Should evolution be taught in high school?

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Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand." Full Story

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Since: Aug 07

North Miami Beach, FL

#117041 Feb 12, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
And once again HTS shows that he does not understand evolution.
HTS, it is almost impossible to debunk a theory that you do not understand.
Don't you people ever get tired of this? I mean, time after time dening the obvious and resorting to calling us liars or stupid because you don't have the courage to admit we are right and you have no answer? Because if you had an answer, it would be in the form of a "yes we have observed that and here is the paper". We all know you haven't. Can't you see that something is wrong with your thinking? We have been selectively breeding dogs and farm animals for centuries. Lenski's long term evolution experiments on E-coli are past 50,000 generations. How much evidence (or non-evidence) do you need to convince you? What will it take before you accept the facts?
Russell

Adelaide, Australia

#117042 Feb 12, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
Ahh, quote mining a creatard who does not understand the theory of evolution. I guess that is a bit of an improvement.
Yes
That MUST be a quote mine
Because he goes on to say that evolution, as dastardly as the lack of evidence is, IS TRUE...

No

That just isn't the case

So sadly for you

By the way
Still waiting for your response to heteroplasmy with mtDNA being a mistake on Terrible Origins....

As always

Bluster and hot air
Nil else from SZ

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#117043 Feb 12, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't you people ever get tired of this? I mean, time after time dening the obvious and resorting to calling us liars or stupid because you don't have the courage to admit we are right and you have no answer? Because if you had an answer, it would be in the form of a "yes we have observed that and here is the paper". We all know you haven't. Can't you see that something is wrong with your thinking? We have been selectively breeding dogs and farm animals for centuries. Lenski's long term evolution experiments on E-coli are past 50,000 generations. How much evidence (or non-evidence) do you need to convince you? What will it take before you accept the facts?
When people are liars and stupid we call them that.

You for example have continually posted a list of lies that you know has been falsified. That makes you a liar. You can no longer claim to be merely an ignorant idiot.

Please note, we all offer to educate you people many times over. Our offer is always rejected.

And Urb we have offered you papers. Unfortunately you ARE too stupid to understand them. You gave the perfect example. You need to go back to the basics of science. You can't learn evolution if you don't know the basics.
Russell

Adelaide, Australia

#117044 Feb 12, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
A nice article for Russell to read. Rusty, you can read, can't you?
http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2010/07/if-an...
Long story short, Hunter is proven to be an idiot.
No
I can't read

R-u-b-b-i-s-h

I'm very fussy, Bud, very very fussy

Truth, I'll read
Good science, I'll read
Good writing, I'll read

...but
Panda's bum and Trash origins....

C'mon...!

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#117045 Feb 12, 2013
Russell wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes
That MUST be a quote mine
Because he goes on to say that evolution, as dastardly as the lack of evidence is, IS TRUE...
No
That just isn't the case
So sadly for you
By the way
Still waiting for your response to heteroplasmy with mtDNA being a mistake on Terrible Origins....
As always
Bluster and hot air
Nil else from SZ
For once you are right. It is not really a quote mine since that fool does believe his nonsense.

Oh, that was what you were waiting for. I am not a mind reader, and I definitely cannot read moron minds.

So what exactly is your point? Are you talking about the article of yours that was debunked several days back? Sorry that ship has sailed. You lost that one. You had your chance to object at the time. You didn't. Just as you did not respond quickly enough to the comet question. I have no desire to repeatedly go over old topic just because you were not paying attention.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#117046 Feb 12, 2013
Russell wrote:
<quoted text>
No
I can't read
R-u-b-b-i-s-h
I'm very fussy, Bud, very very fussy
Truth, I'll read
Good science, I'll read
Good writing, I'll read
...but
Panda's bum and Trash origins....
C'mon...!
Don't lie. We know if it is more involved that a fairy tale it is work above your pay grade.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#117047 Feb 12, 2013
Why is it that Russell and other creatards hate TalkOrigins so much? I suppose any site that leaves them speechless would be an object of hate by them.

So Russell, HTS, Urban Cowflop, can you show that any article in TalkOrigins is wrong? Just one?
LowellGuy

Lowell, MA

#117048 Feb 12, 2013
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>
DNA does not "self organize" every day. It always requires pre-existing DNA. As far as nucleotides forming naturally... What does that prove? I'm asking you for a logical explanation as to how DNA could form on its own. A racemic hodgepodge of nucleotides is not a genetic code. How did the first genetic information capable of supporting self replicating life come into existence? As far as RNA being a DNA precursor... That's raw conjecture. You have only dodged the question.
So, if we don't know for certain how X happened, we don't know anything about how X happened, therefore magic is the only reasonable explanation. You win!

Level 6

Since: Aug 07

North Miami Beach, FL

#117049 Feb 12, 2013
Question: When was the first E-coli? According to the theory of evolution, this species has been around for 20 million years? And we've seen about 50,000 generations over 25 years (as per Lenski) or about 2,000 generations per year? So the species has supposedly been through (20,000,000 * 2,000) some 40,000,000,000 generations and even according to the theory, has remained the same species, so why would anyone think we will see it macro-evolve after only 50,000?

Use the same thinking with humans, or any mammal for that matter. In light of the above, one cannot fathom how there can be any change possible with so few generations available even in the evolutionary timescale!

And the science bears this out; we have never documented a single unambiguous, clear-cut case of a beneficial mutation even when helped along with artificial selection by intelligent intervention where it resulted in some new or nascent limb, tissue, or organ.

