Should evolution be taught in high sc...

Should evolution be taught in high school?

There are 180394 comments on the www.scientificblogging.com story from Feb 24, 2008, titled Should evolution be taught in high school?. In it, www.scientificblogging.com reports that:

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."

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#118578 Feb 21, 2013
TerryL wrote:
<quoted text>Wow... <face-palm>.
"HTS" must stand for:
"How's That for Stupid?"
Wow, I bet using that childish innuendo took you no more than 3 days.

I bet your mommy would be proud of you.
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United States

#118579 Feb 21, 2013
HTS wrote:
Notice that the atheists on this forum incessantly bring up religion... this is because their entire foundation of evidence rests on attempted disproof of intelligent design. They can't prove evolution, because as a scientific theory it is undefensible.
Exactly.
MIDutch

Sterling Heights, MI

#118580 Feb 21, 2013
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>Science is likewise not concerned about stories of matter self organizing into life. If you have some science to offer, then let's hear it. Otherwise, spare us the strawman arguments.
Another LIE. Don't you ever get tired of LYING?

http://esciencenews.com/articles/2013/02/20/m...

"Hud's group knew that they were on to something when they added a small chemical tail to a proto-RNA base and saw it spontaneously form linear assemblies with another proto-RNA base. In some cases, the results produced 18,000 nicely ordered, stacked molecules in one long structure."

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#118581 Feb 21, 2013
One way or another wrote:
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Wow, I bet using that childish innuendo took you no more than 3 days.
I bet your mommy would be proud of you.
Anybody want to take a stab at how long it will be before Jimbozo learns what 'innuendo' actually means?
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United States

#118582 Feb 21, 2013
MIDutch wrote:
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Notice that HTS is LYING about the people who accept the Theory of Evolution all being atheists, when in reality the VAST majority of people who accept the Theory of Evolution are Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Confucianists, Daoists, Shinto, Sikhs, Wiccans, Pagans, agnostics, etc.... this is because (just like all "fundamentalist xrisitan creationists") he HAS to LIE in order to maintain his bronze age goat herder FAIRY TALE delusions. He HAS to LIE about people who accept the ToE, the vast majority of scientists, the research and evidence, science itself and reality.
Then show us the names and testimonies of all these people. Lmao-- you morons believe anything.

No wonder, you attended the American school system, that dumbs down all the kids, so the gov can say anything and most of you believe it.
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United States

#118583 Feb 21, 2013
Elohim wrote:
<quoted text>More B.S. from an anti-science anti-intellectual.
Wow that was just so sciency, unlike all the other morons in your group. Oops, no its not, your a moron too. Hahahahahahahaha

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#118584 Feb 21, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Anybody want to take a stab at how long it will be before Jimbozo learns what 'innuendo' actually means?
About as long as it will take HTS to properly identify logical errors. Now was that a straw man argument or begging the question?
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United States

#118585 Feb 21, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Anybody want to take a stab at how long it will be before Jimbozo learns what 'innuendo' actually means?
Do tell, you did say you went to dog college. Lol

“Don't get me started”

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Since: Jul 09

Minneapolis

#118586 Feb 21, 2013
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>Abiogenesis is critical to Darwinism, and hiding your head in the sand doesn't erase the problem. Magic poofing of life from non-life is all that can be hypothesized at this point.
If ToE does not address the origin of life, then tell me precisely at what point life begins. Was the precursor to single cell life "non-life". At what point does the ToE arbitrarily stop looking for answers, and why? Can you logically, in your own words, explain to me WHY abiogenesis is not part of ToE?
Any specific hypothesis of how life started is not critical to the ToE. We know that life somehow started. There are many hypothetical answers, but there's not enough information to form a reasonable theory. Fortunately, life does exist so we can bypass the question of how it happened until more information is available. What is your SCIENTIFIC theory?

There are several hypothetical answers concerning how the oceans formed. Some say that most of our water came from comets and astroids. Others say that it came from valcanos. There's no definitive answer, but we know the oceans do exist and make projections about what happens within that environment.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#118587 Feb 21, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Anybody want to take a stab at how long it will be before Jimbozo learns what 'innuendo' actually means?
....perhaps he thinks it's a suppository.
HTS

Mandan, ND

#118588 Feb 21, 2013
MIDutch wrote:
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Not trying to validate the Theory of Evolution. MILLIONS of scientists, technicians and students in THOUSANDS of museums, universities, research laboratories, excavation sites, research hospitals, observatories, etc. all around the world, over the past 200+ years have been doing a great job with that.
What I was doing was merely pointing out your LYING and hypocrisy.
You WERE the one who brought up "story telling" in one of your posts, were you not? All the while KNOWING that your whole world view is based on childishly ridiculous bronze age goat herder "story telling".
Predictably, you yet again feel a need to bring up religion to defend a flimsy hypothesis. Just because someone doubts that man evolved from a worm doesn't suggest that he's not a scientist. If you think all scientists agree on evolution you are incredibly naive.
MIDutch

