Should evolution be taught in high school?

Feb 24, 2008 | Posted by: Cash | Full story: www.scientificblogging.com

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."

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Nice day for golf. T time, 4 pm.

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Intimidation by science, you pieces of shit, you strangle real science so you can get the brainwashed students to throw off religions power. You hate sharing power and when you have all the power, you will pronounce yourselves gods.
History proves such.
If Schweitzer had not gotten funding, she might not have a job.
Fear caused the mind to stop seeking answers
Truth is, Schweitzer hasn't even bothered to look for DNA.
2nd page---http://discovermagazine .com/2006/apr/dinosaur-dna#.UR ky8be9Kc0

Mary H. Schweitzer is a tenured professor at North Carolina State University. She is not likely to find herself in line at a soup kitchen over one piece of research.

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It seems the Evo morons can't refute discovery magazine.

Seems there is no need to. All that is refuted are your paranoid notions and misunderstanding of how science actually works.

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Both sides have pressured Schweitzer so much, they have stopped any more science she could offer. Of course she surely got her funding, but since then, she and science have stopped the research.
Intimidation and innuendo serve the wicked, in the names of justice and science.
""Truth is, Schweitzer hasn't even bothered to look for DNA

And yet she has published a landslide of research since this, some of it pertaining and some of it not pertaining to her early research.

http://www4.ncsu.edu/~mhschwei/NCSU_Paleontol...

Looks like getting funding is not an issue for her.

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I'm doing a 2 for 1 offer on irony meters - who is in ? Form an orderly queue

I can't afford them with Psycho around. He blows them out by the dozen.

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The following is the last line on the second page of the article. What true scientist would just quit on the verge of more knowledge, however unlikely?
"""Truth is, Schweitzer hasn't even bothered to look for DNA."""
2nd page---http://discovermagazine .com/2006/apr/dinosaur-dna#.UR ky8be9Kc0
She also hasn't done a C14 test on it. What is she afraid of?

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Oh well I guess there must be, since the lying reality-denying mooks at ICR who had nothing at all to do with the research and haven't even been anywhere near it said so.(shrug) Goddarn evil atheist evilutionist conspiracy.
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Meh irony meter go boom boom.
Her paper said so.

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Post the definition of cosmological constant.
What difference would the cosmological constant make if your gravity/spin story is true? You'd have to completely rewrite the laws of physics.

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She also hasn't done a C14 test on it. What is she afraid of?

Yea! Shame on her. She wants to use her tiny sample to do actual scientifically valuable research on.

How shameful.

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She also hasn't done a C14 test on it. What is she afraid of?
Should a C-14 test be done on absolutely every single thing that is discovered? Why don't you help us out and tell us what a C-14 test needn't be run on, and who's going to pay for all those tests? Thanks in advance.

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The following is the last line on the second page of the article. What true scientist would just quit on the verge of more knowledge, however unlikely?
"""Truth is, Schweitzer hasn't even bothered to look for DNA."""
2nd page---http://discovermagazine .com/2006/apr/dinosaur-dna#.UR ky8be9Kc0
The same could be said of you and your "hypothesis." Why stop trying to figure things out when you could be on the verge of a major discovery? Go do the work and collect your Nobel prize already.

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She also hasn't done a C14 test on it. What is she afraid of?
The tests are only a few hundred bucks. Seems like Creation Scientists™ would have done a couple... Oh yeah, They don't do research.

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Her paper said so.
And there's this from the Smithsonian article:

She’s horrified that some Christians accuse her of hiding the true meaning of her data.“They treat you really bad,” she says.“They twist your words and they manipulate your data.”

Read more: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/...
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Well I could say ...
Russ sells out any objectivity with respect to science due to his religious beliefs
But I wouldn't be that immature, obviously
Well done, Mugwimp
Well done

We'll make a man out of you yet!

Now, all that remains, is for you to become a creationist

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And there's this from the Smithsonian article:
She’s horrified that some Christians accuse her of hiding the true meaning of her data.“They treat you really bad,” she says.“They twist your words and they manipulate your data.”
Read more: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/...

Particularly interesting as she is not an atheist, per se, and believes in some form of god.
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She also hasn't done a C14 test on it. What is she afraid of?
The writer of the piece quoted her as saying she needed funding. As far as all of science, they are afraid of our fully corrupt gov, that wants all power for itself. Right now religion holds quite a bit, still.

Even religious scientists know they can only push so hard, because the gov can take away their tax exempt status.

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Should a C-14 test be done on absolutely every single thing that is discovered? Why don't you help us out and tell us what a C-14 test needn't be run on, and who's going to pay for all those tests? Thanks in advance.
It's just that it might be mildly interesting to have about a dozen separate, independantly done C-14 dating tests referreed by the U.S Supreme Court on some nice stinky fresh Dino meat. Settle this once and for all.

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The writer of the piece quoted her as saying she needed funding. As far as all of science, they are afraid of our fully corrupt gov, that wants all power for itself. Right now religion holds quite a bit, still.
Even religious scientists know they can only push so hard, because the gov can take away their tax exempt status.
Somehow, I don't think money is the problem. It more about a morbid fear of the unknown. Can you imagine what would happen if she sequenced the DNA and C14-dated the dino flesh and got the results we all expect she will? Holy cow, they'd probably have to cancel the Darwin Day Fesitivities.

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Particularly interesting as she is not an atheist, per se, and believes in some form of god.
Actually, the original article from Discovery has her describing heself as 'Evangelical'. She appears to have the rare combination of a high degree of faith in God, and the ability to think logically about the evidence He (if "He" exists) left us.

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It's just that it might be mildly interesting to have about a dozen separate, independantly done C-14 dating tests referreed by the U.S Supreme Court on some nice stinky fresh Dino meat. Settle this once and for all.
"Supreme Court"?!?!

You really cannot be this stupid.

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