This is consistent with the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics and the time arrow of entropy where we see that every last thing in the whole universe is slowing deteriorating towards less complexity. The genomes of all living organisms no exception.
LowellGuy

Lowell, MA

#117050 Feb 12, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
<quoted text>
What would you accept as evidence of design? Specifically the things I mentioned? What criteria fails? What passes?
First, admit that apparent design is not the same actual design. I will not let you off the hook or let you think that you still get to conflate the two. Say the words.
Russell

Adelaide, Australia

#117051 Feb 12, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
Why is it that Russell and other creatards hate TalkOrigins so much? I suppose any site that leaves them speechless would be an object of hate by them.
So Russell, HTS, Urban Cowflop, can you show that any article in TalkOrigins is wrong? Just one?
I just showed that rejection of Gibbons paper on the basis of heteroplasmy is wrong

But you just trundle on...

Marshmallow terminator
LowellGuy

Lowell, MA

#117052 Feb 12, 2013
Godlust wrote:
<quoted text>Lets make this as simple as humanly possible......On one side is creation and the other side is evolution both are unanimously false, without question. Human thought of today is no different than humans 1000 years ago. Stuck in a mind rut, sinking hopelessly into an eternity of unbelieveable brainwashing. Only two wrong choices and one right one........Advanced Aliens engineered the human animal and all life on earth. Proof....about as much proof as God exist.
You're still here, eh?
LowellGuy

Lowell, MA

#117053 Feb 12, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
Question: When was the first E-coli? According to the theory of evolution, this species has been around for 20 million years? And we've seen about 50,000 generations over 25 years (as per Lenski) or about 2,000 generations per year? So the species has supposedly been through (20,000,000 * 2,000) some 40,000,000,000 generations and even according to the theory, has remained the same species, so why would anyone think we will see it macro-evolve after only 50,000?
Use the same thinking with humans, or any mammal for that matter. In light of the above, one cannot fathom how there can be any change possible with so few generations available even in the evolutionary timescale!
And the science bears this out; we have never documented a single unambiguous, clear-cut case of a beneficial mutation even when helped along with artificial selection by intelligent intervention where it resulted in some new or nascent limb, tissue, or organ.
This is consistent with the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics and the time arrow of entropy where we see that every last thing in the whole universe is slowing deteriorating towards less complexity. The genomes of all living organisms no exception.
Remind us...is lactose tolerance beneficial or harmful? Does the ability to eat ice cream in any way harm your ability to survive to reproductive age and successfully procreate, bringing forth viable offspring? Simple question. Remember, you say mutations are only harmful. No such thing as neutral or beneficial. So...does Cherry Garcia negatively affect your testes?

And, even AiG recognizes the folly of the SLoT argument. You aren't as smart as Ken Ham?

Level 6

Since: Aug 07

North Miami Beach, FL

#117054 Feb 12, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
Why is it that Russell and other creatards hate TalkOrigins so much? I suppose any site that leaves them speechless would be an object of hate by them.
So Russell, HTS, Urban Cowflop, can you show that any article in TalkOrigins is wrong? Just one?
Because our time is much better spent on the actual science rather than waste it on the biased, hyped-up, exaggerated version of an already wrong theory by a bunch of crazed voodoo darwin zombees with an axe to grind.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#117055 Feb 12, 2013
Russell wrote:
<quoted text>
I just showed that rejection of Gibbons paper on the basis of heteroplasmy is wrong
But you just trundle on...
Marshmallow terminator
I don't think that you did. I am sure that I would have noticed if you did something like that.

Level 6

Since: Aug 07

North Miami Beach, FL

#117056 Feb 12, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
When people are liars and stupid we call them that.
You for example have continually posted a list of lies that you know has been falsified. That makes you a liar. You can no longer claim to be merely an ignorant idiot.
Please note, we all offer to educate you people many times over. Our offer is always rejected.
And Urb we have offered you papers. Unfortunately you ARE too stupid to understand them. You gave the perfect example. You need to go back to the basics of science. You can't learn evolution if you don't know the basics.
I have forgotten more about evolution that you will ever learn. And none of my 99 reasons have ever been refuted here. You can't just say it's been refuted without ever having refuted it. You have to actually say something. You sure have a lot of comments next to your name but you hardly ever say anything.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#117057 Feb 12, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
<quoted text>
Because our time is much better spent on the actual science rather than waste it on the biased, hyped-up, exaggerated version of an already wrong theory by a bunch of crazed voodoo darwin zombees with an axe to grind.
I can translate this. Urban Cowflop is admitting that he has nothing.

It is nice to hear this Urb. That means you cannot legitimately complain about TalkOrigins being used against you.

Level 6

Since: Aug 07

North Miami Beach, FL

#117058 Feb 12, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
<quoted text>
Remind us...is lactose tolerance beneficial or harmful? Does the ability to eat ice cream in any way harm your ability to survive to reproductive age and successfully procreate, bringing forth viable offspring? Simple question. Remember, you say mutations are only harmful. No such thing as neutral or beneficial. So...does Cherry Garcia negatively affect your testes?
And, even AiG recognizes the folly of the SLoT argument. You aren't as smart as Ken Ham?
Dodge.
Russell

Adelaide, Australia

#117059 Feb 12, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't think that you did. I am sure that I would have noticed if you did something like that.
WRONG

Notice it...you did

Heteroplasmy
Its universal
Not unique to the case in Gibbons paper

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#117060 Feb 12, 2013
Russell wrote:
<quoted text>
WRONG
Notice it...you did
Heteroplasmy
Its universal
Not unique to the case in Gibbons paper
Good, so you admit you have nothing.

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