Should evolution be taught in high sc...

Should evolution be taught in high school?

There are 179697 comments on the www.scientificblogging.com story from Feb 24, 2008, titled Should evolution be taught in high school?. In it, www.scientificblogging.com reports that:

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."

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#116779 Feb 11, 2013
One way or another wrote:
Both sides have pressured Schweitzer so much, they have stopped any more science she could offer. Of course she surely got her funding, but since then, she and science have stopped the research.
Intimidation and innuendo serve the wicked, in the names of justice and science.
""Truth is, Schweitzer hasn't even bothered to look for DNA

And yet she has published a landslide of research since this, some of it pertaining and some of it not pertaining to her early research.

http://www4.ncsu.edu/~mhschwei/NCSU_Paleontol...

Looks like getting funding is not an issue for her.

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#116780 Feb 11, 2013
Mugwump wrote:
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I'm doing a 2 for 1 offer on irony meters - who is in ? Form an orderly queue

I can't afford them with Psycho around. He blows them out by the dozen.
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#116781 Feb 11, 2013
One way or another wrote:
The following is the last line on the second page of the article. What true scientist would just quit on the verge of more knowledge, however unlikely?
"""Truth is, Schweitzer hasn't even bothered to look for DNA."""
2nd page---http://discovermagazine .com/2006/apr/dinosaur-dna#.UR ky8be9Kc0
She also hasn't done a C14 test on it. What is she afraid of?
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#116782 Feb 11, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Oh well I guess there must be, since the lying reality-denying mooks at ICR who had nothing at all to do with the research and haven't even been anywhere near it said so.(shrug) Goddarn evil atheist evilutionist conspiracy.
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Meh irony meter go boom boom.
Her paper said so.

“What, me worry?”

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#116783 Feb 11, 2013
One way or another wrote:
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Post the definition of cosmological constant.
What difference would the cosmological constant make if your gravity/spin story is true? You'd have to completely rewrite the laws of physics.

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#116784 Feb 11, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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She also hasn't done a C14 test on it. What is she afraid of?

Yea! Shame on her. She wants to use her tiny sample to do actual scientifically valuable research on.

How shameful.

“What, me worry?”

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#116785 Feb 11, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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She also hasn't done a C14 test on it. What is she afraid of?
Should a C-14 test be done on absolutely every single thing that is discovered? Why don't you help us out and tell us what a C-14 test needn't be run on, and who's going to pay for all those tests? Thanks in advance.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

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#116786 Feb 11, 2013
One way or another wrote:
The following is the last line on the second page of the article. What true scientist would just quit on the verge of more knowledge, however unlikely?
"""Truth is, Schweitzer hasn't even bothered to look for DNA."""
2nd page---http://discovermagazine .com/2006/apr/dinosaur-dna#.UR ky8be9Kc0
The same could be said of you and your "hypothesis." Why stop trying to figure things out when you could be on the verge of a major discovery? Go do the work and collect your Nobel prize already.

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#116787 Feb 11, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
She also hasn't done a C14 test on it. What is she afraid of?
The tests are only a few hundred bucks. Seems like Creation Scientists™ would have done a couple... Oh yeah, They don't do research.

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#116788 Feb 11, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
Her paper said so.
And there's this from the Smithsonian article:

She’s horrified that some Christians accuse her of hiding the true meaning of her data.“They treat you really bad,” she says.“They twist your words and they manipulate your data.”

Read more: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/...
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#116789 Feb 11, 2013
Mugwump wrote:
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Well I could say ...
Russ sells out any objectivity with respect to science due to his religious beliefs
But I wouldn't be that immature, obviously
Well done, Mugwimp
Well done

We'll make a man out of you yet!

Now, all that remains, is for you to become a creationist

THAT'LL put hairs on your chest

Because, you see

Only real men are creationists

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#116790 Feb 11, 2013
MADRONE wrote:
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And there's this from the Smithsonian article:
She’s horrified that some Christians accuse her of hiding the true meaning of her data.“They treat you really bad,” she says.“They twist your words and they manipulate your data.”
Read more: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/...

Particularly interesting as she is not an atheist, per se, and believes in some form of god.
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#116791 Feb 11, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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She also hasn't done a C14 test on it. What is she afraid of?
The writer of the piece quoted her as saying she needed funding. As far as all of science, they are afraid of our fully corrupt gov, that wants all power for itself. Right now religion holds quite a bit, still.

Even religious scientists know they can only push so hard, because the gov can take away their tax exempt status.
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#116792 Feb 11, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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Should a C-14 test be done on absolutely every single thing that is discovered? Why don't you help us out and tell us what a C-14 test needn't be run on, and who's going to pay for all those tests? Thanks in advance.
It's just that it might be mildly interesting to have about a dozen separate, independantly done C-14 dating tests referreed by the U.S Supreme Court on some nice stinky fresh Dino meat. Settle this once and for all.
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#116793 Feb 11, 2013
One way or another wrote:
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The writer of the piece quoted her as saying she needed funding. As far as all of science, they are afraid of our fully corrupt gov, that wants all power for itself. Right now religion holds quite a bit, still.
Even religious scientists know they can only push so hard, because the gov can take away their tax exempt status.
Somehow, I don't think money is the problem. It more about a morbid fear of the unknown. Can you imagine what would happen if she sequenced the DNA and C14-dated the dino flesh and got the results we all expect she will? Holy cow, they'd probably have to cancel the Darwin Day Fesitivities.

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#116794 Feb 11, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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Particularly interesting as she is not an atheist, per se, and believes in some form of god.
Actually, the original article from Discovery has her describing heself as 'Evangelical'. She appears to have the rare combination of a high degree of faith in God, and the ability to think logically about the evidence He (if "He" exists) left us.

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#116795 Feb 11, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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It's just that it might be mildly interesting to have about a dozen separate, independantly done C-14 dating tests referreed by the U.S Supreme Court on some nice stinky fresh Dino meat. Settle this once and for all.
"Supreme Court"?!?!

You really cannot be this stupid.

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#116796 Feb 11, 2013
One way or another wrote:
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The writer of the piece quoted her as saying she needed funding. As far as all of science, they are afraid of our fully corrupt gov, that wants all power for itself. Right now religion holds quite a bit, still.
Even religious scientists know they can only push so hard, because the gov can take away their tax exempt status.

Paranoia.

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#116797 Feb 11, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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It's just that it might be mildly interesting to have about a dozen separate, independantly done C-14 dating tests referreed by the U.S Supreme Court on some nice stinky fresh Dino meat. Settle this once and for all.

It would not settle anything. That is the point. Creationists always find an excuse. The tests would come back greater than 60k years and that would be proof that the earth is only 65k years old! Or there would be cover-ups and conspiracies and bias, OH MY!

You know all the labs are in cahoots with da evolootionists!

LOL.

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#116798 Feb 11, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Somehow, I don't think money is the problem. It more about a morbid fear of the unknown.

Money isn't the issue. Subjecting a priceless artifact to a useless and destructive test is.
Urban Cowboy wrote:
<quoted text> Can you imagine what would happen if she sequenced the DNA and C14-dated the dino flesh and got the results we all expect she will? Holy cow, they'd probably have to cancel the Darwin Day Fesitivities.

They would have to throw away nearly every science text in the world and would have nothing to replace them with. Mary would win the Nobel prize.

But that isn't going to happen.

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