Should evolution be taught in high sc...

Should evolution be taught in high school?

There are 179697 comments on the www.scientificblogging.com story from Feb 24, 2008, titled Should evolution be taught in high school?. In it, www.scientificblogging.com reports that:

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."

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Level 6

Since: Aug 07

Miami, FL

#116819 Feb 11, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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To clarify: No "First Couple" as depicted in the Bible.
And PUH-LEEZE don't try to use "Mitochondrial Eve" "Y-Chromosome Adam" as proof. An attempt to use these figures, would only further prove your ignorance.
Sorry, couldn't resist...

"Mitochondrial Eve and biblical Eve are looking good: criticism of young age is premature"

http://creation.com/mitochondrial-eve-and-bib...

Also,

http://creation.com/a-shrinking-date-for-eve

and...

The “Eve” Mitochondrial Consensus Sequence

http://www.icr.org/article/4521/
Russell

Adelaide, Australia

#116820 Feb 11, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
To clarify: No "First Couple" as depicted in the Bible.
And PUH-LEEZE don't try to use "Mitochondrial Eve" "Y-Chromosome Adam" as proof. An attempt to use these figures, would only further prove your ignorance.
Then how about HLA-DRB1 introns 1-4 and HLA haplotype variation?

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#116821 Feb 11, 2013
Russell wrote:
<quoted text>
Why not?
It is not beyond the realm of possibility...
Even phylogenetically..
Which is all nonsense anyway...but evolutionists ..who have no clue...love that stuff
What do you imagine the role of Jesus is now that we know that Adam and Eve were fictitious and thus no 'Original Sin'??

I always thought the dogma was bogus because there are several places in the Bible where God said that sin does not pass down to the children. And what was really confusing was God killing all the children and infants of 'sinful' people.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#116822 Feb 11, 2013
Russell wrote:
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Then how about HLA-DRB1 introns 1-4 and HLA haplotype variation?
Please explain. This ought to be good!
Russell

Adelaide, Australia

#116823 Feb 11, 2013
Dogen wrote:
<quoted text>
There is an adam and eve in the bible (aka biblical).
They were not real people, but they are biblical.
Why were they not real people??

Matt 19:4 Who answering, said to them: Have ye not read, that he who made man from the beginning, Made them male and female?
--Douay-Rheims Bible

Jesus believed they were real

Jesus is referred to as the second Adam

"The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven."
--King James Bible

The second Adam is the Christ..
Why call Him that if the first one is not real

And what did Jesus die for anyway??

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#116824 Feb 11, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, couldn't resist...
"Mitochondrial Eve and biblical Eve are looking good: criticism of young age is premature"
http://creation.com/mitochondrial-eve-and-bib...
Also,
http://creation.com/a-shrinking-date-for-eve
and...
The “Eve” Mitochondrial Consensus Sequence
http://www.icr.org/article/4521/
Sorry guy but using creationist websites as evidence is not allowed. They always lie and misrepresent the truth.
Russell

Adelaide, Australia

#116825 Feb 11, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry guy but using creationist websites as evidence is not allowed. They always lie and misrepresent the truth.
Here we go
CREATION RACIST BIGOTRY

Thanks Mugwimp
I do agree with you that RACIST may not entirely be appropriate

But CREATION RACIST BIGOTRY

That really has a ring to it?

Would you agree, Mugwimp?

This is after all a creation evolution debate, is it not?

Or have I foolishly stumbled onto an evolution love fest?

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#116826 Feb 11, 2013
One way or another wrote:
14c is shot full of holes.
Dr. Roger C. Wiens, a evangelical fundamentalist scientist. Excerpt from his paper below:

"Radiometric dating--the process of determining the age of rocks from the decay of their radioactive elements--has been in widespread use for over half a century.

There are over forty such techniques, each using a different radioactive element or a different way of measuring them. It has become increasingly clear that these radiometric dating techniques agree with each other and as a whole, present a coherent picture in which the Earth was created a very long time ago.

Further evidence comes from the complete agreement between radiometric dates and other dating methods such as counting tree rings or glacier ice core layers.

Many Christians have been led to distrust radiometric dating and are completely unaware of the great number of laboratory measurements that have shown these methods to be consistent. Many are also unaware that Bible-believing Christians are among those actively involved in radiometric dating."
****
"Wiens became a Christian at a young age, and has been a member of Mennonite Brethren, General Conference Baptist, and Conservative Congregational, and Vineyard denominations.

He does not see a conflict between science in its ideal form (the study of God's handiwork) and the Bible, or between miracles on the one hand, and an old Earth on the other."

http://www.asa3.org/ASA/resources/Wiens.html
One way or another

United States

#116827 Feb 11, 2013
Children brainwashed in school believe the gov line, because that's what is demanded of school children.

