewise, all scientific references I post are not considered because you believe I got them off of creationist websites. You constantly introduce irrelevant distractions such as Collins being a Christian. It is obvious that you have no regard for scientific principles whatsoever, but try to justify your worldview by what you naively consider "science" which in reality is hand selected propaganda.

“Don't get me started”

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Since: Jul 09

Minneapolis

#118977 Feb 22, 2013
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>The imperfections argument is founded on religious beliefs and is therefore invalid in a scientific discussion. You cannot assume any attributes of an intelligent designer or how a creative process would have been conducted, because the process is unknown.
I agree with you that a God could have used evolution. If that were true, the fundamental assumption of Darwinism (ie, no intelligent design exists) would be refuted. Also, I see no evidence of gradualistic evolution in the fossil record. If evolution produced the 7-10 million species of life on earth, billions of transitional forms should exist in the fossil record, not one or two debatable, subjectively evaluated examples. Why is it that there are over 1,000 fossils of flying reptiles, all fully capable of powered flight, spanning a geologic time period of 160 million years... and no transitional forms are identified?
Extinction happens. There are more dead ends in genomes than living forms.
HTS

Sidney, MT

#118978 Feb 22, 2013
appleboy wrote:
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You seem stuck on this. So OK, for your purposes, you should consider the probability that because chance mutation is a primary ingredient in the fate of all living beings, along with natural selection, life is subject to genetics and environmental factors, therefore evolution might indicate that no God exists. Bummer, right?
You appear to be a boarderline agnostic, hanging on to one last stubborn thread of fundieism. You are smart enough to understand the implications of evolution, so you can't bring yourself to test your beliefs against the actual theory of evolution. Your hope against unbelievable hope is that your strawman vision of evolution is really all there is to it.
No honest scientist who objectively looked at the facts could possibly believe in molecules-to-man evolution.

“I Am No One Else”

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Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#118979 Feb 22, 2013
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>You are profoundly dishonest. You have categorically excluded all quotes I presesnt by accusing me of "quote mining". Likewise, all scientific references I post are not considered because you believe I got them off of creationist websites. You constantly introduce irrelevant distractions such as Collins being a Christian. It is obvious that you have no regard for scientific principles whatsoever, but try to justify your worldview by what you naively consider "science" which in reality is hand selected propaganda.
You really need to learn what quote mining is.
One way or another

United States

#118980 Feb 22, 2013
appleboy wrote:
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Critical mistakes sometimes do add up in individuals. Those individuals are eliminated from the genome by natural selection. Only "good enough" passes muster.
You're an idiot as usual. The project purposely uses diseased people as well.

The project has been taken over by evolutionists. We can expect far less to come from the project now.
One way or another

United States

#118981 Feb 22, 2013
appleboy wrote:
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Extinction happens. There are more dead ends in genomes than living forms.
Do show us the proof.
HTS

Sidney, MT

#118982 Feb 22, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Blue eues.
You asked.(shrug)
In the first place, you haven't demonstrated how the first blue eyes came into existence. Secondly, blue eyes are no more complex than any other color. If that's the best you can come up with to prove than man evolved from a microbe, you don't have anything. Variation of eye color is determined by three different alleles in humans. Selection of pre-existing traits has nothing to do with evolution.

“Don't get me started”

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Since: Jul 09

Minneapolis

#118983 Feb 22, 2013
Russell wrote:
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Where's my sweetener?
Harsh but true, no sweetener for you.

Gosh, now I'm a poet.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#118984 Feb 22, 2013
One way or another wrote:
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Do show us the proof.
Well, considering how many species we have seen go extinct over the last 100 years, there is plenty of evidence of that.
HTS

Sidney, MT

#118985 Feb 22, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Correct, we've never shown you single examples because we've provided many. You can't even address them and dismiss anything which conflicts with your religion.
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Then you claim that none of these would be evidence of violation of observed nested hierarchies? How you figure?
Prove that nested hierarchies are predicted by evolution. Prove that nested hierarchies are not predicted by intelligent design.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#118986 Feb 22, 2013
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>Prove that nested hierarchies are predicted by evolution. Prove that nested hierarchies are not predicted by intelligent design.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/tj/v...
Denying nested hierarchies right there.
Elohim

Branford, CT

#118988 Feb 22, 2013
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>Prove that nested hierarchies are predicted by evolution. Prove that nested hierarchies are not predicted by intelligent design.
Intelligent design is religious dogma masquerading as pseudo-science.
HTS

Sidney, MT

#118989 Feb 22, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Well, considering how many species we have seen go extinct over the last 100 years, there is plenty of evidence of that.
Extinction does not prove eolution.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#118990 Feb 22, 2013
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>Extinction does not prove eolution.
No, but DNA, nested hierarchies, ERV's, the fossil record, and thousand of other pieces of evidence do.

Meanwhile you have no evidence at all for your claims.

Even a little evidence beats no evidence.
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United States

#118991 Feb 22, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Well, considering how many species we have seen go extinct over the last 100 years, there is plenty of evidence of that.
Your mind is so shallow, it would only confuse you, if I explained what the reasons for extinction are from the past 100 years.
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United States

#118992 Feb 22, 2013
Google it moron.

Extinct Animals in The Last 100 Years
A glance at the list of extinct animals in the last 100 years is bound to leave you spell bound. The list features some of the prominent species, including the Barbary lion and the Western Black rhinoceros. More importantly, studies have revealed that approximately a quarter of animal species will be wiped off the planet owing to human induced climate change.

However, man cannot prove climate change is not natural. Cap and trade.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#118993 Feb 22, 2013
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>In the first place, you haven't demonstrated how the first blue eyes came into existence. Secondly, blue eyes are no more complex than any other color. If that's the best you can come up with to prove than man evolved from a microbe, you don't have anything. Variation of eye color is determined by three different alleles in humans. Selection of pre-existing traits has nothing to do with evolution.
Blue eyes are less "complex" than other eye colors. Of course you have not properly defined "complex" yet.
Mugwump

UK

#118994 Feb 22, 2013
One way or another wrote:
However, man cannot prove climate change is not natural. Cap and trade.
Can't prove outright anything in science - but can formulate theories based on known facts that are overwhelmingly the most likely explanation.

But let me guess, for you

AGW = conspiracy to get taxes

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Since: May 08

Orlando

#118995 Feb 22, 2013
One way or another wrote:
More importantly, studies have revealed that approximately a quarter of animal species will be wiped off the planet owing to human induced climate change.
However, man cannot prove climate change is not natural. Cap and trade.
Man-made or not, extinction due to an organism's inability to adapt to changing environmental conditions (i.e., climate) is a factor of Natural Selection and the Theory of Evolution.
One way or another

United States

#118996 Feb 22, 2013
Mugwump wrote:
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Can't prove outright anything in science - but can formulate theories based on known facts that are overwhelmingly the most likely explanation.
But let me guess, for you
AGW = conspiracy to get taxes
Do tell how the gov is going to sequester all the automotive co2.

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