Sterling Heights, MI

#118589 Feb 21, 2013
One way or another wrote:
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Then show us the names and testimonies of all these people. Lmao-- you morons believe anything.
No wonder, you attended the American school system, that dumbs down all the kids, so the gov can say anything and most of you believe it.
I'm glad I attended the American school that I did where I actually learned about science ... as opposed to the fundamentalist madras that you went to where you learned about magic, and talking animals, and angels having sex with women, and brothers having sex with their sisters, and fathers having sex with their daughters, and mothers having sex with their sons, and this naked chick possibly having sex with this "snake" (snicker).

No wonder you guys are so screwed up.
HTS

Mandan, ND

#118590 Feb 21, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Chimney1 demonstrated more than once how Sanford was debunked.
And I see that you still don't understand science or genetics.
We don't need to prove that those mutations disappear. In fact hey don't. Bad mutations quickly die out. He did show that. The vast majority of mutations are benign, that has been shown. We don't see people walking around with 100 obvious mutations from their parents. Most of those mutations occurred in "junk DNA" or more properly non-coding DNA.
All we have to show is that bad mutations are not passed on, and he showed exactly that.
If you don't understand evolution, or biology, you cannot argue against it.
Sanford never made his case in the first place. I know you are religious so without any evidence at all, except for the writing of one weirdo would you believe in a Magic Teapot on the far side of the Moon? Of course not, so why should science believe the writing of one weirdo who did not provide any evidence that supports his claim? In fact all evidence out there says that his claims are wrong.
So Sanford never made his case other than to make a simple computer program that followed his rules, not nature's rules. He provided no evidence from the real world that showed his idea to be correct in fact all evidence from the real world debunked his hypothesis.
It is not up to us to demonstrate that all bad mutations die out, and they don't by the way, they don't build up as Sanford claimed. It is up to you to provide evidence that supports Sanford. Otherwise the little bit of work that has been done to debunk him stands.
A little bit of evidence beats no evidence. You have not evidence.
Your entire argument relies on the failed junk DNA paradigm. Also, you have offered no logical reason to assume that 100+ errors in nucleotide sequences are truly neutral. You've repeatedly dodged the question as to how the functionality of individual nucleotides is measured.
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United States

#118591 Feb 21, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Anybody want to take a stab at how long it will be before Jimbozo learns what 'innuendo' actually means?
Come on Mikey the moron, do show us what innuendo means.
HTS

Mandan, ND

#118592 Feb 21, 2013
appleboy wrote:
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Any specific hypothesis of how life started is not critical to the ToE. We know that life somehow started. There are many hypothetical answers, but there's not enough information to form a reasonable theory. Fortunately, life does exist so we can bypass the question of how it happened until more information is available. What is your SCIENTIFIC theory?
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You can't assume that because life exists, it therefore evolved without intelligent design.
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United States

#118593 Feb 21, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
....perhaps he thinks it's a suppository.
Another man of science. Lol

Now this is what your group lives for, you finally get to talk.
MIDutch

Sterling Heights, MI

#118594 Feb 21, 2013
One way or another wrote:
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Do tell, you did say you went to dog college. Lol
As opposed to you, who went to cat piss school.

BTW you ever earn that 10 BILLION dollars you said you were going to? Or did the Jews in Washington, DC screw you over again?

Must be a bummer being so incompetent.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#118595 Feb 21, 2013
One way or another wrote:
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Come on Mikey the moron, do show us what innuendo means.
Do your own homework, Ryan.
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United States

#118596 Feb 21, 2013
MIDutch wrote:
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I'm glad I attended the American school that I did where I actually learned about science ... as opposed to the fundamentalist madras that you went to where you learned about magic, and talking animals, and angels having sex with women, and brothers having sex with their sisters, and fathers having sex with their daughters, and mothers having sex with their sons, and this naked chick possibly having sex with this "snake" (snicker).
No wonder you guys are so screwed up.
There ya go, blaming religion for your stupidity.

The American education in action, according to idiots like you. Way ta show the world moron.
MIDutch

Sterling Heights, MI

#118597 Feb 21, 2013
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>Your entire argument relies on the failed junk DNA paradigm. Also, you have offered no logical reason to assume that 100+ errors in nucleotide sequences are truly neutral. You've repeatedly dodged the question as to how the functionality of individual nucleotides is measured.
Riiiiiight. That's why the Theory of Evolution went from being the ONLY world view allowed in most of the Western world (often enforced with imprisonment, torture, death and genocide) to being laughed at by pretty much everyone in the world.

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Oh, wait. That would be YOU guys, wouldn't it?

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