Schools teach what to think, not how to think or why.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#116828 Feb 11, 2013
Russell wrote:
<quoted text>
Here we go
CREATION RACIST BIGOTRY
Thanks Mugwimp
I do agree with you that RACIST may not entirely be appropriate
But CREATION RACIST BIGOTRY
That really has a ring to it?
Would you agree, Mugwimp?
This is after all a creation evolution debate, is it not?
Or have I foolishly stumbled onto an evolution love fest?
You keep telling us that science is lying and telling untruthful stories and that it's a conspiracy of sorts.

I'm saying to you that creationist sites are not peer reviewed and therefore not truth...they are just sources of junkscience and if anyone believes they are telling truth they are being seriously mislead.

Sorry, but any conscientious follower of science does not accept ANYTHING from a creationist website site posing as a purveyor of science.

It's your own fault...creationists have been caught lying so many times that their 'science' sites are not to be trusted at all.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#116829 Feb 11, 2013
One way or another wrote:
Children brainwashed in school believe the gov line, because that's what is demanded of school children.
Schools teach what to think, not how to think or why.
Bullsh!t

Do you seriously think that religion teaches children how to think??

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#116830 Feb 11, 2013
Russell wrote:
<quoted text>
Why were they not real people??
Matt 19:4 Who answering, said to them: Have ye not read, that he who made man from the beginning, Made them male and female?
--Douay-Rheims Bible
Jesus believed they were real
Jesus is referred to as the second Adam
"The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven."
--King James Bible
The second Adam is the Christ..
Why call Him that if the first one is not real
And what did Jesus die for anyway??
The Bible is its own little microcosm of unreality....it doesn't apply to the real world anymore. We KNOW much of it is wrong

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#116831 Feb 11, 2013
Russell wrote:
<quoted text>
Here we go
CREATION RACIST BIGOTRY
Thanks Mugwimp
I do agree with you that RACIST may not entirely be appropriate
But CREATION RACIST BIGOTRY
That really has a ring to it?
Would you agree, Mugwimp?
This is after all a creation evolution debate, is it not?
Or have I foolishly stumbled onto an evolution love fest?
Racist! where the hell do you get that idea??
LowellGuy

Salem, MA

#116832 Feb 11, 2013
One way or another wrote:
14c is shot full of holes.
Urban Cowboy says it's reliable for dating items less than 50,000 years old. Why don't you explain to him why he's wrong?
LowellGuy

Salem, MA

#116833 Feb 11, 2013
One way or another wrote:
Children brainwashed in school believe the gov line, because that's what is demanded of school children.
Schools teach what to think, not how to think or why.
Right. 2 + 2 can equal whatever you say it equals except four, because that's what the educational industrial complex wants you to think it equals. Everything they tell you is a lie. Don't be fooled?
One way or another

United States

#116834 Feb 11, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>
Bullsh!t
Do you seriously think that religion teaches children how to think??
Yes, both religious and gov run schools, for the purpose of control, because control means money.
One way or another

United States

#116835 Feb 11, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>
Dr. Roger C. Wiens, a evangelical fundamentalist scientist. Excerpt from his paper below:
"Radiometric dating--the process of determining the age of rocks from the decay of their radioactive elements--has been in widespread use for over half a century.
There are over forty such techniques, each using a different radioactive element or a different way of measuring them. It has become increasingly clear that these radiometric dating techniques agree with each other and as a whole, present a coherent picture in which the Earth was created a very long time ago.
Further evidence comes from the complete agreement between radiometric dates and other dating methods such as counting tree rings or glacier ice core layers.
Many Christians have been led to distrust radiometric dating and are completely unaware of the great number of laboratory measurements that have shown these methods to be consistent. Many are also unaware that Bible-believing Christians are among those actively involved in radiometric dating."
****
"Wiens became a Christian at a young age, and has been a member of Mennonite Brethren, General Conference Baptist, and Conservative Congregational, and Vineyard denominations.
He does not see a conflict between science in its ideal form (the study of God's handiwork) and the Bible, or between miracles on the one hand, and an old Earth on the other."
http://www.asa3.org/ASA/resources/Wiens.html
The evidence shows constant lies. You believe the lies, I know better. All the so called corroborating evidence is lies.
One way or another

United States

#116836 Feb 11, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
<quoted text>
Urban Cowboy says it's reliable for dating items less than 50,000 years old. Why don't you explain to him why he's wrong?
Even though we all make mistakes, the cowboy is basically good at heart and respectful. He has his say and I have mine.
One way or another

United States

#116837 Feb 11, 2013
The cowboy used to argue against c14 dating. Why he changed is up to him. As long as he is respectful and doesn't try to force his views on me, he has a right to his opinion.
One way or another

United States

#116838 Feb 11, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>
Bullsh!t
Do you seriously think that religion teaches children how to think??
Correction to my original answer. NO, religion does not teach how to think and neither do gov schools. They teach what brings them control and by such, money.

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